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Why AfD is the most important party in Germany



jon357
10 Apr 2019  #601

This women.....

,,.., keeps getting democratically elected by the people.

Remind us how many times now...

Rich Mazur
10 Apr 2019  #602

And that number is supposed to mean what?
Roosevelt was elected four times. He was such a blessing that "America" said hell, no, never again and promptly amended its constitution.

jon357
10 Apr 2019  #603

Roosevelt

A good man.

Chancellor Merkel is certainly one of the most successful leaders of her era.

delphiandomine
10 Apr 2019  #604

She's certainly worthy of being mentioned alongside Adenauer and Kohl in terms of her success.

Weimarer
10 Apr 2019  #605

Name her sucess and also tell me, why her CDU party told her to not participate in recent election campaigns?

Why does CDU chose not not use Merkel in the EU campaign? Why do the tell her not to participate?

Also explain me why Germany appears stuck? Why do we have 100% higher energy cost than other countries? Why feels evrything stagnant like lead?

Why is our infrastructure falling apart?

jon357
10 Apr 2019  #606

It isn't.

Miloslaw
10 Apr 2019  #607

True,but Germany has some major problems and it is only going to get worse before it gets better.
And Brexit will hurt Germany much more than they are prepared to admit, except for some afd members who are brave enough to tell the truth.

Lyzko
10 Apr 2019  #608

Weimarer, you needn't justify your apparent contempt for Hoecke. I find him a danger to democracy.
Many other decent, right-thinking Germans feel the same way too, I'd imagine.
:-)

Rich Mazur
11 Apr 2019  #609

Chancellor Merkel is certainly one of the most successful leaders of her era.

So was Stalin. He, too, was successful.

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #610

You equate the two? Do tell..

Lyzko
11 Apr 2019  #611

Typical right-wing hysterical exaggeration, jon!
Those Reps sure love to play psychology with the opposition, don't they:-)

Ever caught how Trump argues a point of contention with the other side? First he charms his
supporters with one-liners to make the other guy look stupid. Then seeks to deflate the opposing
arguments with all sorts of fallacious rhetoric, straw-man, you name it, the whole nine yards.

Rich Mazur
11 Apr 2019  #612

You equate the two? Do tell..

Easy. Death camps aside, Hitler's objectives were to make Germany stronger and more German. The execution - no pun intended - sucked and he got carried away. If he was more reasonable, he would have stopped in the fall of 1939.

Merkel's objectives were just the opposite - to make Germany weaker. If that was not the primary objective, it was a predictable byproduct of whatever her plans were.

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #613

Easy

Not so easy.

Death camps aside

Aside from that, Jackie, did you enjoy your trip to Dallas?

Rich Mazur
11 Apr 2019  #614

She did as much as some American parents enjoyed their sons going to Vietnam to see the world and, while there, to kill those funny looking Vietnamese because the DC bastards didn't like their political system and what those terrible and so very bad Vietnamese did to the US. Which was nothing.

At least Hitler could see a benefit from annexing his neighbors. What was our excuse killing people seven thousand miles away then and recently?

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #615

At least Hitler could see a benefit from annexing his neighbors.

The neighbours however couldn't.

Vietnam

Very good we stayed well away from that sh1tshow. One of Sir Harold's many wise decisions.

Weimarer
11 Apr 2019  #616

The biggest problem with Merkelism is, that Germany has stagnated in evry field.

We lose on almost all fronts and fall behind evrywhere.

The thing is, until 2015 i believed Merkel is a good leader for Germany. Then it went downhill more and more.

I dont know the english words to express this, but each more year with Merkel feels more like the nation is on sleeping pills.

The same boring faces, the same emotionless bla bla. Evrything stagnates.

We get almost zero good news.

We have highest energy cost in Europe. Highest tax rate. Our military is broken. We have a defense minister who has no clue about defense.

We have infrastructure falling apart.

A president who praises communist attackers and congratulates the Ayatollah.

We have state aircrafts that break down so our government cant attend international meetings.

We have an airport they work since 20 years on and with no date when it will open.

The biggest problem is the division of our country. The people cant even talk with each other anymore. East vs West. Right vs. Left.

When it is so bad that you dont even talk with each other anymore..

The problem is that i see nowhere someone who can heal all of this. I sometimes feel hopeless to see this sad state of our country and dont know what to do.

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #617

We lose on almost all fronts and fall behind evrywhere.

There's absolutely no reason that Germany would or should win on 'almost all fronts' or even most, and no reason at all that other nations shouldn't be ahead.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #618

Only that when Germany is happy, Europe is happy...if Germany is unhappy....well....the rest of Europe isn't either.

Sounds arrogant but isn't meant to...just a truth!

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #619

To a point. However there really isn't any reason that other nations shouldn't surge ahead.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #620

Germany falling back is a reason for the current unhappiness! I can't imagine that this going on will bode well for Germany and in consequence for Europe. As Germany has been for a long time the motor. All european countries profit from a well running Germany in many ways .

Which other ahead surging nation can supplant Germany's place?

For example Estonia is far ahead in all things digitalization, but Europe hardly profits from it. It's to small, it has barely goods to sell or jobs to offer and isn't a big market place either...

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #621

As Germany has been for a long time the motor. All european countries profit from a well running Germany in many ways .

There's been no harm in that, and it was a nice enough motor. No reason it shouldn't now be the turn of others.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #622

Who?.

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #623

Time will doubtless tell. Change is rarely how people expect it to be.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #624

Time will doubtless tell.

You must have a country in mind (or several) :)

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #625

We'll see, whether we want to or not. There's no reason at all that any economy should dominate forever. Do you think otherwise?

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #626

I see no reason that any economy should decline if not for bad decisions, which in consequence will always make alot of people unhappy.

You can't get around it Jon, a declining Germany will mean lotsa unhappy, agitated, nervous, agressive, restless people! And a well run Germany will always dominate in some kind, and be it only because of it's location, size and population count. But it will then also provide a stable, quiet center.

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #627

Any economy can decline in relation to another.

lotsa unhappy, agitated, nervous, agressive people!

What do you think that would lead to?

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #628

Changes! People unhappy with the current will look for promises how to change the future. They will go looking to the radical edges...and frankly I don't care which way the scale will be tipped. It won't end nice either way.

jon357
11 Apr 2019  #629

They will go looking to the radical edges

I sincerely hope that Europe (and elsewhere) learns from past mistakes and that the majority never give into the threats of an angry minority. Betty Boothroyd's recent speech (about 'brexit' however there are parallels) is worth watching.

One issue that Germany (and not only Germany) needs to manage carefully is its aging population. A quick look on google brought this up: " In 2017 28.0% of the population of Germany was over 60 years old, and it is projected to increase to 37.6% by the year 2050.". Automation in high-tech industry can only partly solve this problem.

Bratwurst Boy
11 Apr 2019  #630

I sincerely hope that Europe (and elsewhere) learns from past mistakes.

I fear there is no learning. They (we) do it again. You can see that in every country...people become unhappy they start listening to radical nutters. So as if the last century hadn't happened.

One issue that Germany (and not only Germany) needs to manage carefully is its aging population.

Automation + mass import of foreign care taker...that's how it looks like.


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