Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

Poles themselves aren`t free but under rule of EU/NATO leading powers. New Commonwealth, born from within Visegrad group, is only solution.

Poles aren't free now? Come here any time you want to be laughed at (and although Poles are generally very polite, especially to the disadvantaged, you'll be laughed to in your face). If you want to send your interlocutor into hysterics, tell them Poland would be better off in a Russian-led bloc. Just please don't tell them that anybody other than Putin is responsible for the deaths of the passengers of MH-17: that might cause them to die laughing, and then you'd be guilty of killing your fellow Slavs and we'd have to hunt you down while shouting '$lavia' and 'Sarmatia'....

Your right, I was being inappropriate. But I am still sorry for those people who had to leave their homes and seek safety in Russia.

If they do laugh, then they are probably not as 'free' as you pretend they are. If their homepage is onet.pl (like me), and if they buy all the anti-Russian propaganda that is found there, then they are not free to make their own opinion, unless they have time to make some more research. Fortunately, I sometimes read the comments under Onet's articles, and I feel relieved to see that many Poles are smart enough to think for themselves ;)

In these days of tension (not just in Ukraine), we need diplomacy, communication, compromises. When one side (our side) keeps adding fuel to the fire, what should we expect in return?

I suspect some Polish leaders and journalists are trying to play off people's fears by making things look terrible in order to...maybe tighten the relations with the US/NATO, or the West in general.

Russia is not a threat to Poland, not anymore. Poland is of no geopolitical interest for Russia. It has no natural resources (and Russia has so many already anyway). There is no significant Russian minority to 'defend'. And Poland is not a threat to Russia.

I vaguely remember there was this thread titled "Saliva and other chronic rants by Crow"... has it reached its maximum capacity...?

I'm afraid Mr Crow is indefatigable. I wonder if he has another topic of conversation. I feel for his carers.

not a problem as long as his droppings get scooped up and disposed of

Those who don`t have anything (if anybody) wise to say about politics, don`t need to talk about it.

As for carers. There is old rule- don`t talk about politics at work/business.

So you'll be taking a break for a while. Good.

To tell you frankly, i don`t have much time these days. So, yes, people like you can get more space.

good read:

The enormity of the destruction of flight MH17 should have led Mr Putin to draw back from his policy of fomenting war in eastern Ukraine. Yet he has persevered, for two reasons.

I am baffled how otherwise intelligent people still find a way to blame the situation in Ukraine on one man. In the western media, I chuck it to the lack of knowledge of history and society, and a political agenda. Here, I think it's simply an obsession or maybe lack of imagination.

keep reading:

Russia's president is implicated in their crime twice over. First, it looks as if the missile was supplied by Russia, its crew was trained by Russia, and after the strike the launcher was spirited back to Russia. Second, Mr Putin is implicated in a broader sense because this is his war. The linchpins of the self-styled Donetsk People's Republic are not Ukrainian separatists but Russian citizens who are, or were, members of the intelligence services. Their former colleague, Mr Putin, has paid for the war and armed them with tanks, personnel carriers, artillery-and batteries of surface-to-air missiles.

Couple of facts:
(1) The five largest global suppliers of major weapons during the five-year period ending in 2013 were the U.S. (29 percent), Russia (27 percent), Germany (7 percent), China (6 percent) and France (5 percent). Are we ready to hold arms dealers accountable?

(2) Russia does have mandatory draft. If we're going to blame Putin for training solders, we must take a longer look at military et al.

(3) That "spiriting" back to Russia was so obvious and undisguised that it raises more questions than answers them.

that humanity, one day, will achieve an evolutionary stage where wars, violence and such are things of the past... yep I do hope so


or as common sense and logic dictate, we can blame him for how his forces are utilized, seeing as he is the commander-in-chief


ah, go on then, have another snap at your own tail, why don't you... round and round you go...

Today some maniac was screaming on the street for war against Russia and how Russia is enemy of the "free world", reminds me of some posters on this site (Nathan was that you?). I feel upset

The news is brainwashing people to saying nasty things and spreading hate and lies.

Agreed. But up to a moment of placing US/NATO military bases with strategic weapons in Poland. Since then - targets in poland is loaded to ICBM warheads, because there is no other choice.

And, concerning malaysian Boeing...

1. No any local evidences that BUK missiles ever started from the area. The trace from missile goes to clouds and keeps visible in the air for up to 10-15 minutes. Roar is so loud so can stuff up the ears for few km. from a launch pad. It is not some thing that can pass unnoticed by a nearby people.

2. Usually, minimum of 2 BUK missiles fired to a important target, as hit probability is 0.6-0.85.
3. A few experts (former Air Defence officers) already noted that few visible points of damage on Boeing fuselage parts on published photos looks like it was made by striking elements (tungsten pins) of R-60 (NATO - AA-8 Aphid) air to air missile, not by much more powerful Buk.

4. Unites States definitely have their own satellite photos and radar data for this area, but keeps it classified. Russia is published theirs already. It would be easy to point to any inconsistences (if there is any) in the data published by Russia, but US officials still operating by a junk taken from Youtube and Twitter. So, either russian data is correct (and ukrainian fighter jet is really made some sort of "jump" to Boeing just before their crash) and US does not wish to confirm it, either there is some other facts that US does not wish to make public.

cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-17-black-box-findings-consistent-with-blast

Unreleased data from a black box retrieved from the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in Ukraine show findings consistent with the plane's fuselage being hit multiple times by shrapnel from a missile explosion.

"It did what it was designed to do," a European air safety official told CBS News, "bring down airplanes."

The official described the finding as "massive explosive decompression."
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They are finding more evidence, though, of the sort of blast holes through the plane that an exploding missile might make. The Dutch say their full team will concentrate on this sort of specific find.

What we see on the scene is the resurrection of fascism. Masks falling down rapidly.

Slavic world must found way to consolidate itself from within, to solve its antagonisms, to prosper and, to prevent to become object of genocidal politics of USA and west of Europe.

Unfortunately, i fear that humanity entered in very dangerous phase.

Pushing locals aside, Russians take top rebel posts in east Ukraine

(Reuters) - As Ukrainian troops gained ground in eastern Ukraine in early July, separatist leader, Aleksander Borodai, a Russian national, left for Moscow for political consultations.

After what he described as successful talks with unnamed people there, he returned to the rebel stronghold of Donetsk to introduce a new senior figure in his self-proclaimed republic, a compatriot seasoned in the pro-Russian separatist movement in Moldova and a war between Russia and Georgia.

Vladimir Antyufeyev was named "deputy prime minister" by Borodai on July 10, one of several native Russians to have taken charge of the separatist rebellion in Ukraine's eastern regions.

Joining Borodai and rebel commander Igor Strelkov, Antyufeyev's arrival underlines a change at the top of the separatist movement, highlighting Moscow's involvement in the conflict, Western officials say. The Kremlin denies any involvement.

More: reuters.com/article/2014/07/27/us-ukraine-crisis-rebels-insight-idUSKBN0FW07020140727

Parallel universe.

Oh please spare us propaganda, if not you will be responsible for an uncontrollable spasm of laughter.
All sides are guilty including your beloved Obama.

FP, you only read/quote Western mainstream medias. You should read more independent medias, who have very little to gain from brainwashing millions of people, and whose huge works usually take into account all sides of the story, not just our Western point of view.

Most of what you call 'Western/mainstream medias' have very little to gain from brainwashing people either.

The people who own these medias and their political friends have a lot to gain. Medias, today, are more entertaining than informing.

Turns out that the Ukrainian government lied about not using Grad missiles in populated areas.

grad rockets, regrettably, are being used by both sides of the conflict:

from the same article: hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians

Human Rights Watch said that insurgent forces have failed to take all feasible precautions to avoid deploying in densely populated areas, thereby endangering civilians in violation of the laws of war. In one case, separatist forces moved their base closer to the center of the town when Grad rockets struck their base and a nearby residential area. Violations of the laws of war by one side to the conflict do not justify violations by the other side.

Individuals who commit serious violations of the laws of war with criminal intent, that is intentionally or recklessly, are responsible for war crimes.

"Ukrainian authorities should order all their forces, including volunteer forces, to immediately stop using Grads in or near populated areas, and insurgent forces should avoid deploying in densely populated areas," Solvang said. "Commanding officers on all sides should recognize that one day they could face legal consequences for their actions."

Sadly the constitution of Russia forbids the extradition of its citizens.

Beleaguered shareholders of Yukos could scarcely have imagined when they launched arbitration in 2005 they would one day be awarded $50bn in damages - nor that the ruling would be released into the febrile atmosphere that exists between Russia and the west today.

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But if Russian state businesses find themselves hit both by western sanctions and attempts to seize assets by Yukos shareholders, relations between the Kremlin and the west could sour further.

One person close to Mr Putin said the Yukos ruling was insignificant in light of the bigger geopolitical stand-off over Ukraine. "There is a war coming in Europe," he said. "Do you really think this matters?"

more: ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/b01cfb72-1669-11e4-8210-00144feabdc0.html?siteedition=intl#axzz38noDWMyD

You're right here. At least, that's what onet.pl said today, World War 3 coming soon.

'Russia attacking Poland would be the start of World War 3'

Dunno if I should laugh or cry.

You were right, there is no Western (anti-Russian) propaganda.

Luckily, there's a little survey at the end of the article that says that 69% of the readers do NOT fear a Russian aggression on Poland.

Phew, people still use their head.

But a good laugh is always nice.
Good night ;)