Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

That's the common accepted version in Western major medias.
I'm not sure Russia benefited a lot of all the troubles. Their diplomatic (and maybe soon economic) relations suffered a lot from that mess. The EU showed how weak and ununited it is. Ukraine, well, disaster, on every aspect. The only country who's fine is the US. And soon we will have a pro-US/EU government in Kiev (I mean after the elections) and i'm afraid Ukraine will turn into another Greece. But much worse.


A complete farce to you. Opinions differ, again. As I said, there's propaganda on both sides, how can YOU know who is right and who is wrong? Let's be honest.

The coup in Kiev was also illegal, for many people, but you seem to be fine with it.


38 years ago, so it doesn't count? You asked for annexations since 1946.
During that same Six-Day War, Israel also annexed East-Jerusalem.
I was also thinking of Israeli settlements. Frowned upon by the UN, but generally supported by the US.
And talking about the US, do you want a list of American interactions in foreign countries? I would spend the night making that list. No annexation here, but it makes no difference, since those countries (there are many in Central and South America) were forced to become Uncle Sam's puppets.


Comoros and the UN would disagree with that statement.


I'm just not sure about the legal value of such a document.
Anyway, most world powers don't really care about laws. Again, not excusing, just observing.


It's the same news, same source, in three different medias. The AlJazeera article was written by...a Ukrainian journalist obviously. Hmm. The Washington Post's article is refering directly to the Forbes' article you first gave me. The Bloomberg's article was written by a journalist who obviously holds the same political views ('free-market perspective') as Mr Paul Roderick Gregory from Forbes.

I'm not sure you understand my point. I'm not pro-Putin. I just don't wanna buy any propaganda.
As Crow said, we (Western world) started playing that geopolitical game. How can we dare give others' lessons now for doing what we do?
Obama criticized Russia (well, Putin) for violating international law. Seriously?

Probably many times more trustworthy that pro-Russia publications.


I'm pretty sure they're prepared to ride that out; having an eye on bigger prizes.


True, though hopefully this is a wake-up call that the threat from neigbouring interests is as real now as it was during the Cold War. Perhaps it will help to unite us.

It's ok Jon you can relax, everyone here knows your a Russophobe.

Or perhaps someone who remembers the Cold War well and lives in a country invaded many times by Russia. Someone who sees daily the monuments to people deported to near-certain death in Siberia, both by Russia pre-1918 and by the Soviet Union.

In Poland, we often say that we like Russians but dislike their leaders and their governments. To be a Russophile in the sense of not deeply distrusting any Russian government would be far stranger in Poland than to be Russophobic.

why you keep up bringing up history and soviet crimes to assess Ukraine situation?are those people in East Ukraine responsible for Stalins crimes?
you don't judge today's Germans by crimes committed in the past,do you?
or you just lack arguments so bringing **** from the past

Is the Russian government that different from the Soviet one?


Do the Germans still glorify their worst regime?

is it not?is it all you got its some demagogy?


does Putin glorify Stalins crimes?
tho Banderist do glorify murderers

No, it isn't.


Plenty of support for Stalin there and Putain himself has talked openly about expansionism. Some of his more prominent political allies have gone much further. But that doesn't fit your argument, does it.


So what.

lol..and that's your evidence of Putin glorifying Stalins crimes.


i think ,no point talking to you

Who said that Putain did?

Mind you, he appears in ceremonies at the Kremlin Necropolis in Krasny Arbat where Stalin's still buried and the monument to him still stands without ex-KGB Comrade Putain removing either.


Because you have nothing to really say.

There is no reason to demonize one side or the other.
Here is a good quote for ya:

"Some want to be part of Russia, others want to be part of Ukraine, others want to be independent. But everyone is against the Kiev authorities, absolutely," Vladimir Sadovoy, the head of the factory's workers' union in Donetsk, told the newspaper."

Let the destruction continue, the reactionary ideologues and single issue hobbyists cheering the pending impoverishment of the Ukrainian people don't care, the self deluded "elite" can eat.

They always do. In whatever country.

I remember the Thatcherite assault on the British people, I suppose those people deserved to have their communities torn apart. It's the same in Ukraine except the EU and US over reached. This civil war is an EU foreign policy disaster.

It's a disaster all round, and the Ukrainian people getting hurt and not for the first time. Negligence from the EU, complacency from the US, aggression from Russia and incompetence from Kiev.

And the reality for people in Crimea now ruled by the regime you support:


kyivpost.com/content/business/crimeans-get-russian-price-shock-348955.html
But no doubt Barney will insist that all of the above is the fault of the EU.

Anyway Barney, now you're posting here again, any chance you can address the long and ever growing list of lies you've been caught telling here?

there is something wrong with you, Harry.

f stop, instead of trying to insult me, why not address the lies your fellow Kremlin supporter has been caught telling?

no, because there is something wrong with you.
OCD?

F stop, it's not me who is obsessively insulting people, it's not me who is obsessively lying about events in Ukraine: that is you and your fellow Kremlin supporters, respectively.

sure you do, you just don't notice it because you have your head in the sand

I think most of the normal people don't even post on these subjects anymore. Few that do, and, god forbid have a different opinion then yours, you unremittingly hound. There are actually a few of you, although I think you are the worst, that put a pair of blinders on and obsessively search the webs for facts supporting only their position.

I don't have this overwhelming need to correct everyone that I think is wrong, or to have them admit that I'm right. Life is too short and too sweet for this kind of colossal waste of time.

If that were true, you'd have no problem quoting from posts in which I tell lies and insult people. Are you going to do that or has your latest lie just been exposed?


And when there are no fact to support what I think, I change my position: because I must have been wrong. Or when I find facts which contradict what I thought, I re-evaluate my position.

You might want to try those things, but you won't ever actually try them: you know the truth and you don't need to bother with facts to support your position, do you?

This is what you don't seem to get, Harry; there are good people and "murderous scum" on both sides of the fence.

Care to quote me saying that there are not? Oops, yet again reality doesn't fit what you want it to be, feel free to again try to insult me, or perhaps you'd like to tell me that you know what I think better than I do myself?

Nobody comes here to convince you of anything, Harry. I have no intention of spending any time digging up the "facts" for you. At best, we come here to express our opinions, seeking out like-minded people. At worst, there is .. you.

What an interesting way of saying that you are very simply unable to produce anything to support much of what you say here.


Just as I predicted: reality doesn't fit what you want it to be, so you react by trying to insult me, yet again.

Harry, the fact that you are constantly warned by mods for insulting people is enough to disprove that

So, Szalawa, for the second time of asking, could you please be so kind as to quote from the posts in which I lie about events in Ukraine or insult people?