USA News and Poland - part 18

One of the very few things that the far left and the extreme right have in common is that they both think that executing unarmed protesters is perfectly acceptable.


He didn't go to a protest.


He didn't pull a gun on them. They took his gun. And then they shot him nine times.

Neither of those are true but anyway everything is simple to you - you support Nazi atrocities in Bucha, and I'm sure Katyn and Szrebrenica. So shooting defenseless people at close range is always going to be up your strasse.

Many police, even long after the Miranda rights were mandatory, are still poorly trained in both inter-cultural communication, above all, in dealing with suspects with medical challenges, making them seem more aggressive than they are.

"Resisting arrest"?? The police shoot first and ask questions later...typically when it's too late

What a wildly inaccurate statement, confidently typed from a computer keyboard in your British bedsit.

Your latest diatribe of the day is as absurd as your quickly disproven claim that law enforcement had no identifiable logos when they attempted to arrest the rampaging "local observer" lesbian a few weeks ago.

The United States is a nation of laws. The rabid left loves to remind everyone of this, since it is their own politicians who love to criminalize everything they can't tax.

So, here are the ones you refuse to look up yourself when it comes to ICE operations:

Immigration and Nationality Act (INA)

ICE enforces civil immigration law under the INA, including:
- Arrest and detention of non-citizens for immigration violations
- Execution of removal orders

And we all know how those on the rabid left, like yourself, regard it:



Regarding the laws applicable to the anti-ICE operative who interfered with the attempted arrest of two of his female cohorts and was carrying a loaded gun that discharged while he was being arrested, the following statutes apply:

Federal Statutes Commonly Implicated

Interference / Obstruction

1. 18 U.S.C. § 111 - Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Federal Officers
- Covers forcibly assaulting, resisting, opposing, impeding, intimidating, or interfering with federal officers performing official duties.
- Enhanced penalties if a deadly or dangerous weapon is used
- Discharge of a firearm can elevate charges significantly

2. 18 U.S.C. § 1501 - Obstruction of Process
- Knowingly and willfully obstructing or opposing a federal officer serving or attempting to serve legal process.

3. 18 U.S.C. § 371 - Conspiracy to Commit Offense Against the United States
- Applies when two or more people conspire to impede lawful federal functions and take an overt act in furtherance of that conspiracy.

4. 18 U.S.C. § 231 - Civil Disorder
- Applies when conduct during a civil disturbance interferes with federally protected functions and involves violence or danger to persons or property.

Firearms / Deadly Force Related

5. 18 U.S.C. § 924(c) - Use or Carry of a Firearm During a Crime of Violence
- Imposes mandatory penalties for using, carrying, or discharging a firearm during and in relation to a federal crime of violence (such as §111).
- Discharge of the firearm triggers enhanced mandatory sentencing

6. 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) - Prohibited Person in Possession of a Firearm
- Applies if the individual is legally prohibited from possessing a firearm (status-dependent).

7. 18 U.S.C. § 924(a) - Penalties
- Provides penalty enhancements for violations involving firearms, including discharge or reckless use.

Deadly Force Authority (Law Enforcement)

8. Constitutional Standard - Fourth Amendment (Graham v. Connor / Tennessee v. Garner)
- Federal officers may use deadly force only when they have a reasonable belief that the subject poses an immediate threat of death or serious bodily harm to officers or others.
- A firearm discharging during an arrest is a key fact in deadly-force analysis.

But I know what you're thinking. ICE agents should learn from the police in Europe how to conduct a proper arrest. Right?

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No, it is a nation of lawyers. Most of whom are fully engaged in paying Golden Cow to let their corrupt clients out of the jug

Again Poloniusz, Law and Justice supercedes Law and Order, even during wartime

Great analogy!

Oh dear, perhaps you should try asking Chat GTP to tell you the difference between a statement and a question?


Also perhaps ask Chat GTP to tell you the difference between a house and a bedsit. But do note that not all houses have basements. Also, ask Chat GTP to tell you the difference between Poland and the UK. My house is not in the UK.


It is. But the government clearly now believes it is above those laws.

Wow!

Did you study at the F. E. Dzerzhinsky Higher School of the KGB?

Are you not a freedom loving American? What if the Founding Fathers took your advice to heart?

Instead of the "lawless" destruction of private property in Boston Harbor, the Sons of Liberty should have filed a Notice of Displeasure Regarding Import Duties. Then they would have waited the standard 180 days for a response from the East India Company. When the response came back in the form of a "Read Receipt," Samuel Adams would have organized a peaceful demonstration - conveniently located in a "Free Speech Zone" three miles outside of Boston, so as not to interfere with the lawful offloading of tea.

Revere wouldn't have dared gallop through the night "putting himself and bystanders at risk." Instead, like a good citizen he would have applied for a Noisy Procession Permit from the British authorities. I can imagine it now:

"The Regulars are coming! (Pending a 48-hour quiet period and assuming they have the proper work visas. Please do not block the King's Highway as the Redcoats have a very busy schedule of lawful enforcement actions!)"

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Anyway...

Mr. Poloniusz conveniently ignores that the Constitution was born out of people who were EXTREMELY "intent on interfering with lawful enforcement actions" (like, say, tax collection OR troop quartering).

That's a fun fact for history books. The Constitution and U.S. Code, however, do not give anyone a license to interfere with lawful enforcement today.

Quite a revisionist conception there, folks
If the Constitution is imperfect, I'm dying to find out what you meatheads would do to "improve" said document.

Next thing you know, people will be thanking our government for slaughtering our Native American population!

Opinions vary.

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That's the thing about the 'defenders of freedom', they are perfectly fine with you dying. It's only their freedom that matters to them.

Untrue, Lazarus.

Dude had a live fire gun in hand quickly advancing within close proximity (arms reach) of federal agents in a hostile manner

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While radical leftists try to rewrite the narrative using AI, they're also editing photos to make him look better.

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Liar. The victim never drew his gun at all. The photos you show are the government thug who took away the victim's gun before other thugs murdered him.

In case anybody was wonder why Joke's picture was so closely cropped, here's the full scene: several masked thugs holding the victim down while one carries the legally carried gun away just before other thugs murder the victim.


Liar. They advanced on him. They sprayed him with chemical agent. They pushed him to the ground. They held him down and they murdered him.

Stick to cleaning windows, you're absolutely terrible at lying.

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Yes, there have been reports today about Pretti's handgun discharging while ICE agents were lawfully trying to subdue him. Reports say the gun had a history of accidentally firing. If the gun went off, then he already had a round chambered, which says a lot about his true intentions for being there, provoking, interfering, and resisting.

Alex Pretti's Sig handgun has history of accidentally firing - offering possible clue to why border agent shot him

nypost.com/2026/01/25/us-news/alex-prettis-sig-p320-may-have-gone-off-accidentally-experts-suggest/

The gun did not discharge itself. It was discharged due to negligent handling by one of the masked thugs who were engaged in assaulting a man who was exercising his first and second amendment rights.


They shot him because they have a history of shooting people they should not shoot and of being utter scum, as demonstrated by the animal who reacted to the murder by applauding.

Look at these arrested activists, violent supporters of illegal immigration. Every mother would want them as a son-in-law or daughter-in-law.



Psihijatrija...

You don't know anything about firearms beyond seeing them in pictures.

You couldn't even afford one, assuming you could pass a required background check for criminal history and mental health disqualifiers.

But since you like to present yourself as an expert, explain why Pretti already had a round chambered.


There are laws in the United States that permit law enforcement to use deadly force when a suspect presents an imminent threat of death or serious bodily harm. Under established use-of-force standards, confronting officers - especially in public with bystanders - while armed with a loaded handgun and a round chambered constitutes a clear and immediate threat. Officers are not required to wait for a suspect to fire before responding.

This reality doesn't fit your rabid leftist narrative though, does it?

Leaving aside the point about which of us was in the army, I clearly know more that you about guns, as you think that a modern cold gun that hasn't been dropped can shoot itself.


Stop lying. He wasn't confronting them: he was filming the masked goons and then trying to help back her feet a woman they had just assaulted.


He was not armed when they murdered him.


Remind us who it is that lives in his mommy's basement and has a criminal record that features theft, fraud and making criminal threats. It's you, isn't it. And your mental health issues are the only reason you didn't serve a spell in prison.

Trying to help a woman who had been thrown to the ground by one of those goons with no gun in his hand and being pepper sprayed at the same time constitutes imminent threat of death or serious injury? Those laws are just a licence to kill. They murdered him and you're just trying to excuse it.

I was told by one American even before 10 years ago, when there were no big divisions between leftards and normal people, or at least I didn't know about it, that America is full of seriously mentally ill people and he doesn't know why. It wasn't until recently that I realized what he meant.

Thick heads here still don't realize that ICE agents are similar to IRS agents - though less educated. Both groups will have no problem arresting or killing the same fools who support them. When Trump is gone, the ICE thugs will remain and will follow leftist orders just as dutifully as they followed right-wing ones.

They're hired, state sponsored muscle, that's all.
In this respect, no different from the Stasi or the KGB.

I know that the Police is the first thing that comes to your mind, but in order to explain for the people who read and do not follow, let's clarify that a little, so ICE has nothing to do with the Police.

POLICE
- falls under the local government and the Ministry of Justice

ICE - Immigration and Customs Enforcement
- falls under the Ministry of Homeland Security

NATIONAL GUARD
- falls under the Ministry of Defense

The police in the USA have unregulated powers, so they can get away with anything, including murder.
The police is the biggest problem of the USA because they are to blame for the situation on the ground, besides they are corrupt, and worst of all they function like the Mafia

The police complain about ICE only because legally they can't do anything to them, not because they broke any law.

You mean the Salvation Army, which helped you - as one of their service recipients - move off the street and into your own bedsit?

The Salvation Army UK & Ireland Territory Rough Sleeper Outreach




SIG P320 Uncommanded Discharge and Its Repeatability




He could have filmed them from a safe distance on the sidewalk. Two of his female cohorts were being subdued by ICE for interfering with them, and he began to interfere too. That's why ICE moved to subdue him.


Nope. Take a hard look in your own mirror. Oh, that's right - you can't, because it's buried somewhere behind a floor-to-ceiling mountain of rubbish in your bedsit. Nevermind!

They can be invaluable, they can also cause the. crimes they're charged with preventing

Reports indicate encrypted chat networks were used to track federal agents before the incident, and Pretti was an active member of "ICE Watch".

Carrying a gun without proper ID is a crime, and interfering with law enforcement is another one.

When you combine being armed, obstructing officers, and inserting yourself into an active enforcement situation, you're creating a dangerous scenario that can end badly, but stupid leftards think they are above the law and do dumb ass $hit.... That's what happens when sanctuary cities refuse to enforce the law.


If he was really in the Army, it must've been as an extra in a low-budget movie. LoL

That deadbeat claiming to be in the Army is the funniest thing ever posted on this forum. The lies are strong, but the credibility is nonexistent.