Ukraine Crisis... Poland... and the way i see it

The nation that willingly chooses to be a 'guinea pig' is truly unbeatable, until extinct.

This is why I quoted Count von Münnich... ;) He was surprised in 16-th century by the fact that Russia is not extinct. And now, 350 yrs later, it is not looking ready to extinct as well. ;)

Do you know better explanation than one that offered by von Münnich? I don't... ;)

I don't believe that this explains anything actually. That's just an ad hominem statement which is not to be used to prove anything or to back anything up. In a similar fashion, one could have replaced it with any country that still exist.

As for why Russia existed back then and why Russia cannot exist anymore in its modern boundaries providing that it maintains the same strategy (and it apparently does), I suggest that you read this book:

ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780195161007.do

And no, it's not russophobic at all.

There is a fast way to solve any Polish-Russian antagonism. Both, Poles and Russians should immediately germanize themselves. All other Slavs should follow. Why delay the process? Let us live in peace, in Ukraine, anywhere.

Finally you start to make sense.

i see clearly now

Common religion and no common border (with Russia) is enough to calm down most of the tensions.
Had the Russian Empire had a common border with Serbia, the Montenegrins would have hung Russian skulls on their palisades, not the Turkish ones.

Yes, situation that Serbs have with Russians. Still, it wasn`t enough to prevent agony. Or, take Polish-Serbian relations for example. Perfect relations no matter that there is no neither common religion neither common border. Serbs even granted to Poles victory over the Russians in Orsha battle (one example). Still, it also didn`t prevent agony.

Its because agony wasn`t delivered neither from the Russians, neither from the Poles. Agony came from Germanics. We resisted, they were pushing. Poles and Russians came in our aid. That way Poles and Russians prolonged agony. but, it wasn`t only our agony. It was their agony, too. From Germanics, too. Pressure was so strong that Poles and Russians finally recognized problem. Problem were not Germanics but, source of the problem was resistance to them. So, in attempt to deal with real problem, Poles and Russians see each others as enemies. They now don`t have time for Serbs, what is good. That is good because that would end our agony once and for all.

Why take politics as k***a? Take funny side of politics

Some Serbs resisted. Other Serbs collaborated closely with the Nazis. Interestingly, some of the same scum who collaborated with the Nazis, the Chetniks, are now working for Putin, murdering Ukrainians in Ukraine:


Full article here:
uk.news.yahoo.com/ukraine-crisis-serb-chetniks-claim-killings-23-ukrainian-102648863.html

Yep, so much for "Slavic Brothers" .........

Most of Serbs resisted and paid grave price for that resistance. Chetniks are among them. Here is one thread on Polishforums dedicated to them > Polish WWII hero from battles against UPA, Serbian Chetnik commander- Dragan Sotirović; story > polishforums.com/history-34/wwii-hero-battles-against-upa-serbian-chetnik-commander-72809/

Harry, my people is stupid. Learning in a hard way. But, there is more and more people who see bright future in Germanziation. That is for sure. i myself, right now live my phase on the verge of germanization.


Let us not manipulate here with facts. Those Serbian Chetniks in Ukraine are there because there are ethnic Serbs in Ukraine. Nazi banderists in Ukraine imposed some pressure on local Serbs and Chetniks came to deal with it. See, those Chetniks are typical representatives of stupid Serbs. Idiots who resist to germanization. They aren`t wise as you and me Harry. We know. We are on the verge.


What? you are also on the verge?

Another produce of your fantasy?

i gave you info. You decide what with that info.


what was first, please?

You seem to mistaken "information" for your bigotry.

Let's not get carried away and start with a saint first :)
spiegel.de/international/world/holy-vladimir-pray-for-us-a-russian-sect-honors-putin-as-a-saint-a-789175.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_of_Russia%27s_Resurrection

He even has his own icon:

And it even cried!:
digitaljournal.com/article/318512

I honestly don't know what is going on here o_O:

Is this for real? lol


No way lol


Not really :)

Supporters of the Ukrainian nationalist movement rally in downtown Lviv on April 28, 2012 to mark the 68th anniversary of the formation of the Ukrainian Galacian Division of the Waffen SS

Nice. Slavs progress, finally on the right path. All thanks to our beloved EU and NATO, who show us light and guide us and saved us from the prisons such were Yugoslavia and that what was Ukraine yesterday. Oh, how was Croatia honored to be the first that get chance to be saved thru new teachings. i can only hope that would my people, same as people in Croatia already and now Ukraine understand and move that massively on the streets to salute this teaching of EU and NATO who care for us and who delivered new morning of Germanic wisdom to us, so that we can save ourselves from that Russia. For what are we Slavs. Sheep that needs guidance and shepherd.

Two man dressed in pre-WWII Latvian military uniforms walk along with veterans of the Latvian Legion, a force that was commanded by the German Nazi Waffen SS, and their sympathizers to the Monument of Freedom in Riga, Latvia

Good, good. The force is strong in new teachings that guide Europeans. Just look how it goes in Latvia.

Veterans of 20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Estonian) meet on the Sinimaed hills

And look these old fellows in Estonia. Their loyalty to old/new teachings is so deep. We should all learn from them. Germania! Germania!


Why not? Why resist when is progress with Germanic teachings and not with our backward Slavic ways? Why resist when even our Mother EU and Father NATO teach us to accept new wisdom?

In Crimea:

censor.net.ua/photo_news/265681/russkie_natsionalisty_prizvali_prognat_smesti_raz_i_navsegda_evromayidan_fotoreportaj

Crimea1
Russian anti-facists :)
bald heads
Heil Putin

Burning Ukrainian books and textbooks in Crimea:




Looks like Russians are eager students :):




Because we're Poles, not Germans.


lol

Why those photos were deleted by a moderator? ;D

Answer: Their server blocks hot linking.

Those are Russians? How nice. Well, they advance. Progressively.

Germania would hail all Her children.


At the moment, my dear. At the moment. But, thanks to our Mother EU and Father NATO, it would be changed.

Force is strong in Germania

Yes, Russians in Crimea.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Bloc_(party)

The funny thing is that on that photo that I titled "Heil Putin" there is a banner of this party "Russian Block - for national Slavic unity" and at the same time there are plenty of neo-Nazis in the crowd lol It seems stupidity knows no borders, just like Russia lol


My dear Crow, Poles survived partitions, they survived the Nazis, stalinism and communism and remained Poles. I think we can survive cuddly rainbowy Germans who, apparently, have barely any army nowadays... lol

Stop worrying about us and start worrying about Russians, because they have a real mess in their heads - a really dangerous mess...


Then why one of the photos from that site is still in my post?

You may ask them; we don't block these images. They are probably hosted in different directories or servers.

there is no doubt western military is involved there...officially as "advisers"but plenty of evidence of private military used there.
watch this...amazing documentary about recent fight in Donetsk airport. somehow beautiful but scary war images.(not graphic):

youtube.com/watch?v=_IYJzj5vDxM#t=902


you can hear clearly, british soldier at 14:27(graphic images past 15 min mark):
youtube.com/watch?v=jsfGH8JXprE

what i remembered from the days when i was on the verge to fall into heresy of germanized soul, the force is strong in them. i mean, i know what you mean brate gregy741, but its wrong to say `western military`. Its even blasphemous. How we Slavs means to survive when we even fails to communicate our own and of our enemies identity.

Slavs as a whole are West. West of Europe and USA are on the first place geographically western to the Slavic world. They aren`t what we designate as culturally Western world. Anyway, what we face in Ukraine is that west of Europe and USA meddling into the Slavic world. Poland don`t meddling. Poland itself is under occupation by west of Europe. So, let`s not confusing things here.

On the other side, Russia is also mistaking in Ukraine. Historical Russian mistake was that failed to recognize unique character of Ukrainian nation in time. That made them suffer and some of them turned to foreigners for support. Then, mistake was to let Soviet Union dissolve without previously having completed negotiations with new independent Ukrainian state (what is Russian and what is Ukrainian there, even what is Polish, in territorial and cultural sense; it would be correct to ask us Serbs considering number of ethnic Serbs in Ukraine but never mind for that, we Serbs don`t complaint to any of the sides as long as we aren`t hunted). Then also, mistake was to let native ethnic Russians in the east of Ukraine being massacred by pro-Germanic Nazi banderists. For the God`s sake, its not even Civil War there. Its just that one militia (banderists), sponsored by the west of Europe and USA, terrorize complete Ukraine. Putin should have been arrested and interrogated for letting this happens. Is he another Yeltsin plant creature?

Now, as Serbia insist, negotiations are must, as soon as possible. We want to tell to Ukrainians and to Russians how this can work.

Oh yes gregy741, "clearly" it must be a British Soldier because the trustworthy pro-Russia separatists have said so. Of course, they have provided video evidence that proves everything. Yes, western Soldiers are involved in the war in Ukraine, because the Russian separatists have proven it to us.

Oh No, wait, hang on a second.........If i remember correctly......when Crimea was annexed by Russia , Putin repeatedly said that the troops roaming the streets of Crimea without insignia are not Russian troops. In fact, they were "local self defense units". When asked as to why they and their equipment would look fairly similar to Russian soldiers, just without the insignia, it was stated that anyone could purchase these uniforms in any good military store.

Shocker, "anyone can buy anything that looks similar to professional uniforms in any good military store". Do these words (repeatedly stated by separatist leaders when they took over Crimea) now come back to haunt them when they try to "prove" something to us?

So what you are saying is that at 14:27, when someone speaks on the radio very clearly and in Russian / Ukrainian ( i could not make out which one it is ), the "British soldier" understands everything and replies with "yeah yeah it's fine"?

What you make out as "clearly a British soldier", is actually the voice of a British journalist who has remained in Donetsk throughout the whole conflict. I actually know him from my time in Donetsk. But "clearly"........

Dirty.

i think that Britain needs to have coitus with Russia directly, not over the heads of other Eastern Europeans. Its not nice. Go Brits. Have a nice sex

You are unable to understand. You spread false information. Misleading on purpose. Lying, if you will. Now that my friend is dirty

JR. Don't let Crow upset you. He is so full of hatred for the British, and anyone else he doesn't consider Slavic, that he will believe anything that shows his enemies in a bad light, and anything that shows the blessed Slavs in a good one, even if the source is the Russian propaganda machine, which nobody except Putin fans takes seriously.

And this has undermined everything that comes from that side. An insult to those Russian speakers who don't identify with Kiev but are not part of the invasion. Essentially a huge own-goal by Putin.

The biggest own goal was scored by the separatists last weekend, when they were shelling residential areas of Mariupol. Up until now, they have been able to convince quite a large proportion of the Donetsk region that the Kyiv "Junta" is killing it's own people. The shelling of Mariupol costs 30 lives and injured dozens more. They have now lost the argument that Kyiv is killing civilians, by blindly shelling Mariupol, which before the conflict started could have been considered to be very pro-Russian (although not necessarily in favor of being part of Russia).

no,this is another example of your hypocrisy...what they did was crime,something what kiev been doing for last 10 months on daily basis.
have media reported how many civilians died in last week in gorlovka alone from ukie shells?they bastards dont even bother to report civilians being murdered by ukra army shells anymore. suddenly all media scream "war crime","tribunal in hague" and shi.t.not to mention,we dont know for sure who did this.

remember this bus blown up 2 weeks ago,by suppose rebel shells?well bus driver had different story to tell.but not a single western media bothered to report his statement.nothing is sure in this conflict...too much lies on both sides and too much propaganda and cynicism.

but something else come up today..
according to prosecutor rapport from ministry of defense of ukraine ,regarding victims of maidan,stated that first victims died from hunter rifles and hundguns,which were not in use by police or berkut.sry..only in polish:

kresy.pl/wydarzenia,spoleczenstwo?zobacz/sledczy-z-ukrainskiego-msw-pierwsze-ofiary-majdanu-nie-zginely-z-rak-milicji

Not really. You may (or may not) remember what happened on the 9th of May in Mariupol. In my opinion, it showed very well that the people of Mariupol, at least a large proportion were not too friendly towards Kyiv and it's troops. That may have changed a bit now after the shelling. Hence, an own goal by the separatists. You may want to argue that it has not yet been proven who actually fired but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that the Azov battalion is very unlikely going to shell it's own positions or territory. Especially not when they are already struggling to make friends with a large proportion of the local population. Of course, the separatists will tell us that they do not have any weaponry stationed close enough to Mariupol (and they actually made that statement), but vk.com is full of videos with separatists convoys heading from Donetsk to Mariupol a couple of days ago. Some of the trucks and heavy machinery actually had hand painted letters stating "to Mariupol". It was only a matter of time until they would try to take the city as it is strategically important to them. There is no need to deny that the attack came from the separatist side.


Kyiv has been doing nothing but to defend it's own territory. While i do not agree with the shelling of civilian populated areas, one has to wonder how else they would try to regain their own territory. If there is one side to blame for the deaths of civilians, it can only be the separatist side. It was them who started to take over the cities. Surely, they must have known that Kyiv won't just sit by and watch. If the separatists wouldn't have decided to take up arms, there would have been no need for shelling.


Exactly. And that it is why it is important to look at it from both sides. We have the luxury to live in countries that do not restrict us to a one-sided media coverage. We have several tools available to us to form an educated opinion on most subjects.


What was in use by Berkut and what not is very difficult if not impossible to proof now. You have to understand that even normal police had to buy a lot of equipment themselves. For example, i have spoken to a police man on the bus back from Odessa to Donetsk when i went to see Shakhtar play Chornomorets. Each bus carried one police man from Donetsk as "liason". I asked him why the police officers in the stadium were holding their batons in their hand instead of having it hang off their belts down their legs. I wondered because it seemed to me that holding the baton gives away quite an aggressive picture and does not have much of a deescalation strategy to it in case it does kick off. he explained that it is most likely that they have not been issued with holders for their batons. He had to purchase his holder privately too. So, while police or Berkut may not have been issued with handguns or riffles, it does not mean that those weapons were not in use.