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Crow
9 Aug 2020  #1

The Polish Lithuania common wealth was the first country to grant all of its citizens a fair trial.

And who was military elite of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? Serbs from Serbia.

What about Serbia?

Good point. I understand possible frustration of Poles if not qualified for top position but, let us be realistic.

Few thoughts >

1 - Serbia is cultural West and East of Europe
2 - West was born in Serbia
3 - Serbs using equally Cyrillic and Latin alphabet
4 - Serbia hold more interesting Geo-strategic and transportation position
5 - Serbian popular songs are listened all over the Slavic world and non-Slavic Eastern Europe

If Poles and Serbs ever unite in conglomerate, we should only talk who holds political and who holds financial Capital. But, whatever conglomerate it may be, for example Central-European Union, main balance of power must be along axis of Poland and Serbia.

Plus

There have to be Polish Catholic Church and not Roman Catholic Church in Poland. Independence from the Pope, same as independence from Patriarch of Constantinople. Less control from those globalist centers.

Mr Grunwald
9 Aug 2020  #2

@Crow? You High or something? Polish nobility was the elite during the First republic... Not Serbs...
Even Jews could be Polish nobility if converted to catholiscism... Haven't heard much of Serbs among the nobility in Poland

Crow
9 Aug 2020  #3

Polish nobility was heavily involved with Serbs, to the level that entire military doctrine in medieval Poland changed under the Serbian influence. That is how winged cavalry was introduced in Poland. Husaria. Those were Serbian refugees, mercenaries and instructors imported from Serbia. Not to say that Serbs were, as first line, directly involved in most important military campaigns of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Mr Grunwald
9 Aug 2020  #4

I I would very much read about it if Possible, got any English/Polish sources?

Vesko Vukovic
9 Aug 2020  #5

@Mr Grunwald

youtu.be/-9x5ADYWXeo

Read the description beneath the video.

youtu.be/taZ6a6NT6sk

Serbs were once the military elite of

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
husaria.jest.pl/rys.html

Russian Empire
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_Hussar_Regiment

and Holy Roman Empire.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenije_III_Crnojevi%C4%87

Crow
10 Aug 2020  #6

Vesko, you forgot to mention that Serbs were military elite of the Roman Empire, Western Roman Empire, Eastern Roman Empire and Austro-Hungaria, too.

You heard what Israeli Netanyahu said, that documented Serbian-Jewish contacts goes back in 500 BC. Also have in mind that 18 Roman Emperors of classical antiquity was born in the center of today`s Serbian state. In the center. Some are even directly named as ethnic Serbs in old documents.

Miloslaw
10 Aug 2020  #7

18 Roman Emperors of classical antiquity was born in the center of today`s Serbian state.

This is true but none of them were ethnic Serbs........

Serbs were military elite of the Roman Empire

In what period?

Crow
10 Aug 2020  #8

In what period?

Very early. Especially since Romans subjugated Balkans. It was rather symbiotic relationship where Serbs were younger partner.

This is true but none of them were ethnic Serbs........

There are documents. Search their biographies. For example - Maximinus Thrax (= Racow, in Polish, = Rashanin, in Serbian).

Miloslaw
10 Aug 2020  #9

Maximinus Thrax

Nicknamed The Thracian.
Serbs didn't arrive in Serbia till the 6th Century.

Very early. Especially since Romans subjugated Balkans.

But Serbs had not yet arrived in Serbia............

Tacitus
10 Aug 2020  #10

Nicknamed The Thracian.

And likely born in Thrace or Moesia (although there is some dispute over where exactly) and thus not in Serbia. Not to mention that he was born in (lower) Roman nobility.

Crow
10 Aug 2020  #11

Serbs didn't arrive in Serbia till the 6th Century.

You have mentality of a small man. See, you would have hard time to convince Israeli PM Netanyahu that Serbs aren`t autochthonous populace. Serbs and Jews had contacts in 500 BC already.

What is funny, if you are Polish and insist that Serbs aren`t autochthonous populace, then you are first class idiot who here on this very forum works against Poland. Because being Slavic, if Serbs aren`t autochthonous then you also state that Poles aren`t autochthonous. Oh, yes, Papacy of Rome would like how you speak. And his apprentice, Patriarch of Constantinople. For sure also Grand Mufti of Mekka and Meddina.

Milo, why do you humiliate yourself? Are you perv?

But Serbs had not yet arrived in Serbia............

Why do you think that earliest written Polish chronicles knew Serbs also as Racowie?

In old chronicles > Serbia = Rashka = Sarmatia = Thracia. Also, Thrax, Tribally = Serbs, in old Roman and Greek chronicles. For early Hungarians Serbs were also Raci.

Vesko Vukovic
10 Aug 2020  #12

@Crow

Look how many Polish families today can trace their descendance from the Serbian Szchlachta family Despot whose origin is in Serbia.

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenowiczowie_herbu_Deszpot

Despot

Their coat of arms is interesting as there is a crow at the top.

:)

Crow
10 Aug 2020  #13

And likely born in Thrace or Moesia (although there is some dispute over where exactly) and thus not in Serbia.

Thrace or Moeasia. Whatever. Its all Serbian realm. The old core of Sarmatia. The core that gave the White race and the West. Core where walked the giants of man. The Serbs. The reclaimers. Those who shell rid themselves of the Roman and Greek yoke.

Miloslaw
10 Aug 2020  #14

then you are first class idiot

No,you are a first class idiot by showing your total ignorance.
Serbs could never have been part of the classic Roman empire because they did not move there until it was gone!

Milo, why do you humiliate yourself?

I don't, but you do so with your blatant ignorance.
Serbs did not even arrive in Serbia till the sixth or seventh century.
So they had very little influence on the Roman Empire.
Serbs were originally called Wends.
They came from Lusatia, an area between Germany and Poland.
People still argue to this day if Serbs are Germanic or Slavic.....give it up Crow, you are on very weak ground...... LOL!!!

Crow
10 Aug 2020  #15

What?

Good night Milo. I will try to help you tomorrow.

Miloslaw
10 Aug 2020  #16

A Serbian surrender!!!!
Poland 1 Serbia 0.

Crow
11 Aug 2020  #17

OK. Just continue to let those S-400, MIG-29, tanks, and helicopters travel from Russia to Serbia via Poland and Hungary, in these troubling days and we are alright.

Mr Grunwald
12 Aug 2020  #18

@Vesko Vukovic
From what I gather the tradition of fighting in a «Hussar/Ussar» way came from Serbia via mercenaries... Also the Crow in coats of arms in Poland comes from the ślepowron coat of arms. Where ślepowron originates from? I don't know

But to say that Serbs were part of the Polish elite? How? When? Cause they are the origin Hussarias fighting style?

Crow
12 Aug 2020  #19

But to say that Serbs were part of the Polish elite?

How do you think that Poles learned to use winged cavalry if not for Serbian instructors? They didn`t just sow Serbs. They fought alongside Serbs. There are sources that suggest very strong Serbian influence in Poland. Influence on nobility and peoples tradition (Serbians were those legendary Racowie). Serbs were first line of Polish kings from Orsha to the Vienna.

Don`t forget that Zawisha Czarny died fighting Turks while defending Serbian despotate (last remnant of Serbian medieval state). Recruit of Serbian cavalry and sending Serbian refugees to Poland was organized. King Władysław II Jagiełło ordered Serbian gusle players to play in Polish courts, what was copy paste of what earlier Serbian King Stefan Nemanjić done in his own courts (also, Polish Jadwiga is of Serbian imperial Nemanjić ancestry). They were seen as voice of ancestors, in accordance with deepest Polish tradition.

Mr Grunwald
12 Aug 2020  #20

@Crow
Recently there have come up a thesis that the first Polish rulers (Polanie tribe, not Lędzianie) have wiking origins, similar to Kiev Rus. Which would explain the intermarriage between Scandinavians and rulers in Poland

Crow
12 Aug 2020  #21

Serbs have same tradition.

i.ytimg.com/vi/7m3cxTQO-SM/hqdefault.jpg

Replica of body armor of Serbian King Lazar (used in the movie) that led Serbs in Kosovo battle, 1389, Serbs vs Turks where he himself and Turkish Sultan Murad were slain

This thread would give you a picture what is true past of Europe >>> https://polishforums.com/genealogy/name-szczerbin-first-original-ethnic-83198/

Vikings were themselves of Sarmatian origin. All Europeans are of Sarmatian (ie Serbian origin). Old chronicles speak of Serbs Serbs and about those who originate from Serbs, offspring of original tribe/people.

Serbs Serbs populace was that old European (ie Slavic, ie Sarmatian) backbone from Balkan to Baltic, which spread slowly along the rivers after Ice age was finished (even animal and bird migrations confirm this process). Once when that South-North line was established, people started to spread East and West. That is how Europe was populated (spot the link).

Now, Vikings are city populace that due to urban conditions, trade and foreign influences developed specific traits, even local dialects and finally language. But, change in their language didn't deny them their old rights as an urban populace to recruit/assimilate local village populace (Slavs who still speak Slavic languages), and also didn't violate tradition that rural populace, when developed enough, call lords from the cities to become rulers. This is the main principle by which Sarmats naturally evolved into today's different cultures. It often happened in some kind of isolation. Sea coasts, islands. Similar was with Greeks city-states, Romans, etc. More city-states required more assimilation of remaining rural Slavic (ie Sarmatian) populace into new cultures.

But also! Those urban new centers that evolved into specific cultures wared with city centers developed deeper within rural population and therefore preserved language of Sarmatic (ie Slavic) populace, their original culture. A good example is the war of Greek city-states against Trojans. Or Roman destruction of urban Dacian and Thracian centers. Also, Roman destruction of Raseni (Etruscans).

This is the true history of Europe.

Ironside
15 Aug 2020  #22

Recently there have come up a thesis that the first Polish r

Not recently. That tune comes back sometime and then goes away as there is no evidence for it.

explain the intermarriage between Scandinavians and rulers in Poland

What intermarriage would need explaining? They were dynasty/political marriages there was no need to explain it.

This is the true history of Europe.

Viking are raider or sea raiders - i.e. armed bands of thugs mainly from Scandinavia but not only. There were no populace of cities or anything. There is another truth - you are a mythomaniac and a nutter.

Crow
15 Aug 2020  #23

There is another truth - you are .......... a nutter

What you want? What you have to offer to Polish children. A global soup? You said you are Catholic first and Polish second. You are like Muslim who abandoned his own heritage. Total fanatic. Such a people should be censored because scary little Slavic children. Polish Catholic is fine but to be Catholic Polish is too global and amorphous. Even sick.

Reprimand yourself.

Mr Grunwald
15 Aug 2020  #24

@Crow
The cause of Poland isn't for Poles only, not only slavs either. Anyone who wishes to be brother to Poles has a home to find in Poland. The catholic Church is for all humanity, just like the almighty father. It's your hubris that is testing you @Crow

The civil war in former Yugoslavia was a mess, doesn't mean that Serbians were innocent. There was blood on everybody's hands
If you are not able to forgive Americans, the British, the Vatican or Poland. How are you able to forgive yourselves as Serbs for not being able to uphold Yugoslavia?

Crow
15 Aug 2020  #25

The catholic Church is for all humanity, just like the almighty father.

So globalization. Same as Orthodox and Protestant Churches. As Muslims. Exactly my point.

See, that is why we Serbs preserved Slava family custom and Svetovid within our Christianity. We don`t feel malformed if our God isn`t for all humanity. Its something ours that represent us to global almighty.

The civil war in former Yugoslavia was a mess, doesn't mean that Serbians were innocent.

This conflict wasn`t just Civil War. It was more and old. Vatican started, with Germany, and organized massive (!) genocide on Serbs and not the opposite. Let state of Vatican now explain itself to almighty and humanity. If they started its proper they apologize, at least. And pay for our innocent (!) victims. How to repay? They apologize verbally. They pay reparations in money. They return our stolen territory and assimilated people. Would they be able to do it all? Its their problem. And, you maybe now aren`t aware of it, they do have problem. They violated balance among civilizations, they face serious problem and don`t sleep quite well. Who knows what would next fall on Italy, after Corona.

Ironside
15 Aug 2020  #26

Vatican started,

You are a moron. How Vatican started all that BS you have in the Balkans? Not for nothing it has been called Balkan cauldron or balkanization of politicks in other words a bloody mess.

Blaming game is for kids, grow up! There is not a blameless victim in a civil war. You f.. up and you lost. Get your s...t together like the majority of Serbs did. Alternatively stay as a lone loony troll on the internet

A global soup?

Globalization is practically over. Some might not notice it as yet. Ah don't post while you are hungry. You need to eat well and maybe just maybe take your meds.

You said you are Catholic first and Polish second.

No, you lie. I didn't say it. I'm both seamlessly merged into a monolith. I said that I'm Slavic distant second but that wasn't a whole truth. I don't think in those terms and few people does. IF forced to THINK about it I THINK it would be a distant second.

Slavic doesn't ring much bells in Poland. let it sink in!

Crow
15 Aug 2020  #27

I said that I'm Slavic distant second

Yes, distant second and Catholic first. Thats what you said. Thank you.

I still wonder how is even possible to reject your self over the religion. That s what Muslims doing.

Slavic doesn't ring much bells in Poland.

We shall soon realy learn. Some says these are last times.

Mr Grunwald
23 Aug 2020  #28

@Crow
Serbia is far away from the Russian Federation, you can afford not to worry about Kremlins intentions. Poles cannot afford that, it's that simple. It's like telling you to trust your kids with Ustashe members traveling through Croatia...

One thing is ordinary Russians, another is the Kremlin. Kremlin only cares about being the biggest ***k in the neighbourhood. Even if it costs mother Russia and all her children famine, invasions, international conflicts, economic ruin, inhuman conditions and worse! Only cause they see the big guy on top of Kremlin as their father instead of the one true father who is in heaven.

What is so hard to understand Crow?

mafketis
23 Aug 2020  #29

Exactly, look at how the Russian state treats its own citizens.... what makes a sane person think they'd be any nicer to citizens of other countries?

But I guess the word 'sane' excludes Crow from the conversation.... no one ever accused Serbians of being too down to earth and realistic....

Crow
23 Aug 2020  #30

What is so hard to understand Crow?

Brate, I wonder do you really don`t understand or just pretend. Russia must exist. Reform but continue to exist.

Russia needs to change. I knew that even before this flood of migrants from all possible regions of Ukraine and Russia, in my country. BUT, to push for changes in Russia for the sake of ``democracy`` by some standards and even risk crumbling of Russia due to internal and outside pressure, is not the solution. We need that Russia survive all possible reforms and to prosper. Why? Because Serbia and Poland exist in that fragile balance of power that exist between Russia and western Europe. If Russia stop to exist, next moment western Europe will swallow Serbia and Poland. And I don`t wish Serbia and Poland cease to exist.

It's like telling you to trust your kids with Ustashe members traveling through Croatia...

Please, for the sake of truth and at least intention to give true information on this forum, don`t compare Polish-Russian antagonism with Croat-Serb antagonism. First one is antagonism between two peoples and the second one is the antagonism from within of one and same people (where Vatican and Germany have project to destroy ethnic being of people over religions lines and create new nation from Catholics). Not to speak that children in Croatia grow up with learning in Catholic Churches that every Orthodox needs to be burn alive and, I also know that little Russians don`t grow up with this kind of learning (regarding Catholics) in Russian Churches (NOTE: I here tend to provide info to Poles so they get real insight how Vatican operates on Balkan; its my way to prevent Vatican to poison Polish-Serbian relations and, I also want to attract Poles they become interested for the problem).


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