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2016 Presidential Elections in the US



TheOther
24 Mar 2016  #991

I honestly feel America is the best country and the other countries aren't as good.

In how many countries have you lived to come to that conclusion? Being patriotic is one thing, but the above is simply ignorant.

delphiandomine
24 Mar 2016  #992

You think he's ever left his county?

Lyzko
24 Mar 2016  #993

Johnny, because I call it as I see it (and not the way you THINK it is!!!), you dare to wave a Confederate flag in my face and call me "unpatriotic"??? Maybe I'm complaining because I care deeply. My country right or wrong, huh??

You're as much of a Nazi as Trump:-)

johnny reb
25 Mar 2016  #994

America WAS (perhaps) the "greatest country in the world" from around the end of WWII up through 1963, when the US was culturally, socially and morally still on an upswing!

WAS........PERHAPS..... Those are YOUR unpatriotic words, not mine.
Say them in front of a returning Vet and see if he/she just waves a flag in your face.
Maybe I'm complaining because I care deeply.

Then you shouldn't post such unpatriotic crap.
I wish they would bring back the draft as that would fix all you complaining whiny liberal b*tches.

AdrianK9
25 Mar 2016  #995

I love the US - don't get me wrong. I love Poland more because that's where I was born and the country I identify as 'home' but that's different.

Everything that the US stands for makes it the best country on Earth though - strongest military, largest economy, freedom, the Constitution, etc. However, people like Obama, Hillary, Rahm Emmanuel, Kissinger, Ed Murray, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and groups like AIPAC are destroying this country. It's like Obama tried to do everything he possibly could to weaken the economy and turn this into a socialist country. Now Hillary is going to pick up where he left off. The US is still the richest, most powerful country in the world - however at this rate were going to be looking up to Russia and China in a few decades. There are many things like life expectancy, healthcare, education, freedoms, etc. where the US does not rank very high - but that's because of the way the country has been ran since the 60's. We are not competitive in many areas. Even our freedoms and rights are now being challenged and gradually taken away - first to go is the right to bear arms, then freedom of speech with all this PC nonsense, and eventually personal property. Due to these reasons, the US is gradually becoming not the best country to live in. If Hillary becomes president I truthfully am making plans to move out.

US News ranked Germany as the number 1 country... I guess yeah if you like multicultural socialist utopias...

Here's a debate on this topic that shows both arguments:
debate.org/opinions/is-america-the-best-country-in-the-world
usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-01-20/what-country-is-no-1-not-the-us

Lyzko
25 Mar 2016  #996

I see, so noone except for Johnny The Great is allowed to express disagreement, huh?

Don't you believe that a country can be great, yet for reasons other than those espoused by other Homer & Bart Simpson types???

When I sing America's praises abroad, I tell my Polish, German and French friends about Walt Whitman, Samuel Barber, George Inness and other great American-born artists, painters and musicians!!!

AdrianK9
25 Mar 2016  #997

The US is the greatest country in the world if we're going by military and economy. The fact is, the US has the largest most powerful military and the largest economy by GDP.

However, many of the ideas that make the US the greatest country in the world and the land of the free - like the Constitution, Bill of Rights, freedom of speech, right to bear arms, etc. are being threatened everyday by unpatriotic liberals. Now they even want to allow convicted felons to vote so the Dems can get more votes.

The US however is behind in education and health care if we're talking about this in a very general, overall view. Nonetheless, many Europeans, where the schools are overall rated as having a higher level of education, like even Poland, nonetheless dream of attending US universities like Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, etc. Same with healthcare - many Americans go to other countries to seek cheaper healthcare but if you can afford it the healthcare is the best in the US. That's why rich Arabs and Asians, like the Japanese for example where there is a ban on organ transplants, come to the US for healthcare. For the average person, yes healthcare and education may be better in other countries but if one can afford it and wants nothing but the best, they come to the U.S.

The Don's slogan is 'Make America Great Again!' because the US, again in a general view for the average citizen, had much better overall education, healthcare and economy when compared to the rest of the world several decades back. Pushing things like Common Core and raising the capital gains tax is not going to help the average family make America more competitive on the world stage.

dolnoslask
25 Mar 2016  #998

"The US is the greatest country in the world if we're going by military and economy." very true Adrian, but it is all based on foreign indebtedness and the petro dollar, one day China and the rest of the creditors are going to pull the plug and dump the petrodollar.

AdrianK9
25 Mar 2016  #999

Yes they will. You are absolutely right about that. The Fed has created several bubbles - recently the dot com bubble, then when that burst the real estate bubble, then when that burst the stock bubble. However, the dollar itself is a bubble. There is nothing physical supporting the dollar - no gold, no silver, nothing. The only thing that props up the dollar is that it is an international currency. The Chinese, Iranians, Russians, South Koreans, and several other Asian countries want to create a currency similar to the Euro which would basically be a basket currency. Once this happens, the dollar's value will plummet.

One of the reasons why Qaddafi, one of my favorite modern politicians I may add, may have been murdered, arguably, is because he wanted to create a currency called the Dinar. He though it was unfair that oil was bought and sold in dollars - which did not benefit his country or other petroleum exporters (aside from the US of course). So, he spoke to the politicians and finance ministers of various African and Arab countries, especially the oil exporters, regarding creating a new currency - the Dinar by which oil from importers would be purchased. They thought it was a great idea and it would really help their economies, which would have. Qaddafi really upset the West, especially US and France, many times before this but many feel that this was the last straw and the reason for why Libya was invaded and Qaddafi murdered.

The US is waning in power and is losing a lot of respect around the world. Obama certainly didn't help our international reputation. Now, China, Russia, and Iran are realizing that the US really isn't as strong as previously perceived. Soon, there will be a basket currency which replaces the dollar and once that happens the US economy will go kaput. It more than likely won't be the total demise of the US once this happens, but it will have an enormous effect.

What compounds the problem is the staggering debt that the US has amassed - doubled under Bush, then tripled under Obama. It can only be so long before this situation gets totally out of hand and cannot be fixed. We may one day be in a situation like Greece where we can only pull $20 a day out of the ATM.

dolnoslask
25 Mar 2016  #1000

But the trumpster being a businessman first will understand all about the dangers over indebtedness and he will work towards changing this albeit a hard up hill battle.

The career politician is not interested in the country or its finance, he/she is only interested in lining his/her own pockets during their period of tenure.

Szalawa
25 Mar 2016  #1001

I will not say Trump is a perfect match, but I would say he is the best choice.

AdrianK9
25 Mar 2016  #1002

Trump won't win this election though - there's too many people blindly supporting Clinton. It boggles the mind because she is the most scandalous candidate - that's not even a debate. I don't know if people just don't know (which I'm assuming isn't the case unless you live under a rock or never watched the news) or just don't seem to care which I think is the case.

I'd love it if Trump run for governor of some state and won. I'd totally move there if that happened. I have a feeling if he doesn't win the presidency that may be end of his political career though.

The career politician is not interested in the country or its finance, he/she is only interested in lining his/her own pockets during their period of tenure.

Plus the prestige and contacts that come with being a politician. These politicians are only in it for making themselves rich. They actually don't make an enormous salary but live like multimillionaires. There's a senator that use to live a few blocks away from me (he might still I'm not sure) - Mark Kirk. The official salary for a senator is $174,000 a year - pretty nice sum. However, on that salary there is no way he could afford the house he lives in and all his toys. My father makes more than that yet lives in a much smaller home and has only 2 cars - a contractor van that's falling apart and a lower end Mercedes SUV that cost around $35k-$40k.

I remember when I saw Hillary on TV saying that her and Bill were broke. I wish there was a law that said politicians must be hooked up to a lie detector anytime they address the public or give a speech.

dolnoslask
25 Mar 2016  #1003

"Trump won't win this election though" That would mean america has gone full libtard, not good for the rest of the world.

AdrianK9
25 Mar 2016  #1004

That would mean america has gone full libtard, not good for the rest of the world.

It has unfortunately. We've been debating Trump, Clinton, Cruz, Bernie, etc. and no one even attempts to debate that Clinton is by far the most scandal ridden. She should really be in prison.

Clinton's strategy whenever she gets caught up in some lie or scandal is as following:

1. Deny, deny, deny
2. Shift blame to Republicans.
3. Silence and intimidate whistle blowers through threats, jail, investigation by the IRS, etc.
4. Wait till the media focuses on something else
5. Repeat steps 1 to 4 if said scandal/lie is brought up again

I honestly will make plans to move out of the country if Clinton wins. One of the best ways to become wealthy is by saving money and investing it. Her capital gains tax plan is going to severely damage the economy as a whole but also in terms of microeconomics this tax plan severely limits social mobility especially for young, ambitious individuals that make sacrifices like not living it up off credit cards and instead save and invest their money. Every individual that has a employee stock purchase program and plans to hold those stocks between 1 and 6 years will be negatively affected. So much for only making the 1% pair their 'fair share.' The sad thing is that there is NO CHANGE to the capital gains tax for investments held under 1 year which is how the corporate types high up on the ladder and investment bank traders and brokers make most of their money - it's not from salary.

delphiandomine
25 Mar 2016  #1005

We've been debating Trump, Clinton, Cruz, Bernie, etc. and no one even attempts to debate that Clinton is by far the most scandal ridden.

It's really a sad reflection on the mess that the Republicans are in. If they could only put up a moderate candidate against Clinton, then he/she would probably win by miles.

Wulkan
25 Mar 2016  #1006

Trump will do the job

AdrianK9
26 Mar 2016  #1007

If they could only put up a moderate candidate against Clinton, then he/she would probably win by miles.

Well, they tried with Cruz but it didn't work out so well. The GOP is in decline and quite frankly I don't like the GOP because it's just more of the same old same old. The GOP is still part of the 'system' despite what they say. They talk about abortion, gun control, and other distractions instead of focusing on how they're going to reduce the debt, fix social security, fix our healthcare system, and other stuff. Really both parties waste way too much time on issues that can be discussed once the major issues like economics, healthcare, infrastructure, etc. are worked on. For now, abortion, marijuana legalization, etc. should take a back seat.

I prefer the GOP because I prefer their candidates' stances on taxes and economics but in terms of certain social issues I prefer the Democrats. However, I feel that they spend way too much tax payer money.

I mean really the GOP and Democrats are essentially just two puppets controlled by the same puppet master - it's still the old guard, the same old exploitation, same old b.s.

AdrianK9
26 Mar 2016  #1008

Trump will do the job

Trump is EXTREMELY popular and perhaps he would even win the election if we went by total votes. I'd love to see him win - believe me. If he doesn't win, I'd love for him to run for governor of some state and if he wins I bet a ton of his supporters would move there.

However, since we go by an electoral college, Clinton and the dems have the advantage. A lot of people say 'Oh if Trump wins I'm moving to Canada! or If Hillary wins, I'm moving to Canada! Well, I am being honest when I say that and I'm in a position where it wouldn't be an issue - I'd move to Poland though. I have an international business degree, I speak fluent Polish, I have family there, I have a property there, and all I'd need to do is find a job which even when I've applied online to some jobs in Poland just to see if I could get them and I got 2 offers. So yes, you can bet if Hillary wins I'm out of here.

The two main beefs I have with Hillary are as follows:
1. She's a criminal for Christ sakes. She's robbed the White House, turned the Lincoln bedroom into a bed and breakfast, she's destroyed Libya and got Americans killed in the process, she has constantly been accused of misapprorpriating campaign funds, Bill pardoned convincted Puetro Rican terrorists who killed Americans in the 70s during the Puetro Rican independence movement so that Hillary could get support from the large Puetro Rican community in NYC for her Senate race, she's made 10,000% ROI on cattle futures despite having no investment experience because of her contacts at Tyson, and countless other scandals and lies that we both know and don't know about.
2. One of the best ways to become wealthy in this country and earn real 'F**k You' money so that you're not a slave to your boss is by saving and investing your money. I have been frugal my entire life and have worked and saved and worked and saved. One of the reasons why I was successful and managed to gather quite a bit of savings and have no student loans, no credit card debt, no mortgage, no card payments, etc. (I have yet to meet someone that isn't a millionaire and has no loans/debt). Hillary's extreme raise of the capital gains tax is going to greatly limit social mobility and hamper chances for individuals that work, save, and invest their money to become wealthy and retire early. She says it's to limit 'quarterly capitalism' but that's a total lie because she's kept the capital gains tax exactly the same as it is right now for those who hold investments under 1 year. So basically, this isn't going to affect day traders, investment bank brokers, and the same billion dollar investment banks and corporations that she's trying to reign in. Most millionaire executives make the majority of their income from investments - not really their salary in many cases. So this isn't going to hurt those corporate millionaires but it will hurt the employees of those corporations who participate in employee stock purchase programs, the families that buy short termannuitites/CDs - like 5 year ones, people who own mutual funds and blue chip stocks, and your average non-millionaire investor who will typically hold a stock for around 2-3 years before selling. Most investors use 150 day moving averages to determine when to sell their 'long term' investments. Hillary considers a long term investment something that's over 6 years according to her capital gains tax plan. She fails to realize that yes, although her capital gains tax plan WILL raise taxes in the short term, in the long run it's going to greatly hurt investment in the US and hence hurt the economy which of course ultimately will gradually decrease the amount of taxes collected too. People will move their money into investments where 1/3 to nearly 1/2 their profit isn't going to for taxes. A lot more money is going to go offshore. There's no point in saving and investing your money if you're going to get taxed so hard on the profits - an investor, millionaire or not, is going to look for new ways to keep more of his profit including myself. The under 1 year to 3 year term was great under Bush, bearable under Obama, but under Hillary it's just insane. Even the income taxes need to get lowered too but Hillary said she does not want to change taxes. I currently pay 37.4% tax on the commissions I make as a salesman. It use to be I believe 28.8% - it went up 9%. So if I'm expecting a $6,000 commission check in a month, I use to see maybe around $4,300 or so after taxes - now I see around $3,700 - around a 10% or $600 difference. This is called 'luxury' tax but I'm not a millionaire. I don't even make 6 figures at my current job - close but I don't break it. I save a lot of my money and put 10% of my income (the max my company allows) into the employee stock purchase program because we get it at a 10% discount. Now I think I may have to sell it the day after the company does the purchase because there's no point in me holding it for 1-2 years because the rate for that bracket will be exactly the same tax rate as investments held under 1 year. It's mind boggling that an investment can be taxed at the same exact rate whether it's held for 1 day or 700 days.

TheOther
26 Mar 2016  #1009

if we went by total votes

Yep, the good old national popular vote doesn't count much, as we've seen in the past already.

johnny reb
26 Mar 2016  #1010

Yep, the good old national popular vote doesn't count much,

If you had your U.S. Citizenship who would you vote for ?

TheOther
26 Mar 2016  #1011

Not again, Johnny.

Wulkan
26 Mar 2016  #1012

If you had your U.S. Citizenship who would you vote for ?

He'd probably vote Sanders but as you can see he's a bit shy about it, just like many of his kind.

TheOther
26 Mar 2016  #1013

as you can see he's a bit shy about it

If you would use your brain for once and would've have followed this thread, Wulkan, you would have seen that I've answered his questions more than once already. You and Amanda make a really nice couple. Why don't you two ride into the sunset and visit her home in the Free Republic? LOL!

Lyzko
26 Mar 2016  #1014

Wulkan, what job exactly is Trump expected to do? He's already antagonized his own party, he has no agenda, his bite is in fact as bad as his bark and bluster, furthermore, his racist, mysgonist views are completely out of step with contemporary politics!!

What can you honestly say about the man, save for being the eternal provocateur on this forum (..along with Mr. Johnny Reb)?

johnny reb
26 Mar 2016  #1015

you would have seen that I've answered his questions more than once already.

Why are you not voting then. You aren't going to vote then you don't have squat to say about it son. Enjoy the sunset.
his views are completely out of step with contemporary politics!!

Exactly, he has flushed Political Correctness down the toilet and that is what has you libtards shorts in a knot.

Wulkan
26 Mar 2016  #1016

If you would use your brain for once and would've have followed this thread

I have better things to do in my life than sitting whole day long on this forum, forgive me my lack of nerdness LOL

Wulkan, you would have seen that I've answered his questions more than once already.

And since you don't want to answer this question again so I can know it without reading all your previous posts means you're not too confident about it.

You and Amanda make a really nice couple

Who's Amanda? your mum? No, thanks.

Wulkan, what job exactly is Trump expected to do?

Turning ISIS to ashes, bringing jobs back from China, stopping people from illegally crossing Mexican boarder... shall I continue? the list is long.

his racist

Care to tell us why is he racist? or you just bluntly repeat what you red in New York Times?

TheOther
26 Mar 2016  #1017

Why are you not voting then

Let me repeat as slow as possible for our senile members: ............ e...x...p...l...a...i...n...e...d ........... t...o ............. y...o...u ........ b...e...f...o...r...e ............... LOL!

so I can know it without reading all your previous posts

Well, looks as if you will never know then.

Enjoy the sunset.

Nah, don't want to disturb you and your little boyfriend, Amanda... :)

Wulkan
26 Mar 2016  #1018

Well, looks as if you will never know then.

I guess I can live with that :-))))

TheOther
26 Mar 2016  #1019

There you go... ;)

Lyzko
26 Mar 2016  #1020

Saying that those south of the border are thieves en masse is racist, dude!!


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