USA News and Poland - part 19

People gathered on the streets of Tehran not to celebrate the death of Khamenei, but to express, so to speak, their condolences..

Iranians are calling for revenge after Khamenei's killing.
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Chants of "Death to America" echo in Yazd.
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The strikes was where it ended though, right? What if it will turn into a full blown war in the Middle East or civil war in Iran itself?

You need to work on your rightard reading comprehension lol Amiga500 and me were talking about Epstein files and not attacks on Iran.


Someone sharing an opinion isn't a "meltdown." 🤦

Imho you don't know who he really is and how far he'd like to go. I don't know that either. It's possible that nobody does. It's not like Hitler was openly announcing to the public what he's going to do once he gets totalitarian power...

You wrote earlier that you don't know what happened to Trump between 2019 and now. Well, he won his second term. It looks like this emboldened him. He thinks he can do more or less whatever he wants. Plus, his dementia is getting worse and that intensifies his malignant narcissism - his inhibitions are disappearing.

Narcissists behave like that also in romantic relationships. At first they're charming and are doing a lot of love bombing. They usually show you their true colours only later - once they have enough power over you. It often happens when a woman gets pregnant, for example - she's less likely to leave. Then the abuse starts.

The more power Trump has the more of his real face you'll see.

If there are a lot, name a few.


You post something like that and then actually get hurt when I call you stupid. Spot the difference, as they say, you can't compare apples and oranges. Okay, I will be mindful and spell it out for you.

The PRL regime was installed and controlled by a foreign power, namely the Soviet Union. The government in Iran is the result of internal processes, and regardless of whether you like it or not, it is an organic part of Iran and its sovereignty.

Majority of EU governments, Canada, Australia, Japan, etc.


So you wouldn't mind it getting toppled by the US?


OK, then I'll spell it out for you too - imagine Tusk's government loses next elections and they rig them to stay in power. Then they take over all the media, judiciary, all the institutions, they arrest and even execute people opposing the government, etc. They persecute the Catholic Church, religious people are getting fired from work, abortion "on a whim" is legal and promoted, homosexuals are allowed to get married and adopt kids, gay parades in every city, etc. In short - every right-winger's nightmare lol On top of that "Herr Tusk" wants to give back "Ziemie Odzyskane" to Germany :) Poles take it to the streets, they protest and Tusk controlled police kills them on spot. They're getting killed in hundreds or thousands even.

That would be a "home-grown" regime, "an organic part of Poland and its sovereignty," as you put it.

Now imagine the US would offer toppling Tusk's regime and turning the country back into a democracy.

Would you take up that offer? Would you support toppling Tusk's regime by the US? :)

There are always idiots in every country.

Right now, we have a few thousand Russian nerds going about the West, calling for Russia to be dismantled and punished.

There's probably a few hundred thousand - again, living mostly in the EU - who would certainly celebrate in the streets if Putin was killed by a missile tomorrow.

This creates for a good picture on CNN and the NYTimes, but doesn't give you an accurate understanding of attitudes within "core" Russia.

The same goes for Iran. It's a large country, of 90 million people, with a huge and wealthy diaspora.

If the bourgeois residents of Northern Tehran are celebrating, it doesn't mean that the sentiment is shared by conservative rural populations that are invisible in the media.

After Maduro's kidnapping, there was also a brief period of celebrations in Caracas. Even the toppling of some statues.

Now everything is once again quiet, as Chavista popular militias patrol the streets, and check people's phones for seditious content.

The portion of hardline Chavistas in Venezuela is said to be 20-30% of the population.

In Iran it's similar. Though they control approximately 80% of Iran's parliament, experts write that conservative hardliners (with their base in rural areas), more likely constitute up to 35% of the electorate.

These people won't disappear overnight.

What helped against the PRL and the CPSU, was that these two parties had completely lost the will to fight. The party bosses were nearly as excited about the new world opening up, as the protesters.

In Moscow, in a last ditch attempt, they fired some tank shells at the Russian Parliament building, Boris Yeltsin climbed on top of a tank - and it was suddenly all over.

I don't think that's the case with Iran's conservatives. They just killed at least 6,800 of their own people, and rolled back a nationwide protest movement.

That doesn't seem like a movement on its last legs. That seems more like Tianamen Square China, than Perestroika USSR.

They are much more strong than the PRL or Soviet government was, at the moment of their collapse.

Expert analysis, who manipulated stupid Trump to attack Iran: well their regional rivals - Qatar, Emirates, Saudis... I think she listed them all. 🤔

Rachel Maddow blames everyone in the Middle East: UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia for why Trump started a war with Iran

No mention of Israel though!

You know the country who helped us carry out the strikes!? United States the most propagandized country in the world

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Rachel Maddow did an entire monologue where she blamed just the UAE for Trump going to war for Iran

No mention of Israel or the Greater Israel project

United States is the most propagandized country in the world

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⚡️🔹Martyr Zahra Mohammadi Golpayegani, 14-month-old granddaughter of the Supreme Leader, who was martyred in the US and Israeli attack



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The girl obviously of Indo-European origin... she was.

Israel a nation of child killers.

We know that this was a successful first day of the war for all supporters of Democracy. The Ayatollah and his grandchildren were killed, 85 girls in a school...they have something to celebrate. A crazy new level of terrorism to which the public is purposefully getting used to, and the sheeple of consumers only support it.

a new level of terrorism. international state terrorism.

Big surprise! Persians are Indo European people.

If Trump's and Bibi's war plan consists of them carrying out two strikes with rockets and planes, and then for some people to rise up and overthrow the regime, I'm afraid they are in for an unpleasant sobering up. I have no doubt at all that 70% of Iranians despise the mullahs, but I also have no doubt that 90% of them do not want Israel and the USA to appoint their rulers.

Yes, I imagine. I don't know that much about Iran, but it's pretty logical to assume that if this regime stayed in power for so long then it has to have a fairly significant backing among the population and strong power structures... And it's not just about politics, it's a religious regime and people often view their religion as part of their identity, especially Muslims, I guess. People may be ready to kill and die for it.

That's why some time ago when BB was sharing his DDR perspective on this I knew it may not be entirely applicable to Iran, because in case of Iran it's a home-grown regime and religious at that. So that may be a different level of fanatism.

And that means killing government officials may not be enough, because they will be simply replaced by new ones.

The two rogue states attacking Iran and it's horrendous government don't care, they want to inflict as much damage as possible on the country's infrastructure and if people get in the way they don't care. They have form in this see the continuing genocide in Gaza. The mantra that Israel has a right to defend itself has been used to excuse the deliberate targeting of civilians and the infrastructure that supports life.

The illegal war of choice launched without an attempt to provide a justification is another nail in the coffin of the fabled rules based order. It will fail like all other imperial wars launched by the US, as you say functionaries will be replaced. It's sad that the death and destruction will go unpunished and the European lapdogs will trot along behind the US spouting hypocritical words about Ukraine.

The death of those few US invaders gets more publicity than the scores of murdered school girls. That's the hierarchy of humanity we live with and everyone in a position of power in the equal and democratic west is happy about it.

Supremely irritating.

Everywhere I see - "As alleged by the Iranian regime...", "No independent confirmation at this time...", "Alleged attack..."

How would you like it, if I dropped a bomb on your house, and then everybody "waited for independent confirmation" until they lost interest?

Tasnim (semi-official media group), has distributed dozens of photos. There are posts all over social media. For God's sake there are large mass funerals going on with thousands of mourners...

But because this is Iran, nobody cares nearly as much as about a report about the damage to a skyscraper in Dubai.

Same thing had been going on for years in Eastern Ukraine...

"Russia alleges there was a Ukrainian attack", "Separatist forces report a strike on a hospital - no independent confirmation", "State-run Russian news organization claims numerous civilian casualties", and so on and so forth.

I'm not sure what you're talking about - noone doubts that the attack on the school for girls happened, I've seen CNN reporting about it too and they were showing the body bags.

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Btw, with all this modern technology that the US and Israel have how on Earth did they hit a school for girls? WTF???

And who did it - Israel or the US?

This should be investigated and people responsible should be punished (yeah, I know it most probably won't happen under current administrations in both the US and Israel, but it should)! 🤬😭

Good for you, that you believe, but it's certainly a lot more people than "no one".


The school is on the other side of the fence of a naval base.

@Paulina Check out the BBC for example. I heard and watched Lyse Doucet one of their senior journalists excuse the attack on the girls school by saying it was close to an army base. Later I saw another BBC journalist post the same thing on their live feed. It's almost as though they were following a script.

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I think the whole point is that the Israelis proved that they would have no problem targeting a school full of female students if an important enemy general happened to be there visiting his daughter. I'm not saying that it happened, I'm just saying that this is just one more in a series of their wejustdon'tgiveaf**kforthechildrenofouropponents.

I'm watching American coverage of it, and it's the same. "Alleged", "uncorroborated", "multiple reports awaiting confirmation"...

Again - I'd like to see how they would feel - if their kid got buried under ten tons of concrete and we all waited for confirmation before recognizing their grief.

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It's enraging!

We are (Russians, Iranians, others) - complete neophytes and amateurs at this game you are so adept at in the West.

When we try to sell a lie - it's usually obvious to all.

We don't have a CNN, or MSNBC, or Fox News that will give our operations a sleek and polished look, fit for later adaptation to a Hollywood blockbuster.

We don't have the New York Times or the Washington Post - that will intellectualize and distill each conflict to a level where you can consume it safely over morning coffee.

So maybe we look like the poor relatives visiting from the village, when we try to tell a story - but at least we are not hypocrite vampires in the same way as you.

I can see how it works, while living here in America.

It was broadcast to the world thanks to very brave Palestinian journalists who have suffered terribly numbers are not exact but over 180 have been killed by Israel.

@Bobko
Leaders in the west don't care so long as their people are content. Their media is owned and run by billionaires who profit from the status quo. It's extremely rare to find a dissenting voice that is not ridiculed if the topic moves from football, fashion or food.

Such a myopic thing to do, for this little criminal state.

If they wanted to ensure that they can continue to exist in the region for another century - they would not be doing the things they are doing.

Every step Netanyahu makes to "ensure Israel's right to exist", brings closer and closer the country's doom.

People I am not a fan of, like Olmert, Sharon, and Perez warned that this guy was not just an enemy of Israel, but an enemy of all decent mankind. Now we see what they saw.

@Bobko
I have watched Israel move from plucky under dog to genuine genocidal rogue state in about 30 years. Sharon was not much different to Netanyahu he was responsible for the massacres of women and children in Beirut. The shift in perception I believe is due to the distance from the shoah plus the realisation that formerly persecuted people can be kunts just like anyone else. The basic facts of the colonial project are becoming known and people don't like it. Targeting journalists speaks for itself

Somebody needs to break it down and explain it to BB like one would to a five year old.

As an East German, he hates Leftists.

Also as an East German - he hates immigrants (through typical post-Warsaw Pact reactionary conservatism).

As a German - he feels guilt over what his nation did to them.

All this works together, to make BB blind to the things going on in Gaza, and what is happening now in Iran.

We have one BB here, but there must be millions in Germany. Millions in other places.

BB is one of the nicest people I had ever met on PF, so for me it's somewhat an emotional issue.

Wrong, they are not all good people.


Wrong question. Too much what ifs.
In reality, nobody toppled the PRL regime because nobody cared enough. Moreover, they were terrified due to the Soviet nukes. Aside from that, the idea of an attack on Iran is just another immoral act of warmongering by the U.S. on its path to hell.

I mean, countries don't go to hell; people do. Karma is already at work with the rise of wokeness. The levels of degeneracy, including issues related to LGBTQ, gender, and pedophilia, are unprecedented in the history of this country.

I am genuinely curious why you defend Persians?

Me and you are usually on different sides - but I noticed for some years that you have a weak spot for Persians?

Why?

What do you find there?

I am curious.

In England, on fixed broadcasts, crocodile tears are poured over poor Prince Andrew and they say why? Just because of some accusations without evidence.
Completely "normal" state of the country.

"It's gone too far, we're hounding Andrew for what? Raping a few girls no one had ever heard of?"

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Meanwhile the head of the World Economic Forum resigned due to ties to Epstein.

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Ah Crno, I see you are finding the good American accounts!

These guys will inherit MAGA, and make it what it should have been!

@Bobko
BB is a good guy alright he makes coherent arguments he just needs a bit of adjustment. I remember when he was not as pro Israel as he is now so there is hope.

@Crnogorac3
The British stat3 have thrown Andrew and Mandelson under the bus in an attempt to save the rest. It's as transparent as self cleaning glass.

Historically ~Persia and Poland had good relations.
Our (Poland's) interests do not extend that far.
Iran is a stabilizing factor in this part of the world and should be a pillar of peaceful development in the region.
Their old Persian civilization wasn't annihilated by Islam, hence they are different that others.
Also the US aggression on behalf of Israel doesn't constitute a bellum iustum.