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TheOther
20 May 2018  #181

As a Christian I probably should reprimand johnny to help and save his soul from eternal damnation

I would try exorcism first. He's possessed by Trump... :)

Dirk diggler
21 May 2018  #182

@Paulina
@Chemikiem

You obviously never heard of let he who is without sin cast the first stone.... So stfu as you're no better than anyone else here

johnny reb
21 May 2018  #183

Thank you Dirk and may I elaborate.........

Sorry, but you've opened the door to be called out on your bullsh1t.

WOW, what a hateful judgmental and inflammatory post by you Pam.
Matthew 7: 1 - 3 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brothers eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye."

Is that not a sin in itself you hypocrite.
Do you really think you can bully me with your insults and get away with it Pamela. lol
I have an idea Scooter, how about you unblock your Private Mail account so people can tell you what you need to hear.
If I do it here I risk a warning (which you are not worth) and your pity party would start with tears and the usual 'how dare I talk to a woman that way' b.s. like always.

You gonna pollute the forum with your smack honey then YOU WILL BE TREATED AS AN EQUAL cause ladies don't talk smack.
You think your farts smell like flowers Pam.
Now come down off that holier then thou high horse of yours and admit you two girls are sinners just like everyone else here.
Or do you have the audacity to tell us that you do not sin.

johnny reb
21 May 2018  #184

", your mandates you to look at naked Greek men as works of art?

I was going to ask you the same thing when you were so intrigued with Wroclaw Boy posing in his underwear.

When are you going to post more pictures of your physique, WB?

https://polishforums.com/off-topic/body-building-general-fitness-74835/2/

Post #59 of yours delphiamarino........in fact the excitement in all your posts on that page. lol
No wonder you got so excited and had to post pictures your new fantasy love Marino here.

Paulina
21 May 2018  #185

Now come down off that holier then thou high horse of yours and admit you two girls are sinners just like everyone else here.

Of course that I'm a sinner, johnny. But I don't behave towards other people and put others down the way you and Dirk do while banging about God, Christianity, Christian values, etc. And there are things that you wrote on this forum that are simply unacceptable for a Christian, things that I would have never written myself. Things that shocked me, it honestly shocked me that you had no inhibitions, no shame whatsoever to write them publicly.

I'm not writing this to say that I'm such a great Christian myself (I'm not) and to cast stones, as Dirk put it.

But I can't help that I'm disgusted and worried by your behaviour.
You wipe your mouth with God and Christianity so often on this forum that because of your general behaviour you give a bad name to Christians.

So I'd like you to consider this for your own benefit and the benefit of other Christians, our faith and God's name - are you really such a good Christian that you have the right to behave all the time like you're some kind of Christian authority and preach and judge others? When I was a teenager I was fantasising about becoming a nun or a missionary in Africa feeding starving children but I wouldn't have the arrogance and audacity to behave the way you do, tbh.

You wrote: "I AM a Believer and walk by Faith".
But do you? Where is all this "walking"? I can't say I see it. I see only "talking". Lot's of talking. Too much talking. If I were some prior in a monastery I would advise you to take silence vows for some time and listen to others for a change and read the Gospels. Over and over again. Really read into them.

This is the way I see you and other such "preachers", who don't practice what they preach:

biblehub.com/bsb/matthew/23.htm

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and every impurity. In the same way, you appear to be righteous on the outside, but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."

It doesn't give you a pause that a fellow Christian and not an agnostic or a "hater of Christians" sees you in this way?

You can get angry at me all you want, you can accuse Pam of hating on Christians (she isn't), you can make excuses that everyone is a sinner and a hypocrite, you can use all those lame, childish, demagogic arguments in front of us, but I wonder what are you going to say to God when you face Him after your death? Will you be making excuses that other people sin too? lol You think that will impress Him? He sees everything and will see through any bullsh1t.

Where is your Christian humility? Where is your love?
Think about it, johnny. Reflect on it for your own good - I'm asking for this as your Christian sister, not an enemy...

johnny reb
21 May 2018  #186

no shame whatsoever to write them publicly.

Oh lord the GUILT is mounting. (NOT)
I'm not getting on so you will have to go on your guilt trip all by yourself.

I can't help that I'm disgusted and worried by your behaviour.

Goody Gum Drop for you Paulina, you worry about your backyard and I will worry about mine.
You'll get over it.

This is the way I see you

I could care how you see/judge me Paulina or anyone else here.
Your brow beating is meaningless to me, honest.
If I judged everyone here for their sins I could see where I deserve it but I don't, only when they initiate it.
Maybe you could quote the post/posts that you are trying to shame me for so we could compare them to post that I have found offensive that didn't seem to bother you.

In doing so be sure to point out which Commandment I broke.

It doesn't give you a pause that a fellow Christian and not an agnostic or a "hater of Christians" sees you in this way?

Nope, not in the least........I see a lot of Christians in an unfavorable way which is between themselves and the Lord and NOT my/our/your business to try and humiliate with your religious brilliance.

You can get angry at me all you want, you can accuse Pam of hating on Christians (she isn't),

I am not angry with you, where did you get that from ?
Pam, she comes here once a month like clock work to whip on me with her HATE.
I get a huge kick out of it. Wa wa wa wa.....over and over and over again

I wonder what are you going to say to God when you face Him after your death?

Probably the same thing you will when He starts going through your list of sins I would imagine.
The one about judging others will probably be at the top of you list.

He sees everything and will see through any bullsh1t.

That is a fact AND you will not get to have a defense attorney there (your cohorts) to gang up on Him to confuse your issue like here on the P.F.

Where is your Christian humility? Where is your love?

In my heart Paulina.
I do thank you for your concerns, I really do however praying for my poor soul would probably be more effective.
Berating me on a public forum is so spiritually immature.
I am very comfortable with my Christianity which is not a legalistic one like yours seems to be.
When someone like you tries to make me out as a baby raper or murderer over some spilled milk I laugh, I really do knowing that I must have rattled their cage with my colorful humor.

Yes Paulina, I drink an occasional beer and say fvck which some Christian people find offensive too.
Well I don't and since it is my life I will decide what is and what is not acceptable, not YOU or anyone else.

I live up to my expectations, not Yours.
If I fall short of your expectations then Tuff.
I march to MY beat, not YOURS.
There is nothing to think about my Christian sister other then you trying to instill some guilt.
(the road to hell was built on good intentions)
Maybe you should think about that coming from your Christian brother.
Bless ~

Atch
21 May 2018  #187

So what did Hitler and Stalin do in their previous lives to turn into such monsters?

Hi there! Maybe I didn't explain myself very clearly. When I say 'the next life' I mean, life after death, not reincarnation.

Where does hell come into play then?

And that's what I believe Hell to be, that we have to experience the feelings of those whom we hurt in our earthly life, walk in their shoes as it were. So it's not eternal damnation. I don't have a fixed view about reincarnation. I think it may be an option you get offered. You know, would you prefer to return to the earth and take a random existence or would you prefer to take your punishment here in the after life with all the suffering that will entail............I'd be in the 'I'll take the punishment here and now' camp myself:))

johnny reb
22 May 2018  #188

Maybe you could quote the post/posts that you are trying to shame me for

Still waiting Paulina.............
Have you found any sin that I committed ?

I drink an occasional beer and say fvck which some Christian people find offensive too.

However things like that don't send people to hell.
As I said,

There is nothing to think about my Christian sister other then you trying to instill some guilt.

I think I deserve an apology from you Paulina (Pam needant bother as she has issues) for you getting in my face and calling me a sinner for something I said in this thread that was so awful.

Just which commandment did I break Paulina ?

Dirk diggler
22 May 2018  #189

@Paulina

See even Jesus didnt like the hypocritical Jews (Pharisees) which would later become rabbinic/Talmudic jews and ultimately the evil Zionists.

johnny reb
22 May 2018  #190

Paulina meant well, she just went about it wrong.
Pam is the one that always starts with the rude insulting remarks every month.

calling me a sinner for something I said in this thread

Or any thread as far as that goes...............

Chemikiem
24 May 2018  #191

how about you unblock your Private Mail account so people can tell you what you need to hear.

Seeing as though you are the reason my account is set not to receive messages, I hardly think that I am going to unblock it to receive more abuse from you.

You wipe your mouth with God and Christianity so often on this forum that because of your general behaviour you give a bad name to Christians.

Exactly this.

are you really such a good Christian that you have the right to behave all the time like you're some kind of Christian authority and preach and judge others?

This is my point. I believe him to be a Christian in name only. A true Christian would never write the crap about people that he does, but instead of looking at his own failings, he blames and attacks everyone else. Going to church every sunday does not a Christian make.

delphiandomine
24 May 2018  #192

A true Christian would never write the crap about people

A true Christian would never do the things he did to others. The harassment and abuse of other posters betrays him as being a very lonely person without any genuine spirituality in his life.

The entire Christian doctrine of "turn the other cheek" seems to be completely lost on him. Look at the problems he has with so many posters on here, and you soon see a lonely, bitter person.

Dirk diggler
24 May 2018  #193

Actually according to the Bible, believing in Jesus makes you a Christian while according to the Catholic church believing in the tenets of the Nicene creed makes you a Christian. Going to church was never a requirement of Christianity, it's more of an assumption in keeping the Sabbath

And fyi 'turn the other cheek' doesnt mean take **** from people. When Jesus said turn the other cheek it was in reference to a person slapping you. If you turn your cheek so the person has to slap.you with his left hand instead of his right, it makes him the b1tch, not the person being slapped.

Dirk do while banging about God, Christianity, Christian values, etc.

And fyi, I don't go on 'banging' about God, Christianity, Christian values.... Christianity is mostly a tradition to me. I don't care much for it... I barely even go to church except for holidays. My personal spirituality has little to do with organized religion but I'll be damned if some turd worlders come into my motherland and tell the native Poles that our great cathedrals and basilicas offend them and demand that they be razed to make room for mosques. No, that's not gonna fly.... The only reason why I care about Christianity is because it is a tradition that I was brought up and it is increasingly under siege from all sides - from the left, the right, Zionists, muslims, etc. Even from the very inside with our socialist leaning pope...

delphiandomine
24 May 2018  #194

When Jesus said turn the other cheek it was in reference to a person slapping you

This is fascinating - we were always taught that it symbolises the concept of responding to aggression with love and kindness, the idea being that the ideal Christian (Jesus) never responded with hostility towards those who did wrong to him, even during the crucifixion.

Dirk diggler
24 May 2018  #195

Yeah it's a somewhat incorrect interpretation.. but it still means to practice non-violent resistance

The actual verse is 'But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also (Matthew 5:39)'

This guy offers a better and longer description:

At the time of Jesus, says Wink, striking with the back of the hand a person, who was deemed to be of a lower socioeconomic class, was used as a means to assert authority and dominance. If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma: The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed. An alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek, the persecuted was demanding equality.

johnny reb
25 May 2018  #196

This is my point. I believe him to be a Christian in name only.

And this is my point and what I believe about you.
You are not as dumb as you look since you have no religion to make such nasty remarks back at.
Why do you insist on polluting this forum Pam ?

Atch
25 May 2018  #197

This guy offers a better and longer description:

Interpretation, not description. The Bible can only be interpreted and as Catholics it would be more appropriate to go with the interpretation given by St Augustine, not least because the time in which he lived was far closer to that of Jesus, quite apart from the fact that St Augustine was one of the founding fathers of the Church and a Catholic shouldn't be looking for answers to Biblical questions from a twentieth century Methodist :))

johnny reb
25 May 2018  #198

the fact that St Augustine was one of the founding fathers of the Church

He was ?
I thought Jesus said to Peter, "On this Rock, I build My Church."
That would make St. Peter one of the founding fathers since St. Augustine didn't come into the picture for another 300 years.
I stand to be corrected.

Atch
25 May 2018  #199

He's one of the most important Christian philosophers whose writings hugely influenced the development of the Catholic Church.

Lyzko
25 May 2018  #200

Augustine's Confessions remain a seminal text in the Western canon, much as the writings of John Chrysostom!

While certain of the writings among at least several of the early Church "Fathers" contain various anti-Semitic passages (in my vague recollection, I must admit), they do coalesce much of what would later transpire throughout Christendom, such as the Reformation:-)

Dirk diggler
25 May 2018  #201

anti-Semitic passages

What do you expect when the Pharisees had the Messiah killed not long after Jesus called them out and turning the temple into a 'den of vipers'?

Lyzko
26 May 2018  #202

I'm only expecting these early texts to be revisited by the wisdom of a modicum of 20/20 hindsight!
Pope John Paul reexamined the fallacy of the Jews being responsible for the death of Christ. How about continuing
in that healthy vein?

Dirk diggler
26 May 2018  #203

Who is responsible for Jesus death then? If not the jews than who? The Bible states that it was the jews who tried, convicted and sentenced Jesus to death - not Romans. Roman soldiers carried out the sentence, but even Pontius Pilate didnt want to try Jesus as he didn't see him doing anything bad. In fact Pilate lobbied for Jesus to be spared up to the last minute, but the jewish crowds bloodlust was too great... Herod too said he didn't find Jesus guilty of plotting against Rome - one of the charges levied against him by the jewish high priests/Pharisees especially caiphus.

According to the Bible, no the jews weren't the ones who physically crucified him nor put a spear in his side - the Romans did that. Nonetheless, the jews, specifically the Pharisees (The pre talmudic rabbis of ancient judea) asked the Romans to arrest him because he threatened their dominance. The Pharisees didnt appreciate Jesus calling them out on turning the temples into businesses and other unholy practices. They hated him for that because the Pharisees used Judaism to control the population and basically extort money from fellow jews and he called them out on it. Even since then caiphus, a jewish high priest/pharisee plotted to kill jesus. The pharisees, specificallt caiphus basically begged their roman overlords to have jesus killed. Even pontius pilate said he saw that jesus did nothing wrong and symbolically washed his hands of the affair. But the jews/Pharisees pressed on and eventually got their wish. Jesus was never tried in a Roman court - he was tried in a JEWISH court. When it came time to chose between Jesus and Barabus, the Jews chose Barabus.

Jesus trial even took place before the Sanhedrin - a JEWISH judicial body.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin_trial_of_Jesus

But if people still want to believe the jews had nothing to do with sentencing Jesus to death, that's their right....

Lyzko
27 May 2018  #204

If not the Jews......

Ever heard of Pontius Pilate, clearly NOT a Jew?

Dirk diggler
27 May 2018  #205

Yes like I wrote above Pontius lobbied to have jesus spared. Pontius never had jesus arrested -
The jews arrested jesus, specfically the sanhedrin and brought him to Pilate asking him to sentence him to death. Pilate said he found no guilt in Jesus, certainly none that merited death. However the jews bloodlust was too great and they shouted him down each time. Eventually he relented - and symbolically washed his hands that he is not responsible for his death. Pilate even brought out Jesus on Passover per the custom of releasing a prisoner hoping hed be released, but the jews wanted a murderer and theif released instead of one that would challenge the pharisees/caiphus' power..

In fact in many orthodox churches Pilate and his wife are even regarded as a saints for lobbying to spare Jesus life

Atleast thats what the gospels say...

The jewish high priests had Jesus charged, tried, and even when they the jewish crowds were given the option of Barabus a murderer and thief they chose him over Jesus. Pilate did everything he could to try to save his life, but relented due to the jewish demands for death

Ironside
27 May 2018  #206

This is fascinating - we were always taught that it symbolises the concept of responding to aggression with love and kindness,

err no....it teaches no to be vengeful;, not to hold grudges and to be ready to forgive and forget wrongs done to you(genuine) IF a wrongdoer would repent, retribute and ask for forgiveness.

Is not a concept of a meek goodie two shoes hippy - kind of response - as some would have it.

johnny reb
27 May 2018  #207

Who is responsible for Jesus death then? If not the jews than who?

Jesus Himself is the correct answer.
Jesus came down to earth to die for your sins. (The Covenant)
His blood washed away our sins so we could inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
We have been saved by grace and grace alone for all who have the Faith and have accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior.

mafketis
27 May 2018  #208

r all who have the Faith

how is faith different from guessing?

johnny reb
27 May 2018  #209

Being filled with the Holy Spirit, if you don't feel it you don't know it.
I take it you don't feel it.

Lyzko
28 May 2018  #210

As Jesus himself had a Jewish mother (the much maligned Mary Magdalene), if Judas turned him in, he was simply turning in one of his own.

Jews turning in Jews is something different from non-Jews turning in Jews.


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