Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

British state broadcaster aired a report stating that Ukrainian army shot unarmed civilians today.
They also broadcast pictures from a pro Kiev Junta terrorist training camp as the well armed and funded terrorists prepared to travel to Mariupol today.

Kiev chooses Victory day over the fascists to send the tanks against the people. I'm sure the known Nazi Parubiy and the others are well pleased.

MSM is starting to see these fascists for what they are

wonder what all those stupid western politicians (including idiot Sikorski) gonna say to their voters for all this support that was given to Nazis who are now start murdering civilians

beside..where is Sikorski now?don't see him much in Polish tv talking about Ukraine anymore.

Some one needs to be held accountable these guys are way more corrupt then Viktor Yanukovych, and Viktor Yanukovych was corrupt enough to lead to Maidan protest and overthrowing of elected government.

perhaps after the new elections we can see these guy's locked up behind some bars
and see right sector labeled what they truly are, a terrorist organization.

Pro-Russians attacked at Mariupol by Ukrainian forces
government announced 20 people had been killed whereas Human Rights Watch confirmed that at least 5 people had been killed and 60 wounded, 40 of them seriously.
Ukrainian civilians were caught in the deadly crossfire and this is another major escalation of events in the Donetsk region.

news.vice.com/article/in-photos-bloody-clashes-overshadow-victory-day-in-eastern-ukraine

Protesters say Ukrainian army attacked the police force in Mariupol killing civilians in the crossfire
youtube.com/watch?v=dlSzewPMhD4

Terrorists,and drug addicts and alcoholics paid by Putin to create chaos..in left corner we clearly see GRU and Specnaz agents dressed as middle age women

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Looks like that referendum will be as much of a joke as the world expects
kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/100000-yes-ballots-for-referendum-intercepted-2-347222.html
But no doubt our resident Kremlin fanboys will insist the result is valid, just as they lie about the democratically elected government being a junta, about the acting president getting one percent in a presidential election he didn't run in, about the interior minister founding a Nazi party, about police reacting to events before they happen, etc, etc.

yeah, the friends and liberators have a long tradition in making people exceptionally happy ;-) (e.g. free vacations in gulags or merciful murdering of Polish officers in Katyn etc.)

who do you mean by those friends?you actually know what you talking about?or posting garbage like Avakov
what katyn got to do with current situation?why not bringing ivan the terrible to support your stupid and weak arguments?

always. Unfortunitely for you, you're unable to understand it but.......I'm not surprised, as you're either a Pole with a strong pro Soviet, family tradition, daddy was a proud PZPR party member and was most likely selling his Polish neighbors to his superiors to secure his benefits or you're one of the Russians, who still believe that Russia should go back to what it once used to be (it is still, one way or another....since Putin was a very successful member of the KGB), a great Soviet Union, with its humanitarian facilities, spread all over the country (mostly in Siberia).


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

This is who is in charge of your country, a Soviet scumbag, just like the rest of them before him.

there is a possibility this is just a forged claim by Ukrainian government to discredit the referendum today.
In my opinion let the referendum run, accept the results of it(to end the violence) then hold an official internationaly recongized one in 1 year time like Scotland to get an official result.

oh and if Ukraine continues to send in the army and the referendum in Donbass is a success it would be considered an invasion without an official declaration of war. which is a no no. (Russia can use this to move in the troops they have on the border to Donbass)

Nazis against democracy
youtube.com/watch?v=mtx-JkMwKWU

It's incredible that burning people alive is tolerated by the Junta but holding a referendum no matter how flawed and wrong headed is deemed illegal.

In my opinion I don't find that the referendum would be 100% legitimate but it seems it would be adequate. I think accepting the referendum under the condition that another one would be held again (maybe a year or 2 from now or until a full presidential term is finished) when the situation cools down is the best outcome if the referendum is a success. you know, so it can be done in a more responsible way. I personally rather see Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Belarus all in a Union, perhaps an Eurasian Union then have these countries fragment apart. I just really don't like the current situation in Kiev, they will need to be some apologies, some people will need to be imprisoned, right sector will need to be banned, lots of things to consider here. I feel that people who idolize Bandera are being very disrespectful to Polish people, I would rather have no border between these countries, but then again there are still many things to consider before that happens too.

Ha... US/UK will start World War if there will be such perspective like united Slavs, acting together IN THEIR OWN INTERESTS! Too heavy weight on a geopolitical scale. Especially if China will tend to cooperate, even partially.

Nazis Barney? Would they happen to belong to the political party which you claim was set up by the current Ukrainian Interior minister, Arsen Avakov? You claim that he set up the "Ukrainian Nazi party" but the man himself reckons that he is and always has been a member of the "All-Ukrainian Union "Batkivshchyna" ("The Fatherland") party. Are you claiming that Fatherland is the Ukrainian Nazi party?


No matter how many times you call the government which was lawfully appointed by the same parliament which was legally elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012 a "junta", Barney, it will not become one. Your lies do not make things true. Just as you can lie as many times as you want that the acting president Oleksandr Turchynov got 1% in the 2010 presidential election: no matter how many times you tell that lie he won't have stood in the 2010 presidential election and he won't have got 1% of the vote. And just as you can lie as many times as you want about Neo-nazis being in control of the Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education ministries: the simple truth will remain that they are not.


Care to produce some quotes to support that claim Barney? Or is it just another of your lies? Sorry, but we already know it is just another of your lies: the Interior minister (the same one who you lie about by claiming that he set up the "Ukrainian Nazi party") announced the day after the deaths in Odessa that the events were entirely unacceptable and that the police's behaviour had been an "outrage". You, however, simply lied about his reaction: you claimed that the police special unit which was sent to Odessa after the deaths as a response to the violence got there before the deaths. Why do you tell so many lies here Barney?

That will never happen, the known Nazi Parubiy has incorporated much of the Nazis in right sector into the national guard. The Junta sent tanks against the people on victory day so the chance of them apologising is zero.

It really is quite touching the way that you think you can alter reality simply through repeatedly lying about it. Do you really think that all you need to do is keep repeating the Kremlin line and somehow it will magically become true? Seriously?

Sorry Barney but the current Ukrainian government was lawfully appointed by the same parliament which was legally elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012, none of your lies will change that.


Really Barney? Perhaps you could explain how somebody who is the secretary of an advisory state body to the president of Ukraine is able to control the national guard?

Sorry Barney but the reality is that the National Guard of Ukraine is under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs. You know about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, don't you Barney: it is the ministry led by one of the many men you have lied about: Arsen Avakov. You remember him Barney, you claimed that he founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party, didn't you. Are you now claiming that he takes orders from the secretary of an advisory body?

And isn't the reality that Parubiy is actually from the Fatherland party? Or are you now claiming that Yulia Tymoshenko is a Nazi party leader too? She leads that party, do you want to say that she's a Nazi? You do seem to be seeing Nazis everywhere, don't you? Or at least you seem to be lying about them being everywhere.

I wonder if you'll ever apologise for your lie about Neo-nazis being in control of the Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education ministries. Will you?

also, a lot of foreign mercenaries fights for the new pro-Nazi regime


exactly. That is why were activated (by EU/NATO) some Polish politicians during maiden. To secure involvement of Poland. Then, those USA troops on Polish soil..

and now we have even mercenaries from Poland killing Russians in Ukraine. Think about development of situation and how is that sinister game by EU and NATO. Its anglo-saxon and germanic plot, among other targets, against Poland, too.

Can you please take your anti-Polish lies elsewhere please. Thank you in advance.


a) The current Ukrainian government was lawfully appointed by the same parliament which was legally elected in the Ukrainian parliamentary elections of 2012, none of the lies from your Kremlin fanboys will change that simple fact.

b) It is not "pro-Nazi".

The sad thing is that while the lies of Barney, Crow and the rest of the Putinjunge/Putinjugendfuhrer here are simply amusing (who doesn't like laughing at liars getting crosser and crosser as more and more of their lies are pointed out), in Ukraine those same lies are doing very real and very serious damage: they are literally ripping communities apart. Here's a example from today's Guardian (my emphasis):


theguardian.com/world/2014/may/11/eastern-ukraine-referendum-donetsk-luhansk

This is the effect that the lies from the Putin-lovers here tell and support have in the real world. It's a real pity that none of them will ever come to this part of the world and see the harm that their lies have; one would ask if coming here and seeing that harm would make them feel shame, but they clearly have no shame at all.

you mean, the same 'sinister game', as the Soviets/Russians always play too?

Some PFers (not only Crow) are so easily excusing one scumbag (Putin) and at the same time, are condemning another scumbag (Obama), for exactly the same kind or a very similar behavior. while in reality, both of them are globalist f/cks and the (almost) only difference between them, is their geographic location, that's all.

Long live free Ukraine !!!

As always, sound good... But free from what? Which sort of freedom is prescribed for Ukraine?

the local electoral commission at a press conference and announced a turnout of 73 percent, with an overwhelming 97.5 percent voting in favor of self-rule for the Donetsk People's Republic.

news.vice.com/article/amid-mortar-and-gunfire-kiev-denounces-ukraine-separatist-vote
maybe things can start to get better now, there destiny is in their own hands now. When Ukraine has new elections I hope for the best that they get a tolerant, wise and honest person and not another corrupt oligarch again

and what happened with- Long live free Yugoslavia !!! What`s the difference?

You better realize that EU and NATO suggests same destine for Ukraine, as they suggested for Yugoslavia.

I'm happy for the people of eastern Ukraine, they finally get to leave those Banderite fascists behind, sadly Volyn and Galicia are still occupied and full of Banderites. I'd actually prefer if those territories were shared by Poland and Ukraine.

no crime can be compared with those comitted by Bandera thugs.


long live free from fascism Crimea and Donetsk People's Republic!!

As a Pole myself, I say long live Ukraine!
Who killed more Poles? Russians or Ukrainians? Russians!
You say that they sympathise with Bandera... Its a small percentage of the people, whereas in Russia rhey still cults of Stalin and Lenin!!

It isn't about what did or didn't happen 70 years ago. It's about people in Ukraine not wanting their country to be invaded by Russia.

What a strange view you have of our part of the world. Perhaps you should come here and have a look for yourself? In the meantime, you might want to try learning which news sources are more reliable. For example, here the Kyiv Post nails the referendum: kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/mark-rachkevych-why-the-poll-on-self-rule-was-a-farce-347475.html


Why not read the rest? You might learn something.

Exactly.

At least one polling station had a 103% turnout! despite most of the voters staying at home.

Voting station were scarce for example with Mariupol, so that meant more people have to vote somewhere else. And site that source I wan't to read it. Again I'm not saying it was 100% legitimate but it's adequate so I will accept the results temporally to let the situation cool down and not escalate things to a full on war between two countries, Donbass rep and Ukraine. Thank you.

There is no such country as the Donbass republic.


Why am I not surprised to learn that you do not know that Poland and Ukraine are in the same part of the world. Yet again your ignorance shines through.