Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236511-Help-identify-a-rifle-used-by-a-soldier-in-the-Crimean-area-Yahoo-news

lots of that kinda topics there,would take me long to tackle but ..them guys are experts:

So find just one who can explain why 'Crimean self-defence militia' have a state-of-the-art mobile electronic warfare vehicle which only entered service with Russian forces in 2012.

yup...
there were russians there no doubts,but they were 25k legal russian forces stationed in Crimea.
them green guys are no doubt locals.there are threads there explained in details all gears where they come from.and most cheap ukrainians rifles withs very modern expensive gear like (scopes)attached.just unprofesional mess.

i culd find it 4 u but those threads are hundred pages long now.maybe tomorrow i have time.
it was this thread i believe:
militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236005-Situation-in-the-Ukraine-Crimea-*Photos-Videos*-ONLY&p=7083254&viewfull=1#post7083254

So what are they doing standing outside Ukrainian army bases?

well..not Ukrainian anymore...what ukrainian soldiers doing there against will of local population?provoking war?
its very interesting site if someone wants some insight of world conflicts.everything from analyses,images videos and experts.u should have a look,maybe u will see the light at the end

The photos pre-date the rigged referendum.

here:
militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?236005-Situation-in-the-Ukraine-Crimea-*Photos-Videos*-ONLY&p=7084839&viewfull=1#post7084839

he says:
Crimean paramilitary. Notice the guy with Zbroyar AR carbine we have seen before. All have ukranian made vests and chestrigs. Seems that canvas Gorka suit is the uniform of this unit.

there is lot more but this thread is 700 pages long..lol

Yes, well done. Sadly none of those are the same weapons which are shown in the photo I linked to.


And you have no hands with which to click through them, given that you have already cut off your hands in order to settle the bet you made.

and dongle slow internet,and there are big pictures ,my computer doesn't like to upload

I notice the statue of Lenin,in whatever square they are in.This speaks volumes to me,as to whether or not the Crimeans wanted to be annexed by Russia.And if this is the case,then I think the people of Crimea's will should be respected,and recognized by the west.

yep, IF is the key word. We will, most likely never know.

I think it will be hard or them to keep that a secret.

If you read what you have written, especially the part I have highlighted, you will likely understand how conflicting is your post. You are a moderator... Think.

A few points to understand for some commentators:
1. Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons, when it received the assurance from the US, the UK and Russia to respect its territorial integrity and do not use force against it. Russia broke the word and invaded Ukraine.

2. Crimean "referendum" was against the Ukrainian Constitution, against the Constitution of the Autonomous Crimean republic and the international law.
3. Even if one would allow this "referendum" to happen, it should not be in the presence of 35,000 soldiers army of the foreign country with its soldiers outside and inside of the polling stations.

4. Russia personally selected the "international observers". Results of 96.7%, which more resemble voting in the North Korea, than anything else, are simply ridiculous and no one would take them as real.

5. Ukraine did and does everything possible to avoid the escalation of the conflict. It could easily use its army to shoot down the Russian masked soldiers as they appeared in the Crimea. It did not. I am not sure whether it was a right decision, but this was done solely to avoid the real bloody war. Russia killed the Ukrainian soldier since it wants to have a war as it eyes to occupy other Ukrainian regions.

6. I ask all of you to please not spread BS, but help Ukraine in this difficult time, even by a word of reason, not propaganda. Because tomorrow we might be in the state of the war which will touch all of you directly.

Some of you say that: "well, Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded, so what right do they have to tell Russia whom to not invade". If you were 3 years old kids, I would understand this type of reasoning, but you are grown-up people! The country was invaded!!! I was against the war in Iraq. I was living in the US back then and I was sitting in my car, in front of a college, being late for an exam, listening to the news and praying that the US don't go there, because it was wrong on so many levels. Imagine your country invaded and hearing people use this type of dumb reasoning, not giving a sh*t what will happen to the people there, Tatars (who already were told by the new Crimean/Russian government to leave their territories), Ukrainians (whose language as of today is not more a part of the University program there), Russians who want to stay with Ukraine and whose will was not heard since the "referendum' was done without the international observers, under the presence of the foreign army, with all violations of the voting, including the allowance of the citizens of Russia to vote, as was notified by a Russian journalist, who was kind to inform about that and many more.

Some additional thing to think about: if giving up the nuclear weapons (as did Ukraine) doesn't protect from the invasion of the foreign army, more so by the one who promised to respect the territory of the concerned country, then all other countries aspiring to have nuclear weapons are completely justified to obtain them. What arguments will you tell these countries today to not have these weapons? Will you give them a promise or sign a document, which will be broken a few years later? This will mean that we are going to have the Earth highly nuclearized in the near future and this is the time where your kids be living.............. I am not trying to scare anyone, but this is what is going to happen, because the words and promises, international agreements don't have any weight anymore.

Nathan,my being a mod has nothing to do with anything thank you.Ukraine should never have given up it's nukes...bad move.The west should not have been interfering with the sovereignty of Ukraine either.George Soros should not have been funding these groups(with the blessing of the State Department I might add) and triggering the coup.Yanukovich's ousting was questionable as well.He decides against the EU....and basically overnight it came to that.The tactics are the typical ones used by the US.As for Crimea,with that big statue of Lenin...you find it hard to believe that that's what the Crimeans wanted?I'm not saying that Putin is right for entering Crimea,but just like Georgia...there are things that we are not being told.Though what he did is wrong...it was logical.Did the west really think that Putin was going to allow them to provocateur a coup at his doorstep,thus giving the west a foothold?He did the same thing that the US would have done if the situation were reversed.Did you notice that when Castro took over Cuba,the US didn't remove the military base there?We are being treated like mushrooms where this whole situation is concerned.

Crimean interior ministry confirmed that shooter at base yesterday was detained, a 17 year old from Lwow, probably of Pravy Sektor, shooting at both sides.


The similar question - why MQ-5B drone, according to identification number belonged to the 66th American Reconnaissance Brigade, based in Bavaria, was launched from Ukraine territory and downed oner Crimea by mentioned electronic warfare vehicle? ;)

Wow Velund: you're almost as gullible as greggy!
First up, this 'capture' was reported on Voice of Russia citing Novosti Kryma (News of Crimea). You really think that it's a good idea to be believing what Russian state media say while they are invading a country and spreading fear before a referendum they're planning to rig?

Secondly, the reports surfaced five days ago, more than long enough for the photos of the supposedly captured drone to have been developed and sent to the world's media. Instead all we have is a photo of a drone in flight somewhere.

Thirdly, the first report was that two US drones were shot down, one of which was a large twin-engined drone. However that story has been pulled from Voice of Russia (check the story at this link: voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_11/Two-US-drones-allegedly-shot-down-in-Crimea-5071/), most probably because the US does not operate any large twin-engined drones. The story is also reported here: inserbia.info/news/2014/03/breaking-two-us-drones-shot-dow n-in-crimea-report/

Fourthly, when operating drone near airspace that may be defended, the US gives them fighter escorts, as is made clear in this article about Iran: theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/

Good work Velund, you really brought us the truth with that post!


Wow! This one gets better and better!
Voice of Russia reports the story of the supposed MQ-5B drone here: voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_14/US-drone-intercepted-in-Crimean-airspace-Russias-state-corporation-2994/ It cites a report from "the Rostec state corporation" as its source.

Rostec state corporation now wants nothing to do with the story, has issued an "official denial" (their words) here: rostec.ru/en/news/4416 and claiming it got its info from a dodgy blog.

The dodgy blog (here:warsonline.info/ukraine/amerikanskiy-bespilotnik-mq-5b-perechvachen-v-nebe-nad-krimom.html) claims that there are US mercenaries operating in Ukraine and that the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade has been moved to operate out of Ukraine.

Voice of Russia also repeat the claim that the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade has been moved to operate out of Ukraine. voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_14/US-drone-intercepted-in- Crimean-airspace-Russias-state-corporation-2994/. Got to love that photo VoR has there, does it look anything like a real photo of a MQ-5B shown here? unmanned.co.uk/autonomous-unmanned-vehicles/uav-data-specifications-fact-sheets/mq-5b-hunter-specifications/ ROFL!

VoR also claim that the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade has its "the main location in Bavaria"; sadly for VoR the 66th Military Intelligence Brigade is not based in Bavaria at all, and they most certainly have not been deployed into Ukraine!


Hahahaha! The more one looks, the better this gets!
VoR says


voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_14/US-drone-intercepted-in-Crimean-airspace-Russias-state-corporation-2994/

But apparently nobody at VoR has access to the internet!
The maximum range of the MQ-5B, according to the people who sell the things, is 250km. starkaerospace.com/unmanned-aerial-systems/uas-production/ hunter

But a quick check on Google shows that the distance from Kirovohrad to Chongar and back to Kirovohrad is 648km! Got to love Russian propaganda. I wonder when they'll be hiring Comical Ali!

Was that coup in Kiev constitutional?


Only because she would loose armed conflict with Russia.

I guess that Ukraine will have to turn to the nearest state which guaranteed her territorial integrity in 1994 in exchange for Ukraine giving up her nuclear weapons, i.e. Russia.

Ukrainian TV boss assaulted and forced to resign by far-right Svoboda MPs

What is the administrative procedure in your country when a president disappears together with several helicopters and trucks loaded with stolen property? Does the parliament appoint the interim president until the next presidential elections by the votes of the citizens (as is scheduled in Ukraine on May 25th) or you wait until the president returns?


Came to what? A peaceful student protest, which Yanukovych turned into the beating of the protesters? Should people then just keep on being silent? The 3 months that followed had very little to do with the association with the EU.


Let me answer with following quote from a friend of yours:



The president, prime minister and the minister of internal affairs of Ukraine have already made their statements and this deputy will be brought before the court. V. Klitschko has demanded this MP to resign.

Poor Barney, still pushing the Kremlin's lie that the people in charge in Ukraine are neo-Nazis. If only he could stop and think about it for a minute, he'd realise that if those thugs were in charge, they wouldn't need to force anybody to sign letters of resignation: they would just fire those people. But anyway Barney, thanks for giving us a source which shows that neo-Nazis thugs are not in charge.

Now perhaps you'd like to defend the Kremlin's lies about US drones? To help motivate you should I tell you that the British Broadcasting Corporation are saying that the drones were not shot down?

I'm glad to hear it, the point is that its counterproductive to deny that this regime contains these types of people.

Harry, where did I post anything about drones or the Russian line? Its dishonest of you to suggest I did.

I pointed out that neo Nazi thugs beat up a TV guy because they didnt like what he had broadcast.

If you would like to discuss the Far right nationalists who named a think tank after Goebbles etc and how they are not neo Nazi fine open a thread.

Certain people aren't saying that the new government contains 'that type of people'; certain people are claim that the people in power in Ukraine are neo-Nazi thugs.


I didn't suggest any such thing: you are flat out lying when you said that I did. I asked you if you'd like to defend that particular Kremlin lie, given that you so zealously defend the Kremlin that the people in power in Ukraine are neo-Nazi thugs, even when the sources you yourself give us show that those people only have the power to illegally beat people up.

So, would you like to defend that lie or would you prefer to admit that the Kremlin lies about Ukraine?


You used that event to try to support the lie that the people in power in Urkaine are neo-Nazis thugs; you failed.

with the austerity plan for Ukraine people will take effect planned by IMF and the Nazi it will take about a month before rest of Ukraine will demand to join mother Russia.

Why do you call them neo Nazi?! Thugs, yes.

You mean the one you got caught repeating lies about?


Because the Kremlin does and the British establishment says they aren't.

True, Harry. I am just wondering why some people in the West fall to that propaganda. Sure, the Kremlin has its reach over many mass media centers, but that doesn't excuse the people who have access to the internet.

I posted a link to a story about far right thugs breaking into and beating up the acting president of the National Television Company of Ukraine.


I call them neo Nazi because they have been described in mainstream western media as Neo Nazis. Many links have been posted here describing these people as Neo Nazi.

Harry has difficulty understanding that far right nationalists who repeat Nazi propaganda, pose with nazi symbols, pose with white power symbols, name a think tank after Goebbels and describe the holocaust as happy time are indeed neo Nazis. I dont know how he would describe these people because he has refused to explain why they should not be described as neo Nazi.

The regime in Kiev contains members of Svoboda and Right sector and there is a member of the Fatherland party who helped found Svoboda.

You said


I said


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Looks like my initial statement was correct you are beind doubly dishonest.

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Of course you are going to provide evidence for this statement it didnt work out too well last time what with the BBC and Cameron being anti British and you falsifying history.

Not so much problem to launch it from almost any point within Ukraine. Or land it to some small airstrip somewhere near the board to refuel. Second MQ-5B with comms relay payload can operate as a relay for extended range operation.

Anyway, Pentagon quickly declined drone loss, and no more information from russian military side. Many possible options, we cannot be sure what is really happened. From pure propaganda to deal like "we will not ask our toy back, but you will not advertise your "Autobase" equipment using this case anymore". ;)

Iran already downed Sentinel drone with same equipment, so technically it is possible. Especially if we take into account that MQ-5B is not the latest state of the art technology. ;)

And you used it to try to rebut my statement that "No such thugs have taken power anywhere." So let me make it clearer to you: if those thugs are in power, why didn't they just have the man fired?


You posted the exact Kremlin line about the leaders of the revolution being neo-Nazis. Somehow you miss the fact that the Kremlin told Russian press presented the protest as part of a larger gay conspiracy and the Ukrainian regime instructed its riot police that the opposition was led by a larger Jewish conspiracy. Gay Nazi Jews? Really?

As for the Kremlin lies about drones, I have never made any statement that you posted anything about drones, so stop lying about me saying that.

I asked you if you wanted to defend the Kremlin lies about drones? Or would you prefer to admit that the Kremlin has been lying?