USA News and Poland - part 19

@Ironside
Anyone chanting and living by the saying of "Death to America" is a threat. Every fvcking one of them should be turned into red paint. Fvck Israel, this is about payback for 47 years of terror. Iran people in the US are cheering for this.

Someone gets desperate....


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Spot on. This has nothing to do with Jews at all. I love how these hyperbolic Europeans just pull things out of thin air. If it's not "the Jews," it's Epstein. Give me a break already!

Ironside is too busy lecturing Americans about patriotism from 6,000 miles away to realize he has no idea how people here actually feel.


Ironside, you're not even American and you're lecturing Americans about what threatens our country and how our soldiers should be used. That's pretty rich. Maybe worry about Polish politics instead of pretending you understand ours.


Ironside, calling it a presentation or a lesson doesn't make it any less of a lecture. And tossing in insults about me being a peaseant just proves you've run out of actual arguments.

You sound just like Lazarus - jealous because I'm successful and you're not. lol

Great news: Jasmine Crockett and Al Greene both lost thier elections last night! Bye, bye Demorats....lol

AOC needs to go next, shes as dumb as a brick. Sorry, to all the bricks out there.

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Always remember:

Lock her up!
Build the wall!
Drain the swamp!
Clotshots are safe and effective!
Mexico will pay!
Inflation is defeated!
Foreign countries will pay the tariffs!
Epstein files are fake news!
America forced Israel to attack Iran!

Total idiots believed the lies.. and they still do.

So your big argument is just a copy-paste list of slogans followed by calling everyone idiots. Hahaha

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so if I routinely posted death to polamkrakow (or whatever your real name is) on PF you would hire a hitman to fly to kangaland to kill me and my family? that's a bit irrational ie completely nuts don't you think?
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One needs to distinguish between rhetoric and reality. intent and capabilities.

Also priorities of a country. S the money on the American people to stop the place becoming a shithole or pissing it up against the wall on another foreign war

reducing the deficit even geez it's not that hard

Well, I see that 20 years or more of Zionist propaganda worked well on you. Congratulations.
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On the other hand, you know exactly what I know and what I don't know. Because you are psychic. Give me a break, you sound like Captain Bombastic, i.e. retarded.
Aslo what people? You and your two mates are not everyone; you can't possibly speak for the whole population of the US. So shut up!
Boldly spewing nonsense that you, American peasant.
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WTF are you waffling about? Don't want to hear it, get lost. Who made you the judge here, eh?
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It is a fact, not an insult. You made a lot of empty claims. Do you feel better after patting yourself on the shoulder? Good. Now get lost and let grown-ups have their discussion.

@amiga500
I would do it myself if your words also came with actions from you. Nothing irrational about that at all.


Maybe it was living through the hostage crisis, and watching every US president since that time allow these towel heads to kill Americans and blow up American interests. Funny how not one of the other muslim nations in the middle east is talking badly about these actions isnt it? Strange how other countries are shooting down Iran missiles and drones before they can get to Israel or American positions.

Calling people peasants and telling them to shut up doesn't make you sound like a grown-up. It just shows you've run out of arguments.


Its funny how they are on our side except the PF leftists and the Democrats


They don't have a clue what we've had to endure over the decades.

Iran and its proxy groups have killed hundreds of Americans over the years. For example, 241 U.S. Marines were killed in the 1983 Beirut bombing, and the Pentagon says at least 603 U.S. troops were killed by Iranian-backed militias in Iraq. So the idea that Iran has never been a threat to Americans just isn't true.

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@Joker

If my dog is noisy, I tell him to shut up. Do you have a problem with that? You come here trying to boss people around, telling them who should say what and who shouldn't, while claiming they have no arguments-when your own points are just hot air for the most part. Grow up!
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How many U.S. soldiers were killed by Israelis? I assume you are old enough to remember it. Also, the number of Americans killed in the region is a testament to how the U.S. sticks its nose where it doesn't belong. Not to mention, killing foreign generals and officials is considered an act of war, something the U.S. has done on multiple occasions.
Relations are one thing, and it proves without doubt that Iran cannot reach American soil because it has no such ability. What kind of threat is that? Hence, your arguments are slogans from propaganda, as I said.

If you are saying USia shouldn't have a military presence in the ME, then I'd disagree. We are not there only because of Israel. A big part is the protection of vital energy resources in ME that are essential to not only America but the entire global economy. Europe benefits from this also.

Regardless, what we are doing with this war has very little if anything to do with the above. It's 100% bull. It has as much a chance of causing deeper instability in that region than not.

We benefited more when there weren't constant wars and instability in this region - 3 of them started by the US

No, I'm saying that losses in the region are the price being paid for American imperial policies. As such, they have nothing to do with the war with Iran and definitely can't be used as an argument or proof that Iran is a threat to the U.S.
Regarding the right and wrong of such policies or the presence of American forces in this part of the globe, I expressed no opinion; it is not the subject of my post.

War with Iran or Retarded Combat Operation ties American resources in this part of the world and, as such, leaves Poland exposed.

@cms neuf

See Ironside's reply for an example of a thoughtful and reasoned reply.

@Ironside

Point take. It's not only Poland left exposed-it's many countries, including USia, IMO.

While I think American Imperialism is, at times, overused, whatever this current policy toward Iran is, it certainly isn't because Iran is a threat to us...I completely agree with you on that point.

Reports that Iraqi Kurds have "boots on the ground" in Iran. Question that arises from this is just how long have we been planning for this?

Granted, having a plan doesn't mean you are going to do one thing or another...it might just be prep for a just in case moment. But, when were the Kurds told to get ready.

Also, this won't make Turkey happy.

Since high level Israeli consultants are on the record saying Turkey is a problem, one wonders if this is even bigger than Iran.

Its a neo-con world and we're just living in it

It depends if Iran is competent, and the big question is whether the Kurds will unite this time, or will it just be a few oddballs and mercenaries trying to stir things up. After all, the US F over Kurds twice already in a short period of time.
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At least three times if we count from 1991. Four times of you go back to the 70s.

After the Gulf War, Bush Sr. called on the people of Iraq to rise up against Saddam. The Kurds in the north, and the Shia in the south rose up. Then America proceeded to do nothing, as Saddam gassed them, shot them up from helicopters, and finally made millions of them flee into Turkey and Iran.

During the second Iraq War, they played the Kurds off against both the Sunni and Shia populations (all but ensuring that Kurds become an even more hated minority), and then when the Islamic State arose and swept through the entire north of the country - they again allowed many of them to be slaughtered.

Ditto for Northeastern Syria - where the abandonment was especially egregious (it's still unfolding).

Which part of my sentence wasn't reasoned or thoughtful ?

You are trying to justify senseless aggression that has been escalated dramatically since Golden Cow took power.

The US and Israel are both out of control, their own politics in the grip of lunatic religious and racist fringes.

And now you tell us that this is for Europe's benefit, though the externalities are all felt here - more refugees, inflation, volatile currencies, interrupted supply chains, and not to mention our own elected leaders having to spend all day dealing with MAGA ******** instead of mending our own roads and schools

I guess you didn't read the part where I said this war is 100% bull. I'm not justifying anything about this war.

If you have the capacity to comprehend details, you'll notice I said the benefit of US military presence in ME was to help protect the essential energy resources in the ME that the entire globe including Europe depends on. I further said that this war has mothing to do with that.

@Bobko

You know it is really bad when Russians are being sanctimonious about an invasion. 😂. (Take it easy...I'm only funning ya. )

Getting upset at people like the Spanish, for not supporting America's wars, which will result in more refugees for Spain, costlier energy imports, and an inevitable rise in terroristic threats...

AND...

Telling Europeans that they should vote out their governments that are committing "civilizational suicide"

AND...

Trying to annex parts of allied countries

AND...

Telling them that on top of all this, they should pay 15% tariffs and be happy that they're not heavier...

Makes me think that this policy direction was not very well thought out by American officials.

Something seems off with the sequencing, at the very least.

I think it was thought out under the duress of extreme hubris. This is the worst duress there is.

For the less intelligent among us, the word "duress" is being used poetically here.

China has drawn a red line and is calling for cut in refined oil exports.

Durex pect me to believe that ?

@cms neuf

I don't expect much, if anything, from you.

Aaah, "Der Hochmut is die eigentliche Krankheit des Menschen", as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said in 1998, in St. James' Basilica in Straubing. Pride might be the proper (or fundamental) disease of man in general, as the future Doctor of the Church rightly pointed out, however - one nation should never appropriate the favourite deadly sin of another nation to excessive extent. Pride was always the Polish specialty (of which we were partially cured by the wisdom of God). The USA should stick to America's own greed - that's quite enough, for "the love of money is the root of all evil" as the Good Book teaches us. No need to add pride to that. ;)


Sometimes I think your dad forgot to use one of these, Cms...

I think I may be misunderstood with my poetry. By saying the thought of this Iran policy was made under the duress of hubris, I mean we, or at least leadership making these decisions, have become so intoxicated by pride that their thinking has become controlled by this pride.

In other words, pride has caused this absolutely idiotic, immoral, and potentially ruinous action. Pride has set us on a course that is not good.

I am not in any way, shape, or form making excuses for the Trump admin. This war was the final straw that has completely separated my support for him. I am officially a political orphan-unfortunate.

As great poets are bound to be.

Pearls before swine and all that.

Sorry dude - I'm just in a good mood because perfect weather in Warsaw and a few glasses in the afternoon :)) trying to forget that the world is on fire !

@Bobko
When was the last time you were in Spain? Spain has fvcked itself voluntarily with refugee's. Blame the US for Spains policies? Fvck Spain and its communist PM. They wont raise their NATO spending to even 2%. The country politically is a bad joke.

American imperial policies? WTF are you morons smoking? When has the US taken land and kept it? How many times have countries begged for the US to get involved to save them or their people? All you leftist fvcktards would be begging for the US if Russia invaded Poland or any other NATO country.