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75 Years of Israel and the War - part 2



Novichok
6 Aug 2024  #751

America is one of the less trade dependent large economies out there.

America is hugely dependent on making things at home. With the US factories closed or closing, well-paying jobs are gone, the taxes Feds collect down, unemployment and underemployment welfare up, families stressed to the breaking point, birth rates down, crime up, drug addiction up, bridges rusting, water toxic...and on and on...

Don't believe me because I am not a PhD in economics? Visit Gary, Flint, and Detroit.

A country that produces 50% of all MBAs should not need Turkey as a teacher.

AntV
6 Aug 2024  #752

If the entire economy was one machining shop, this would make sense.

What would make sense? The simple plus and minus calculation?

If the value of the machinery is higher than the value of the goods the shop sells - then sure enough, one day it will close.

Which means they would both close.

Visit Gary, Flint, and Detroit.

Herein lies the problem: the American economy is much bigger and diverse than just Gary, Flint, and Detroit. It also includes Nashville, Austin, and Phoenix.

AntV
6 Aug 2024  #753

I just realized we're making all of this noise in the Israel thread. How about we move it to random or the us news thread b

pawian
6 Aug 2024  #754

Hell yeah I do

And this is amasing coz you hardly ever use such vocabulary. Novi must have pissed you off immensely that you decided to pussify him. .

he's a manly

Not really. He engages ignore function too often. He did on me several times. And he even admits is publicly.
AmaSSing!

Bobko
6 Aug 2024  #755

What would make sense? The simple plus and minus calculation?

Yes.

In general, I don't want to make light of Novichok's arguments. A large group of economists think just as he does, that perpetual trade deficits are not a good thing.

The reason - is that this points at a fundamental issue of spending more than you save. If America was not able to borrow infinitely, and had to learn to live within its means, then one day the trade deficit would balance itself out. This would happen naturally, since you can't buy more than you sell.

So the trade deficit problem, is in some ways another side of the coin of a lack of savings. Germans save a lot, but also export a lot. So they have huge trade surpluses. China also saves a lot. This is why the American trade emissaries always ask Germany and China to consume more, and save less. For some reason, those two weirdos refuse to obey.

However, I don't subscribe to this interpretation. It doesn't mean it's stupid.

An analogy I frequently use, is let's imagine Boeing and General Electric are different countries. General Electric does not buy anything from Boeing. Boeing buys from GE the jet turbines which power its planes.

Is Boeing a loser for engaging in this one way trade?

AntV
6 Aug 2024  #756

Novi must have pissed you off immensely that you decided to pussify him. .

No, he didn't **** me off at all. He's not a pvss so no pvssifying.

quote=Bobko]Is Boeing a loser for engaging in this one way trade?[/quote]
I'm going to move this to US News thread-response is over there.

Novichok
6 Aug 2024  #757

Herein lies the problem: the American economy is much bigger and diverse than just Gary, Flint, and Detroit.

A country's wealth is measured exactly the same way as mutual funds - by its NAV.

NAV is a vicious thing because it includes liabilities or debt. The US prosperity is debt-based. Please don't give me any crap about corporations going into debt. They know how to pay it back. The US has no means or clue how to pay back those 35 trillion bucks with 2 trillion being added to the 35 every single year.

If the US was a corporation, it would go bankrupt a long time ago. It would be shut down, cut up, and the pieces would be sold.

Its directors would be in prison for fraud. See Social Security Trust Fund - the biggest lie ever told. I mean those fake "assets" in that fake "Trust Fund". This was just an example...

So you guys can try to nickel and dime me with your econ sophistry but the big picture is what it is and it ain't pretty...

AntV
6 Aug 2024  #758

So you guys can try to nickel and dime me with your econ sophistry

Econ sophistry. Good one, Novi.

We're talking about trade, not social security and national debt, BTW.

Bratwurst Boy
6 Aug 2024  #759

Sinwar, that ape-eared sadist of the 7th October massacres, is the new leader of Hamas....I hope the Mossad is all geared up and ready to take him out like the others!

AntV
6 Aug 2024  #760

It's official?

Bratwurst Boy
6 Aug 2024  #761

...yeah....the headlines are everywhere!

Miloslaw
6 Aug 2024  #762

Mossad are the best secret service in the world, bar none, so if they can't take him out, nobody else can either.

Novichok
7 Aug 2024  #763

They just didn't get a whiff of 10/7...

Or they did and did nothing as planned...

Feniks
7 Aug 2024  #764

Mossad are the best secret service in the world

So why did they do nothing when they apparently knew what Hamas was planning way before October 7th?

They messed up badly on that one.

Novichok
7 Aug 2024  #765

They messed up badly on that one.

Yes, they did - unless they knew about it and kept quiet for a reason. See Gaza today...

The biggest red flag: allowing thousands of defenseless civilians to gather next to the border with the people who want to kill them on the other side within spitting distance...

Alien
10 Aug 2024  #766

unless they knew about it

like 9/11?

johnny reb
11 Aug 2024  #767

Like the Ho Chi Minh Trail

Alien
11 Aug 2024  #768

I don't understand what that was all about?

johnny reb
11 Aug 2024  #769

And I don't have the patience to explain it to you again.
You think Gaza has a big tunnel network. HA !
The Vietnamese had ten thousand miles of underground tunnels and moved supplies at will.
The Americans in charge in Nam were paid off to not know about them so the critical ones didn't get destroyed so the opium moved safely to support the war.
Of course they knew...... while American kids were dying because of it.

Alien
11 Aug 2024  #770

The Vietnamese had ten thousand miles of underground tunnels and moved supplies at will.

Okay....I actually don't know much about the Vietnam War, I was too young then. But I liked your helicopters back then, remember, the ones from the movie "Apocalypse Now." Many years later, I flew a helicopter like that a few times.

johnny reb
11 Aug 2024  #771

You flew a Huey gunship !
Where did you do that at ?
Wait, we must stay on topic here.

Alien
15 Aug 2024  #772

Huey gunship !

Very loud, and vibrated like an old bus, an old Jelcz "cucumber", but apart from that they were very cool.

pawian
15 Aug 2024  #773

all geared up and ready to take him out like the others!

Right now those Nazis are more geared up to carry out genocide on Palestinians.

Can`t you control that German guilt sentiment if yours which compels you to support Nazi Israel? It is an amaSSing paradox - you want to atone for Nazi German crimes on Jews and at the same time see nothing wrong with Nazi Israeli solution of the Arab problem.

Novichok
16 Aug 2024  #774

Right now those Nazis are more geared up to carry out genocide on Palestinians.

The US fried 200,000 Japs in August 1945 - deliberately and with full premeditation. I am so proud even though I was only 3 then.
Israel killed one-fifth of that number in 10 months as collateral damage. Niechcacy.

If Hamas stopped shooting and surrendered, Israel would not kill anybody.

Netanyahu should get an award for his patience and good manners.

johnny reb
16 Aug 2024  #775

Right now those Nazis are more geared up to carry out genocide on Palestinians.

May I remind you that the enemy Palestinians genocides 1500 innocent Israelis that started it all.
Now Netanyahu is showing what happen when you come to attack and kill Jews on Israel soil.
I hail Israel to fight a war the way a war should be fought and not cave to the Woke rules of engagement.
Palestinians have lost at least 40,000 in this war so far for being the aggressors.
Seal those tunnels in Gaza and flood them to finish the enemy rats off.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Aug 2024  #776

Right now those Nazis are more geared up to carry out genocide on Palestinians.

What? No more happy parties on gazan streets about butchered israeli babies and raped israeli girls???

I'm shocked!!!!

(I bet they wish right now Hamas hadn't done this....and they hadn't cheered so loud and so openly)

Novichok
16 Aug 2024  #777

No more happy parties on gazan streets about butchered israeli babies and raped israeli girls???

We should never forget how they danced in the streets on 9/11.

Bratwurst Boy
16 Aug 2024  #778

....the same! *nods*

johnny reb
16 Aug 2024  #779

What? No more happy parties on gazan streets about butchered israeli babies and raped israeli girls???

Excellent post B.B. 👨 👍
And Pawians response to it is ?

Novichok
16 Aug 2024  #780

butchered israeli babies and raped israeli girls???

I have two ratios...

Dead Pals vs Israeli men: 1000 to 1
Dead Pals vs Israeli women and kids: 100,000 to 1.

Israel still has ways to go in killing these sobs before it will show up on my radar as objectionable.


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