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jon357
8 Apr 2019  #121

but nobody seen any proofs that can hold water.

Plenty of proof including videos of the perpetrators and a bottle of their Russian-made poison. Easily enough to satisfy the international community, though there's another thread for that.

was made at masonic council

No such thing. Unless you mean a Council of Rites, which a. isn't an American thing, and b. is more about what people wear at meetings.

Much easier just to discuss it in the Oval Office...

You don't worry too much about truth, do you...

Crnogorac3
9 Apr 2019  #122

It's been a great year for people who hate fake news. The Covington kids are suing CNN and celebs who slandered/libeled them, Nunes is suing Twitter, Smollet is a hate crime hoaxing fraud, propagandists on MSNBC and CNN are fuming and crying about no indictments/no collusion (because they've fed their easily manipulated audience that BS for YEARS now), and now the guy they hoped would take down Trump is probably going to jail while his star client/the used up wh*re has to pay the President's legal fees.

Deal with it.

Vesko Vukovic
9 Apr 2019  #123

mueller madness

1. Maddow wipes the floor with Navarro
2. Cripple fight, Oliver wins due to his Brit accent
3. Brennan creates an upset, Morning Joe was not 100% into that
4. One more weak pairing, Lemon was too highly seeded, Hayes is wishy-washy

5. Kristol confidently announces the victory of his opponent, but fails in his prediction and moves on
6. Chait wins it on experience, accuses Lisa of anti-semitism
7. The most unpredictable pair of the first round, seven games, Krugman performs better free throws at the finish of the second extra time.
8. Boot of course. Fear the Fedor!

9. Baldwin comfortably, another sweep
10. Lorre advances, Kimmel betrayed by puns at a crucial moment
11. Colbert with the most monstrous dunk of this round ("Putin persuaded Trump to withdraw from the ICBM treaty")
12. Avenatti is lowly seeded, Behar completely wandered into the playoffs

13. Wittes is an authority at the Brookings Institute, the third sweep
14. Milano, carried by the support of the most fanatical fans
15. Headchopper Griffin, I do not even know this other one
16. Tribe with the official score, De Niro in a senile way forgets when it is played

Crnogorac3
9 Apr 2019  #124

Colbert advances from his part of the bracket, there is quite a bad competition, the majority of his bracket are either fired or have problems with the law. The most difficult opponent he has in the first round, some of the things Dilainian says are really wtf, however he manages to advance to the next round due to the broad popular masses which are chanting to him: "Steven, Steven!"

Vesko Vukovic
9 Apr 2019  #125

Well yeah, the whole Eastern Conference is quite weak compared to the heavyweights from the West (Madcow, Kristol Meth, J-Chait, Das Boot...)

Crnogorac3
9 Apr 2019  #126

Well, I'm pretty sure Trump is going to clean all of them up as with a broom.

It is a waste of time for us to be dealing with this.

Trump 2020.

Vesko Vukovic
9 Apr 2019  #127

propagandists on MSNBC and CNN are fuming and crying about no indictments/no collusion

twitter.com/mtracey/status/1109204898934079489

*****

These are one of the rare moments when it is actually cool watching CNN

Rich Mazur
9 Apr 2019  #128

Trump 2020.

Why? So he construct the second mile of the wall he promised in 2016?

Forgot "can".

Velund
9 Apr 2019  #129

Plenty of proof including videos of the perpetrators and a bottle of their Russian-made poison.

Videos of two tourists that come to Salisbury on a train later than Skripals left home to be found inconscius before they return there and had a chance to touch door handle (allegedly poisoned by those two gayish guys). And bottle of unknown origin with something poisonous of unknown origin inside.

Nothing looking like a smoking gun.

Miloslaw
9 Apr 2019  #130

Whilst I find it painful to criticize a fellow radio anorak,
I have to say that this is a lot more than just a smoking gun....too much evidence to even try to argue against.

jon357
9 Apr 2019  #131

Videos of two tourists

FSB agents.

something poisonous of unknown origin inside.

Its origin is very well know.

And as the poster above said, the evidence is overwhelming. No matter how much Dirty Putin's troll army tried and failed to obfuscate.

To keep on topic, they've been up to their dirty tricks in the US too.

Miloslaw
9 Apr 2019  #132

I suspect that Velund is a licensed radio amateur.
You don't get those licenses in Russia if you are not trusted by the state.

Rich Mazur
9 Apr 2019  #133

That does not make his arguments less credible. Don't forget that it was the FSB who alerted our trustworthy (what a f**king joke) FBI about the Tsarnaev Boston marathon lovelies so that the FBI geniuses can really f*ck it up. And, then, came the mayhem.

Same for the geniuses at the CIA who gave us the WMD's in Iraq and 5000 coffins. I like FSB better. At least, the FSB did not put Putin and Russia through two years of hell. They just kill the bad guys who don't know how to behave.

Velund
10 Apr 2019  #134

.too much evidence

Too much of "nothing special", and too much words in media.

Its origin is very well know.

Porton Down, I hope? It is equipped well enough to produce such highly toxic substances in small quantities. Almost any university lab may do it as well, but accidents is possible in process.

I'm licensed in Russia since end of 1980's, and have US license as well since early 1990's. Nothing special, just technical and operation rules exams... Russian exams was even harder to pass, compared to US ones.

But for army/navy officers it was very hard to get amateur license, due to their access to a classified materials.

Rich Mazur
10 Apr 2019  #135

Oh, common, don't you know that if you live in Russia and have electricity at home, you are an FSB agent, a paid Russian troll, or at least a very suspicious character who should be investigated here.

That aside, if the Russians actually killed that guy with the polonium served for lunch, I see no problem with that. He was told to stop badmouthing things in Russia but wouldn't. Mossad does this with certain regularity, with Eichmann and the Munich operations as the prime examples.

At least, the FSB killed one of their own countryman. The Brits had no such excuse killing Iraqis.

Velund
10 Apr 2019  #136

Mossad does this with certain regularity

Looks like you misunderstand something. Mossad kills only bad guys, and use bullets made of kosher lead or kosher poisons. FSB and GRU kill only freedom fighters, using inhumane methods.

In addition, much more allowed to chosen people. For example (as Pompeo said recently) military conquer and later annexation of Golan Heights is OK, bacause Israel need this territory to assure security of Israeli territory. Crimean referendum and reunion with Russia is not OK, because Russia have no such excuse.

Rich Mazur
10 Apr 2019  #137

Crimean referendum and reunion with Russia is not OK, because Russia have no such excuse.

That's going to be weird but I will defend Russia. The US, that beacon of civil rights and other good things, loves self-determination - like in the Balkans. That was good, according to the world. Somehow, the same in Crimea was bad. Actually really awful. Sure.

FSB and GRU kill only freedom fighters, using inhumane methods.

ISIS are freedom fighters. At least according to them. Yet, without a trial, we happily dropped all kinds of s*** on them and their neighbors. Oops. Collateral damage. Sorry.

I don't believe that the FSB guys get up in morning and say: It's Monday so let's start the week with a little warm up and kill some freedom fighters. That stubborn idiot in the UK that got some polonium in his tea, was he a "freedom fighter" or a moron who ignored the memo?

Crnogorac3
10 Apr 2019  #138

@Velund

This is just another perfect example of Western double standards and outright hypocrasy, for the Skripal affair where the victim SURVIVED and is today alive and well, Russia immediately received sanctions by the very vocal Western leaders despite there not being any CONCLUSIVE evidence that can prove any Russian government link to this case. For all we know he could have had a case of bad food poisoning in a UK seafood restaurant.

Now let us examine the more recent case of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi who was not only murdered but chopped up into small pieces at the Saudi embassy, his body or whatever is left of it has never been found. Where are the sanctions against Saudi Arabia by the so called West?

At least Trump is sincere about it, he said we know the Saudis are responsible, but my priority is to keep American jobs, Saudi Arabia is the worlds greatest buyer and importer of American weapons and in case they were to be condemned or even offended these contracts worth 300 billion dollars per year would then go to China or Russia instead.

So Milo, jon and others you can now move along & sell your "we stand for human rights and we are for democracy" fairytales someplace else.

Miloslaw
10 Apr 2019  #139

It's funny how some people on here see me as some sort of extreme right winger and others see me as a leftie liberal...........

Velund
10 Apr 2019  #140

That stubborn idiot in the UK that got some polonium in his tea, was he a "freedom fighter" or a moron who ignored the memo?

He was a traitor who secured his future income by vocalizing various BS about their former employer. But their imagination was almost exhausted, real facts that may be interesting to new employer was said earlier, so this guy was finally used as WMD (Weapon of Mass Distraction). Just like Skripals later. Killed by russian-made polonium (probably extracted from US-made anti-static brushes that was readily available at the moment without any limitations) in UK. A pair of russian guys that come to discuss some matters with them was declared guilty (just like in Skripal case).

jon357
10 Apr 2019  #141

the victim SURVIVED and is today alive and well,

Somebody died.

For all we know he could

No could, would, should.

The evidence is overwhelming.

Velund
10 Apr 2019  #142

Quantity of "evidence" is overwhelming. Quality of that "evidence" is far below measurable minimum.

Crnogorac3
10 Apr 2019  #143

Somebody died.

Yes someone certainly did die, his remains are yet to be found the outspoken journalist critical of the Saudi regime Jamal Khashoggi. I have yet to hear anything from a single US, UK or EU official the so called champions of "human rights" & "democracy". Where are the sanctions against the perpetrators of this heinous crime the Saudis? A cat got their tongue? While Skripal is alive, for which there is no proof Russia was responsible while sanctions were immediately introduced.

Hypocrites.

The evidence is overwhelming.

As presented by the BBC, is it as overwhelming as the Trump collusion debacle?

Velund
10 Apr 2019  #144

for the Skripal affair where the victim SURVIVED and is today alive and well

I'm not so sure. And their daughter, once shown on TV, can easily be another very look alike person. Because if "Novichok" line substance was really used, victims have little chance to recover. Just like guy that was briefly exposed to leaked "Novichok" in the development lab and became disabled to the end of their life.

jon357
10 Apr 2019  #145

Yes someone certainly did die

Called Dawn Sturgess.

And their daughter, once shown on TV, can easily be another very look alike person.

That's among the thinnest straws ever clutched at on this forum.

Because if "Novichok" line substance was really used, victims have little chance to recover.

Two did...

Rich Mazur
10 Apr 2019  #146

I will trust a Romanian Gypsy fortune teller before I would our and the UK "intelligence" agencies. A good provocation is a nice tool to fool the trusting and the gullible.

I kind of, sort of remember that stupid chick at the UN sobbing about the bad, bad Iraqis throwing Kuwaiti babies out of incubators.... That was before the "consensus" about the WMD's, but I could be wrong.

As far as Skripal case goes, it's not the Russian government. I trust they are much better at it than that.

Vesko Vukovic
10 Apr 2019  #147

The story turned out to be bullshit, completely made up, she was a fraud, the girl they used even received acting classes from the CIA in order to gain sympathy at the UN.

jon357
10 Apr 2019  #148

Who? The late Dawn Sturgess and her entire extended family?

Perhaps you could try to back that up with a credible source. It will be fun to watch.

Vesko Vukovic
10 Apr 2019  #149

Who?

youtu.be/yaR1YBR5g6U

The story was a complete BS.

jon357
10 Apr 2019  #150

Tell us why you have that rather eccentric opinion.

Do you really think that the late Dawn Sturgess was 'an actress'. Were all her family and everyone who knew her acting too?


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