2016 Presidential Elections in the US

At least he is somebody, not a complying, going with the flow, judgmental goodie two shoes that never helped anybody with anything.

Ironside I was joking... see the sentence I wrote right after that...

@JohnnyReb, those feelings which you and your kind are so intent on hurting belong to those disenfranchised who'll sooner or later (and not soon enough for this writer's taste) come back to haunt ya, and sooner rather than later, to BITE YA......WHERE IT F******N HURTS!!!

Cause and effect, my friend; you keep slingin' the manure my way and I get hit, before long, I'll throw it back atcha with dead aim:-)
If you can stand the stink, then ya got me, pardner.
LOL

It is hilarious to hear that the "rich people" are not paying their fair share of taxes to support the poor who have been hani capped to become government welfare slaves when they are the 48% of Americans that pay no income tax at all !
No, "WE" (Ironside, AdrianK9 and Johnny Reb) are all on the same page here.
Great to have Poland hear the truth from people who deal and PAY FOR IT every day in America.
President Trump will show people what real change is by making America great again.
President Hussain Obama and pet lacky Hillary can keep their change as it has become a disaster in destroying America.

So if President Trump can handle a knuck-to- bare knuckel revolution which'll make the 1776er look like a romp in the park, then he's got it!

Wish him luck! Me, don't think I'd have to stomach for it.

I don't know why there is this constant push for class and race warfare in the U.S. This is not healthy. I am for creating more equality but I am not for taking things by force. There are better ways to create a better society overall than the redistribution of wealth. Even in Soviet Russia and Maoist China, there were the haves and the have nots... and there always will be. We don't need millions executed or starved to death in the process - although Henry Kissinger would argue that we do.. and not just millions dead... 2 billion to be exact..

Taxing the rich even more is not the way to solve the inequality issue. The rich already pay a far greater share since we have a progressive tax. A progressive income tax is actually not a good long term strategy for the US as there is much income inequality. Progressive income taxes work a bit better in countries with higher degrees of income equality. Nonetheless, even an OECD study stated that a progressive tax is actually detrimental to overall economic growth. If you wanted to make the rich pay their 'fair share' you'd actually want to lower taxes or at the very least switch to a fixed rate system.

I know liberals don't really believe in the trickle down effect, but how about the Laffer Curve? Weirdly enough, Clinton was a big fan of it and actually George Bush Sr. was not.

I'm sure you know what the trickle down theory is but perhaps not the Laffer Curve. The laffer curve states that as tax rate increases so does tax revenue - seems pretty basic right and obvious. However, as the tax rate continues to rise there is point on the curve where it then begins to fall. (Imagine an upside down U with the axis being tax rate percent and the other being tax revenue) Meaning that after say 50% tax rate, for example, tax revenue will start to actually decline. This would be the peak on the upside U on the graph - like where it starts to go down after the middle.
The reason why is because instead of paying taxes, many individuals especially the wealthy will start to find other ways to keep their money and prevent the government from taking it. This can include moving to another country, not reporting income, using more loopholes, keeping investments offshore, and eventually not even wanting to work since their money is going to be taken away anyway. An example of this is US companies like Amazon moving abroad to avoid taxes, US citizens moving to Latin America for retirement or at least states with a low property tax, and French actors denouncing their French citizenship. This would be actually fine like in the case of Sweden where taxes are very high but people are very productive and the government actually provides for their citizens. The problem is, millions of Americans are lazy and unproductive.

Laffer noted that tax rates on work and investment fell in the '90s. "Under Clinton we had the biggest reduction in government spending in 30 years, one of the steepest reductions in the capital gains tax, a big cut in the tax on traded goods thanks to NAFTA, and welfare reforms which dramatically increased incentives to work. Of course the economy soared." Also, the whole tech and real estate boom helped the economy grow too - but aside from a few key issues in that presidency at least the macroeconomic tax part was at least managed the right way.

I will be honest with you. I work in sales and I have a rather high income for a young male that's only a few years out of college. I pay a high tax on my salary already because I am single and not married. Although my salary is rather average for an individual with a bachelor's degree, my income is rather large for my age group and education because of commissions. However, I pay nearly 40% tax on my commission because it is considered a luxury tax. I do not make $100k a year but yet I pay a tax on this part of my income as if I made over $400k a year. I can tell you if I was at least taxed at even 28.8% (what it use to be - it rose over 9% in 2015 to 37.4%) I'd be content. I would spend much more money I'd eat out more often (which employs food workers, farmers, ranchers, restaurateurs, distrubutors, truck drivers, etc) going out to the clubs more and spend more money while I am there (which employes bar tenders, hosts/hostesses, club owners, djs, busers, security), and I would buy a nice German car (meaning the government would get a higher amount of tax because naturally i'd spend more on a car). The more money I get to take home, meaning the less is taken out, the more I spend and more of that money goes into the economy. I save a percentage out of my check and invest a percentage - not a dollar amount but rather a percent. Most people manage their portfolios in that manner too - they don't say well I'll put in $20k in Apple, they say well I'll save 15% of my income or I want 10% of my check to go into a 401k. Due to the fact that taxes are so high, I inturn invest less money, am able to save less money for a home, have less of a disposable income while my fixed expenses stay roughly the same regardless of whether I made a lot of commission one month or made $0 in commission.

Does that change anything? You might not like it if I criticize your idol, but I'm still convinced that Trump is mostly hot air. He's trying to sell ideas that might look good on paper (he's a populist after all), but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Trump will not be able to deliver. His "make America great again" slogan simply cost too much and he will never be able to go against the big corporations and their shareholders. Not even talking about China here. They pretty much own the USA, so what will Trump do when he tries to introduce import taxes for products of American corporations that were manufactured in China, and they simply laugh at him? Throw a tantrum as usual?

Yeah, how does Trump square making AMERICA great again when he drives a FOREIGN car and employs low-level FOREIGN help at his various hotels???!

Somethin's wrong with this picture, guys, and the reception on my set ain't gettin' any better neither:-)

Honestly like most, I do agree with him but all what he says is that practical?I doubt that very much.

Told you that I am voting for Rubio in the primary, not President Trump.
I keep asking you who you are voting for but you seem to either be embarrassed by your idol or you are not a U.S. citizen.
Which is it ????????

Then why do you defend Trump? Rubio was able to kick his ass big time last night, because he knows that Trump isn't telling the (full) truth.

Because "Make America Great" is a catchphrase designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator. They simply don't know or understand that Trump's wealth comes from his father, who was a slum landlord.

What's astonishing is that Republicans north of the Mason-Dixon line really have no-one to vote for except Trump. Just shows how much the birthers, tea partiers and all the other groupings harmed the GOP, doesn't it?

I saw a few funny bumper stickers recently:

'REPUBLICAN.... because everyone can't be on welfare"

'I'll keep by freedom, guns, and money.... You can keep your change!'

'Keep your doctor, Change your president'

Ohh right. Im not going to attempt to try and make out like any country is great, because thats a ridiculous notion. Personal happiness and contentment with life is whats most important and i don't see how America being perceived as great or Britain being great has much bearing on that. Great in the sense that you're trying to refer does not have the people best interests at heart.

Patriotic fools always fall for such propaganda.

Which reminds me...

All you need is patriotic propaganda and a good war (or six).

Johnny Reb 1, Yose 0
Round two,
To honor our Constitution again instead of trampling on it by ignoring it.
Your turn Yose.


Trumps father gave him one Million and Trump turned it into several billion egg head.

Now that is just a plain stupid statement.
Besides Trump they have four others in the GOP and two other Socialists so actually they have six others to vote for besides Trump.
Better you stick to bashing the PiS Danny.


I might be voting for him in the General election.
So why do you belittle Trump ?
So who are you voting for TheOther or are you not a U.S. citizen ?

I believe he's dangerous for the country, or as the Mexican ex president Fox put it "He reminds me of Hitler".
huffingtonpost.com/entry/vicente-fox-trump-hitler_us_56d10f27e4b0bf0dab32445c


This is how a banned ex member, who came back under yet another user name, describes it:


I won't be voting this time because none of the candidates is trustworthy... ;)

I decided about two years ago to limit debates with retards on the internet, I'm not about to break that rule now.

I will say this though: the constitution has endured more butchery by the American people than the English language. Its misrepresentations and 21st century translations are quite impressive......considering agendas of those making the attempted connections.

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Building a wall to stop Mexicans crossing the border! have you ever heard anything so absolutely preposterous? What kind of idiots actually think thats a good idea?

Are you aware Johnny that the constitution was drafted by direct descendants of the British Empire, look them up mate everyone one of them was practically within a generation of high end British snobbery. They knew exactly how power and corruption will inevitably exploit a government, hence why that document was drawn up. The constitution was a master piece, if it was updated, translated and enforced in todays world with todays values it could bring about the revolution that we need.

Thats an awesome idea actually.

For example the right to bear arms was introduced to avoid the following.


In 1791 the right to bear arms to overthrow a tyrannical government may well have been an effective deterrent, but in the 21st century its not the case, so this amendment requires updating and translating to something like, i dunno: the right to turn off all power sources for the Elites and infect their debt control databases with fatal viruses. Or maybe to be able to vote in people with no connection to any existing power structures.

Can we chose our governments? no we cannot? The existing power structures chose for us.

Hahaha. No, he didn't :D

motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/09/donald-trump-has-lost-between-1-and-6-billion-over-his-business-career

He's one of the greatest self-promoters in American business history. But in terms of results, he's really nothing extraordinary.

I agree and I'm frankly amazed that others can't see this.


My thoughts entirely which is why I really hope he won't win. Bit by bit the US is imploding as it is, without a president who will try to divide and conquer on the grounds of ethnicity/race. Sends shivers down my spine tbh.

Sorry, I admit I reacted after reading only a one or two sentences from your post. No problemo amigo.
By the way your posts are waay to long. Just a friendly advice.


They might see it as a secondary issue. Primary it is about people being fed up with their political class that is seems less and less representatives of the people and their will and more and more servants of the evil ideology, fraudulent banksters and corrupt elite. In that way voting Trump expresses a popular emotion of sticking it to the man.

Well, these are the same people that thought that universal healthcare was evil.

And yes its evil, the premiums are shooting up like a rocket every year and increasing deductables.

Oh I can understand that people want change and let's face it, doesn't matter who's in power, they don't usually have the peoples' best interests at heart do they? So I can understand why he might appeal to certain sectors of society, namely those who are not the best educated and who will believe what they're told in my opinion.The gullible ones.
Those with slightly more between their ears than fresh air will look at what he's proposing and wonder how on earth he's going to keep his promises.

For example, let's take the signature proposal of his campaign, his wall.
Seven billion has already been spent on fencing and infrastructure along one third of the border, and it's costing the Department of Homeland Security millions to maintain this.
The border is almost 2000 miles long and runs through remote desert, mountains, and two thirds of it has rivers running alongside it. Those are just the geographical problems, then someone would have to sort out those pesky ranchers whose land runs through where it's planning to be built.
The cost of building a continuous wall from concrete is going to be enormous.
No wall is going to be impenetrable either. It could be tunneled under for example. It would need to be guarded, and in inhospitable areas, who is going to do that?
What happens to the Mexicans who manage to breach the wall? Is it going to be a shoot to kill policy?

If he wins the presidency, I've no doubt the wall will get started, but I seriously doubt it will ever be finished. It will be one of the biggest money pits to go down in history.
If you want a laugh, look at these links :-

washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/so-how-high-will-donald-trumps-wall-be-an-investigation/

nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/

The funny thing Chemikiem - even East Germany had plans to completely remove the physical Berlin Wall by 2000 or so. They rightfully predicted that technology would allow them to control access to the border area far easier than in 1980 - so someone wanting to use 1960's solutions in 2016 is clearly appealing to the lowest of the low information voters.

I suspect this 'wall' will be forgotten about after the Republican conference.

Still, the figures don't lie. The vast majority of believers in President Trump are badly educated.

Then quit asking me smart ass questions that you don't want to debate.

I agree however this is always the case.

Mexico for one as they built a wall on their southern border for the same reason and if I remember correctly that China built a little one too that if you try to cross you get shot.

Yes but our Muslim President Hussain Obama has bastardized it by ignoring it with all his executive orders that it is becoming meaningless.

I agree with you on that 100%, the new United States President has already been decided.

This is WHY it is imploding because that is EXACTLY what President Hussain Obama has been doing sister.
Pay attention.
He has turned Muslims against Christians, Blacks against the police, Blacks against Whites, Gays against Christians, Christians against gays, poor against the rich.......where have you been.

That is EXACTLY why he is leading in America.

Obama Care was designed to fail. Go read for yourself why it was.

I would vote for this in a heartbeat as it would cure the problem within a week once word got out that you were going to be used for target practice by ex marines who needed a job when they got back home from combat. :-)
I really can't understand why Trumps wall is such a great concern by Europeans as they will not have to pay for it, it does not threaten their security of a terrorist smuggling a dirty bomb into their country yet they get so negative on the positive that it will do for the U.S.A.
It's almost like they are jealous.

How can it be when it's the flagstone of his campaign ;)


I think so. He appeals to some people because it seems as if he is going to actually 'do' something for the people, but those with brains know it's all hype and promises that just won't be delivered on.
My cousin lives in Texas and has been in the states for 30 years now, but no way is she voting for Trump.

With what, a spear? that was built in 700 BCE mate to stop invading armies, the US has a few poor people trying to earn a living.