Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, however eccentric it may be. Nevertheless, it seems a very clear phrase which sums up the situation well and mirrors other analyses of life under a near-dictatorship with a totalitarian past.

On the whole, a very well-thought and perceptive. out analysis by a respected expert in a periodical known for its quality

But hey, call it 'bollox' if you want. You, at least, live in a free country.

So you are simply going to take the word of a bunch of proven liars as to what she is saying? You really think that she was stupid enough to claim that a Ukrainian air force jet "hid behind" a passenger plane which was flying 8km above the earth?! Do you really think that other people are as utterly moronic as you and your nazi friends in the terrorist organisations?! ROFL!


Of course he is. The problem comes when he dresses up his opinions as facts and the reality is the exact reverse of his facts, for example his never-ending comments about nazis controlling the Ukrainian government, etc.

beside this video was uploaded a month ago,what a coincidence with exactly what russian MOD claim

Yes and so is Ioffe and those she quotes.

To answer Flagless' question; I don't read as much as I used to but I can still recognise pretentious nonsense when I see it.

Can you recognise lies when you see them? When you see the words "Neo-Nazis are in Control of Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education the right sector and justice parties control these ministries", do you recognise the lies there? No? Oh well, the rest of us do.

Hard to know the point of that. It comes across as trying to wriggle out of something.


An interesting parallel to the point that the Italian analyst made about Russian media; being inured to lies makes them easier to accept.

not a first time he posts links to videos all in Russian, naturally expecting people to understand them... Poland has had a few overly russophilic nutters, albeit a tiny minority. People like that, in general terms, (any-nation-overly-philic ones) are in many cases more hysterical than many nationalists of the nation they so admire... but who knows what goes through greggy's head

apparently there are now Israeli soldiers fighting for Kiev forces in Ukraine

Wriggle out of what?

Flaglesspole posted some waffle that impressed you that's all, no big story, no conspiracy, that is not perspicacious of you.

some Ukrainian army soldiers reported having been trained by Bulgarian and Israeli military advisors at the army training center near Kiev... but nice try distorting it into 'Israeli fighting', you forgot to mention the Polish snipers shooting at the crucified babies who then by means CIA sponsored prototype teleportation devices wedged in their tiny anuses appear (poof) right in front of high altitude airborne airliners thus scaring beejesus of the pilots and subsequently causing the plane to crash


since this article seems to be causing such a commotion I'm gonna repost the link to it, well worth a read:

newrepublic.com/node/118782

All the lies you have been polluting this place with. For example:
you said that the Ukrainian Interior Minister, Arsen Avakov, founded the Ukrainian Nazi Party;
you said that the current acting president of Ukraine stood in the 2010 presidential elections and got 1% of the vote;
you said that special police units were sent to Odessa in response to the deaths there before the deaths happened;
you said that the secretary of an advisory state body to the president of Ukraine is able to control the composition of the National Guard of Ukraine;

you said that the secretary of an advisory state body to the president of Ukraine is in direct control of the security services, which are actually under the control of the Interior Minister; and

you said that Neo-nazis are in control of the Armed Forces, National Security, Economy, Justice and Education ministries.

Are you still trying to wriggle out of those lies Barney?


Have you been reading the script for next week's Russia Today evening news?!

It is worth a read but still waffle of the highest order.

For example


A sentence that would have any man reaching for the red pen.......

Don't be disheartened there will be some decent well researched reports and articles published that support whatever it is you are trying to say, in the meantime you will have to learn patience.

Makes perfect sense, and the sentence's inclusion suggests that a man (or woman - strange that you say man) didn't reach for a red pen.

Really, you think that makes sense? It's pseudo bollox which speaks volumes about the subs.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how much it comes across as wriggling.

Don't worry, Barney, I will be very very patient in waiting for you to explain all the lies which you have told here, but I will certainly keep reminding you (and everybody) about the lies which you have so often been caught telling here.

In other news, the OSCE are less than impressed about the terrorists hacking apart the wreckage and are wondering what the terrorists are trying to hide:


usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/22/ukraine-mh17-bodies-russia/12981325

makes perfect sense to though I'm not the one struggling with metaphors here, or do you reckon Gleb Pavlovsky should be a certified sailor to say what he does in this bit from the same article:

After Putin's ascent, media became the flexible element that could be readjusted for any twist or turn of the political rudder. "Today, it's the opposite," says Gleb Pavlovsky, a political consultant who helped Putin win his first election and was a Kremlin advisor for years afterwards. "It's almost impossible to turn the rudder of the picture that's formed on television because it would mean losing the audience they formed in this year" of sword-brandishing and imperialistic conquest.

newrepublic.com/node/118782

That's very kind, my opinion is that there is no point posting random waffle from the internet** I don't see that opinion as being in the slightest bit slippery.

**see the post above

What about posting utterly blatant lies about the Ukrainian government and its members, is there any point in posting those here? If not, why do you continue to do it.


Which is not something you can say about your lies about the Ukrainian government and its members.

Some kind of Slavic coordinating body should be form. That could prevent foreign meddling in affairs of Slavic countries, what is on the scene in Ukraine. It could also prevent attempts for domination of some Slavic countries over the others and, some Slavs over the other Slavs, what is also on the scene in Ukraine.

Getting rusty? Slav/Slavic mentioned only 5 times in 3 sentences... you can do better than that.. in fact you could dispense with most the words and just type slav slave saliva... I'm pretty sure it actually would make more sense than stuff you come up with at the moment.

an interesting perspective on the possible economic ramifications of the current Ukrainian crisis:

If Putin doesn't move to end the war in Ukraine in the wake of last week's downing of a Malaysia Air (MAS) jet in rebel-held territory, he risks becoming an international outcast like Belarus's Aleksandr Lukashenko, whom the U.S. famously labeled Europe's last dictator, one Russian billionaire said on condition of anonymity. What's happening is bad for business and bad for Russia, he said.

"The economic and business elite is just in horror," said Igor Bunin, who heads the Center for Political Technology in Moscow. Nobody will speak out because of the implicit threat of retribution, Bunin said by phone yesterday. "Any sign of rebellion and they'll be brought to their knees."

Putin, Putin, Putin. Some people only want to talk about Putin...
Here, some people are ticked off that the knowledge about the threat was not shared among the airline companies.

What are you on about, what wasn't shared? Haven't they been watching news? The ongoing military conflict with multiple reports of fighter jets shot down somehow kept secret from them? Or were they just generally allergic to information?


I'd say they might be feeling compelled to mention him here and there seeing as he is the central figure and drive behind a certain kind of nasty belligerent nationalistic ideology, the likes of which most of us had hoped would never manage to grasp hearts and minds of so many in one large state, not in our time has almost seemed given... but it's not, therefor, I'd say, nothing wrong with talking about him and his politics... of course we could take a detour as prescribed in chapter one of "Propaganda and Disinformation for Dummies" and talk for a bit about why for some these days headline news become an impenetrable secret.

some people on here are jealous and like to gossip, its their fascination in a way ;D

Its not nice of today`s Ukrainian leadership to act against other Slavs with support of hostile non-Slavs. That makes today`s Ukrainian leadership anti-Slavic. Ukraine should progress but, for sure, don`t deserve leadership which would endanger Slavs of Ukraine.

NATO and EU gave ultimatum to Serbia to apply sanctions to Russia over Ukraine, while official Serbia insist on neutrality.

Can you imagine? Sanctions to sovereign country for not sanctioning other country, because it suits to EU/NATO leading powers.

"Serbia given ultimatum over Russia sanctions"



Serbia should back Ukraine's integrity - U.S. ambassador

little American US Ambassador to Serbia Michael Kirby patronize gigantic Serbian PM Aleksandar Vuèić


tell me, to which government you pay taxes?

obviously, you didn't read the document. I'm nor surprised.

he just spawn this thread with BS he doesn't even read to confuse and whitewash horrible crimes hes beloved banderist junta is commiting ,its obvious

Is that how you measure the worth of a person? Your analysis of the world is even more simplistic than I imagined.

I did. That man is clearly talking utter bollocks. Your article says:


And that is utter bollocks


bbc.com/news/world-europe-28299334
And from a month previous to that report just the title of this article makes it clear:


theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/14/ukraine-conflict-bloodiest-day-missiles-bring-down-military-jet

Did you really think that nobody would read the article and call out your bullsh!t for what it is?


Who was it who posted an article here which said that Ukrainian airspace was open and told us that it said Ukrainian airspace was closed? Yep, it was you, gregy.


Grow up, child.

add word `morally` before words `little` and `gigantic`. Then you would understand what`s the point