2016 Presidential Elections in the US

Quite, TheOther!

Guess John Q. Public still enjoys getting dirt thrown in his face, just as since time immemorial:-)
Again, all those out there who are voting for Trump 'cuz they're sick and tired of being sick and tired of runaway immigration and being low-balled to death by those South of the Border especially, are gonna have a RUDE AWAKENING one of these days.

Reality bites... and this one's got fangs!!!!

It wasn't meant that way.
I was referring to people finally waking up and seeing thru Trump and Clinton.
Sanders is a Communist and Clinton is a Criminal so no, it wouldn't be something America wants or needs.
What do ya think of Paul Ryan and Bernie Sanders in the general ?
Think they could clean up this runaway immigration problem and being low - balled by other countries ?

"....SOCIALIST..", Johnny Reb! There's a BIG difference:-)

Communism believes in the absolute division by the state of property collectively aka COMMUNally, whereas socialism simply believes that ALL citizens, not merely the "chosen few", are entitled to basic medical care, employment and decent housing!!

The reason among many that your nemisis Roosevelt The Bogeyman was so reviled by the Right (and remains so to this day) was/is that he tried to actually reward the working man, that is, the man or woman who lived by dint of their labor (not merely their cleverness), the doctor, the lawyer, the professor, the manager etc., all those whom Dolnośląsk referred to here on this Forum as basically disposable drones.... vis-a-vis the investor, robber baron or those born to inherited wealth, not solely the self-made millionaire etc...

You first have to understand the facts, my friend, before you so blithely seek to comment on them:-)

In addition, DON'T delete my future messages, private or other; you're in mortal danger of learning somethingLOL

I prefer Communist thank you.

Don't tell me what to do.
I am not one of your high school students that you can order around and try to brainwash with your shallow liberal views.
Realize that Ronald Reagan was brilliant with his Reaganomics which stimulate this country like never before in your life time.
We need another great President like him to make America great again.
It's gonna take a lot of fixin' after eight years of the destruction of Obummer.
Trump is going to sweep New York picking up a huge amount of delegates.

I believe that Sanders would ruin the country once and for all. He's worse than the lefties in Europe, and that means something. Of all the GOP folks out there, Ryan would probably be the only one I could live with for the next four years. Although -- coming to think of it -- he seems to be somewhat obsessed with the ideas of Ayn Rand, which kind of worries me. But then ... in a race between Ryan and Sanders (or Trump and Sanders), Bernie will most likely win. So maybe Hillary isn't such a bad choice after all? Dunno. This election is the most chaotic I've ever seen.

Amen, TheOther! Johnny's just deluded, not to mention PIG ignorant (oink-oink!!) Anyone who merrily confuses communism with socialism, is quite simply not operating within the parameters of reality:-)

And by the by, Johnny Boy, I teach college, not highschool. Some places still require a standard, or as a tough Texan, d'you side with Gov. Perry that higher education's "overrated"??

Watch him wriggle outa this oneLOL

Nothing to wiggle out of.
Post #1082 by Adrian already answered that in detail.

Oh pity, I mean pitiful. See Europe what "quality" we have teaching our children.
No wonder America has slipped so far behind in the world.
Have you ever read the Rush Revere Books on American History ?
All History teachers at junior colleges should read the whole series of them so they can teach the truth.

Oh Please Don't!!!

Last thing we need is the Limey Lounge telling us how to run our county again!!

Amazes me how Socialist communist drones who have never run a Business or worked in the real world think that they can sit a top of their academic qualifications and bleat about some kind of perfect new world (libtard,commie, social) order, they need to consider getting out of the academic institutions and get a proper job to find out how the real world works if they get involved in political comment or activism.

This is what sets the trumpster apart from most (not all) of the libtard politicians, he knows how to balance the books and live within his means and yes he may have a few tricks up his sleeve but he will use them to build a stronger America.

To go bankrupt once might be regarded as unfortunate; doing it twice looks careless; doing it three times gives the appearance of being at best somewhat dodgy; going bankrupt four times tells the world you're a moron. Remind us what the number of Trump bankruptcies currently stands at. Or are you ignorant of that little fact?

"bankrupt four times tells the world you're a moron" It,s ok in business to borrow greedy banksters money to start a new risky venture, the borrower takes a risk and the lender takes a risk in the hope of making huge profits. Sometimes it goes wrong and the speculators lose their money.

The trumpster knows this. As long as he gets it right the majority of the time then he is winning the game, he could apply his wining formula to America Inc , and if some foreign investment speculators lose their cash along the way then so be it, as long as America is the long term winner.

How man times Sanders and Clinton bankrupted? 0, How many times they tried to run a business? 0.

Remind us of "how many" businesses and business loans Trump has made.
Many of them involving multi millions $$$$$.
And to go bankrupt on ONLY four of them........big deal, anyone with a brain would know that is just a part of doing business in such volume.

The are incapable of doing that so they teach.
Those that can do it, do it, those who can't do it teach it.

Certainly helps of course if you inherit millions from a slumlord father.

Certainly helps of course if you inherit millions from a slumlord father.

Yeah or if you are like Cameron who inherited his fathers millions avoidance trust (Blairmore Holdings Inc.) and moved it off shore to avoid paying taxes to the U.K.
That is why I never point fingers. lol

Legally, honestly, respectably. No slums involved.

Cameron's own words about off shore tax avoidance................
"Some of these schemes we have seen are quite frankly morally wrong," he said.

Slums are legal.
Trump is guilty of nothing besides ignoring Political Correctness.

And what? Has he done it himself? No.

Well, actually....

'The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money. '

Do you know who said that? Margaret Thatcher - someone who the Soviets called the 'Iron Lady' She even looked like a biatch.

I don't agree with much of her foreign policy but one thing is certain that domestic wealth rose quite a bit under her leadership. The liberals and feminazis hate her and call her greedy and selfish because she would say things like 'Homeless? It is not the government's job to house you' and end subsidies for dying markets as well as reduce dependency on the government.

Imagine that... the government not being responsible to feed, house, and provide for able bodied adults and their children? What a novel idea!

The idea that going bankrupt is 'just a part of doing business' really shows what's gone wrong in America.


The problem with repeatedly going bankrupt when you make mistakes in business is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.

The difference is, Trump declared Chapter 11 four times. He did everything within the confines of the law. Furthermore, his companies were not bailed out by taxpayers. All of the companies that went bankrupt were either in the casino or hotel industry or both like in the case of Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts. As we all know, the casino and hospitality industry has not been doing so well in the past 25 years and Atlantic City was almost a ghost town in the 80s and 90s. For the most part, he simply gave up his stake in the business to gain more favorable interest or even wipe out a portion of the debt. Also, last time I checked the Trump Plaza Hotel and the Taj Mahal Casino are still open. Furthermore, he declared Chapter 11 - which is more of a reorganization of debt than an actual bankruptcy - so the employees continued working and business went on - this wasn't a Chapter 7 bankruptcy which ceases business operations.

Unlike the banks and the auto industry, tax payers did not have to bail out Trump or any of his businesses. He simply shifted ownership - and in many cases the lenders allowed him, and even wanted him, to stay as CEO or other high ranking executive position since they knew he was a savvy businessman and would run the business. I forgot which business it was, but he remained as CEO and agreed not to earn a salary. Another one of the reasons that Trump still had control of the properties and they continued to operate is that the banks first gave him a 'junk bond' type loan, which were extremely popular in the 80s and early 90s, but ultimately had to give him a better rate if they ever wanted to get their money + interest.

Quite frankly, if filing chapter 11 allowed me to finish grad school, get a ton of student loans, then declare bankruptcy so I don't have to pay them off and the only consequence I'd really have is a bad credit score for 10 years, which I pay cash for everything anyway, you bet I'd do it.

Considering all the companies, properties, and other assets that Trump has - 4 chapter 11 bankruptcies in a multi billion dollar portfolio is not a huge deal. At least with the Taj Majal deal he was simply overextended, was paying some 14% interest, and quite frankly Atlantic City wasn't what it is now. The reason why he declared Chapter 11 on the Taj is because he missed his first interest payment. If only all people would call their mortgage or car payment company to renegotiate terms after missing their 1st payment...

Without the court documents, it's hard to determine if Trump was just taking advantage of the law or his lenders since they were in a more precarious situation than him - I'm assuming it was a combination of both.

You know who else filed Chapter 11? Texaco, Delta Airlines, Chrysler, General Motors, Washington Mutual, United Airlines - all of which are still operational... The problem is, a lot of these people who whine and say Ahh Trump's a bankrupt - he's a terrible businessman - he's been bankrupt four times - yet they won't bother to do some research to find out what type of bankruptcy it was, how it affected the US taxpayer - if at all, if these businesses are still open or not, etc.

Respectable. Not.

He didn't take any taxpayers money or run out or any one else's money for that matter. Chapter 11 reorganizes your debt - it doesn't mean that you don't owe any and that you need to be bailed out.

You can bet that under Trump we're not going to give $250 million to a failing 'green' energy company plus $125 million in tax credits (think A123 battery), then allow it to go bankrupt anyway, and end up purchased by the Chinese for $256 million... pathetic..

That same Chinese company, Wainxang bought bankrupt Fisker automotive - another recipient of Obama's failed bankrupt green energy programs. In this case, Fisker received an over $500 mil line of credit - but it was sold at bankruptcy auction for $149 million...
We actually use to have a Fisker dealership near my house - some of the wealthier yuppies would buy them - think of it as an overpriced Tesla that is prone to break down and catch on fire - with only 30-50 miles on all electric. Consumer Reports did a test drive of one and stated it was the first time in history that the car broke down and couldn't be restarted before they finished their test drive - the test car had 200 miles on it. $130,000 piece of garbage.

I don't recall Trump ever losing hundreds of millions of taxpayer money or laying off 75% of his workers during a Chapter 11.

All perfectly correct, but none of it changes the fact that Trump expected other people's money to be spent on his mistakes. And the problem with doing that is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Dolno, America needs a LEADER, not a banker or an accountant!! While Bernie's hardly the answer, neither are Trump or Cruz:-)

Hillary's up to now the sole centrist of the bunch and we need someone like her to finally tame the Wall-St. banksters! She's desparately trying to shed her image as the defender of those people and show that her heart lies with Main St.

A tough sell, but she's man enough to pull it off!!!

Spot on. A certain type of person is attracted to populist demagogues like Trump (and to an extent Sanders) but when it comes to voting, people tend to stick with the moderates.

I don't think you understand what happens under Chapter 11. Trump was financed using junk bonds - by banks. Once he was unable to pay the interest, he gave up his own personal share to attain more favorable lending terms. Trump didn't take any money from any taxpayer or any other individual - the only people that lost on this were the banks since they had to provide a better interest rate - kind of like an average person would do when they refinance their mortgage. Since with Trump's case, were talking about a much larger loan, he gave up his shares so the banks didn't really lose since they got a stake in Trumps businesses. No one ever had to bailout Trump and no one ever had to gave up a portion of their paycheck due to Trump's mistakes - the same can't be said with Obama and his investments in companies that ended up going bankrupt and sold off to the Chinese.


Are you even familiar with Hillary's capital gains tax plan? Her plan wouldn't help 'main street' people at all. She claims that she wishes to fight 'quarterly capitalism' yet her capital gains tax plan makes NO CHANGE on investments held under 1 year. However, the tax rate for investments held from 1 to 6 years - the period which 'main street' people hold their stocks, mutual funds, hold assets from employee stock purchase plans, etc. WOULD ALL INCREASE. How is she saying that she's going to fight wall street's quarterly capitalism yet the only capital gains tax rate that she plans on increasing is for investments held between 1 to 6 years - these are the types of investments held by upper middle class families putting away for retirement, college tuition, etc. Meanwhile, the capital gains tax rate for day traders would remain exactly the same. In fact, under her proposal, a day trader that holds an investment for 1 day would pay the same rate as a participant of an employee stock purchase plan holds a stock for 700 days - doesn't seem like she's fighting wall street at all.

I don't understand why people are so favorable towards Hillary - she's a criminal, plain and simple. No other candidate has had nearly the same amount of scandal throughout their lives that Hillary has had. She belongs in prison. I mean the woman even looted the white house - that's just tacky.

Also, raising corporate taxes is not helpful to the US economy and the average worker. Want proof? Look how many corporations under Obama have left the US and relocated to other countries with more favorable corporate tax rates.

So he used other people's money to make up for his mistakes, glad we're agreed on that.


Shares in bankrupt businesses, what an excellent investment.

Funny how you chose only a section of that sentence but didn't include: ' since they had to provide a better interest rate - kind of like an average person would do when they refinance their mortgage. '

So let me ask you - have you ever refinanced your mortgage or renegotiated a car payment or other loan? Well, that's essentially the same exact thing that Trump did with his Chapter 11. The banks didn't lose any money that they already had - they only renegotiated an interest rate - much like a homeowner would renegotiate their mortgage.
Would you also consider that 'using other people's money to make up for the homeowners' mistake;?

Nobody lost any money in the sense that they had to pay him any extra money. Again, I don't think you understand what Chapter 11 means. You chose a statement out of context but ignore where I wrote ' No one ever had to bailout Trump and no one ever had to gave up a portion of their paycheck due to Trump's mistakes'


Actually it was an excellent investment for the banks because after renegotiating they received a stake in a profitable business plus a good profit on their loans. I don't think you realize how many people totally defaulted on payments once the junk bond bubble burst - TRUMP WAS NOT ONE OF THEM - he never had to liquidate a business or sell the assets at a bankruptcy auction. Last time I checked, the Taj Mahal, Trump Plaza, and the other businesses are up and running and providing more people with livelihood's than any of Clinton's or Sander's business ventures... oh wait, they never had any..

Again, it is a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, not a Chapter 7 - huge difference. The banks did not 'bail out' Trumps hotels or casinos - they renegotiated the interest. They did not have to prop up the business because it was failing like the taxpayers had to do with Chrysler and during the bank bailout.

No, never. When I say I'm going to do something, I do it; when I say I'm going to pay something, I pay it. Pity Trump can't say the same.


Profitable businesses go bankrupt?!


Two words for you: Trump university.