Why AfD is the most important party in Germany

As do the voters.

Europeans are playing with the fire. Populism and nationalism have been tried before, with the known results. Y'all what an encore?

Nah...because of the phasing out of the coal and steel industries NRW goes through a rough patch economically. Till they find another way to earn their lives many people and towns there have become dependent on state welfare. The demographic prognosis is bad too...about a million people less and many more of them old people till 2030.

You just don't build a Caliphate with old people on handouts!
(And yes, alot of the immigrants there depend on the state too...)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Rhine-Westphalia

@TheOther

The liberals failed the people. How long do you think people follow failed gloablist concepts?

Still a lot better than for most of Eastern Germany though.

spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/demografie-wo-deutschland-schrumpft-und-wo-es-waechst-a-1261262.html

You from NRW? :)

Not the natives are growing there...

Yes I am.


Still preferable to losing 25% or more of your population.

How often do you think people will fall for the poison that the populist snake-oil salesmen are trying to sell them? Nationalism, especially in its more extreme forms, has caused so much suffering in Europe and elsewhere that I am really surprised how fast it is spreading again. I agree with you that a liberal/ globalist world is far from perfect, but one that is based on nationalism à la UKIP, AfD, Lega Nord and others is much worse.

@Tacitus

We must lose 30%. Germany is overpopulated.

Beside that, when you mix 500g vanilla icecream with 500 g dirt you dont get 1kg icecream. Dirt stays dirt but the ice cream is ruined.

Fun fact, population in east germany is rising because two factors.

1. More births (and its german babies)

2. More Germans moving to eastern Germany, propably because dont want live in a ******** like NRW.

@TheOther

I can turn that as well and use history.

The mass influx of 3rd worlders worked really well for the byzanthine empire.

Look, liberals failed. If they would have made good politics, people would not vote AfD or Lega Nord.

Somehow, letting millions of 3rd worlders in, throwing pensions fonds away, looking at milliins losijg their job while only caring about toilets for 3rd genders did not win the hearts of that many people.

Voting far right is selfdefense against this.

You can see that in almost all western countries.

In the end, sense prevails.

Of course sense prevails, apparantly Merkel does not think its a good idea to allow millions if scum from 3rd world into Germany is a good idea anymore.

Unfortunately it needed AfD so this retarded old zombie got the message.

And Angela is still in office. And the new Germans are settling down in their new heimat.

...although it's been a tough sell, jon, and often an even tougher fit for those "Neuaussiedler"!

@jon357

Obviously not in Eastern Germany, where the very few foreigners even start to leave, while west germans move to eastern Germany.

The Germany of 2019 is different to 2015. Its far less open, more realistic in its approach and stopped its open border policiy.

Politics always must have the full spectrum in mind. To let 1.5 million in woithout any background checks was a disaster for security.

Merkels mantra now is that the things of 2015 will never repeat.

So i have a question for you and would like an honest answer, how you explain Merkels change in politics? Why is her new mantra deportation, deportation, deportation, impriosnment of those who have no right for asylum? Cut of asylum benefits?

Why did she gave up her idea she can place migrants over all of europe and now follows the seal down approach?

Why do we see now things adressed that were not adressed before? Islamist schools closed down, turkish influence pushed back.

She obviously saw that her decission in 2015 was wrong. Did she get that herself or was forced by AfD to change her politics?

I doubt anyone will leave when they haven't yet arrived. Most people prefer the western and southern parts of Germany.


No, some parts of the spectrum are less important than others.

With all due respect, you are delusional. I tried to but you are crazy and far from reality.

I ignore you from now on.

Tough to ignore the truth, Weimarer!

Merkel's not perfect by any stretch, but she's a damned sight better than Hoecke or his crew.
The latter are panderers to the worst elements in Germany. The former tries to exhort (auffordern)
her fellow Germans to aspire to the best of which they are capable.

Always easy to give up the fight before the first battle's been won.
The face of Germany has been changing and although you people
don't share the US melting-pot tradition of inclusion, things are
going to have to change, sooner rather than later, with or WITHOUT
your help:-)

That's a myth. No new immigrant group has ever been welcomed with open arms in the US. Not even white Europeans.

@Lyzko

If that change means a ISIS like caliphate i assure you i will fight with all i can to stop this and rip that face off. With acid if needed.

Well said.
I hate all newcomers - migrants, immigrants, and refugees. Tourists, too, with the exception of Canadians. I like Canadians because they speak American English and are white.

I would say "hate" is a strong word, but it's natural that unknown newcomers aren't embraced with open arms everywhere.

(The teddy bear throwing clappers are NOT behaving naturally)

That has to do with our ingrained group thinking. We (the alredy settled) are now one group (no matter that we usually hate each other too) and the newbies build the "other group". No matter if they even understand each other and come from different corners of the world.

It'a all instinctual human behaviour and so predictable. And no reason to make a policy out of it....

@TheOther,

Perhaps you misunderstood the concept of "melting-pot"!
What's a myth is the belief that it actually works seamlessly. The reality is that it was an experiment
and can be observed in the rise of ethnic neigborhoods throughout the United States!

Perhaps Poles, Blacks, Italians, and Hispanics don't technically live "amongst" one another, but in separate districts.
Nevertheless, the very fact that they all cohabitate within the same borough, is melting-pot enough.

In Australia, maybe the native aborigines remain separate aka segregated from whites.

@Weimarer,

The scenario you envision won't happen, I'm certain. Even Merkel would make sure
to protect the majority first.

Yeah, like she did when several ISIS terrorist she let in killed Germans in terror attacks.

To be fair, you can't blame that on her but rather on our barely existing intelligence service. They are totally overwhelmed with the situation and are no great source of support for the gov.

Today we have no idea who is living in Germany...a total loss of control!

Did she know that they would have killed those people?

Had she let in several US-Navy seals seeking asylum from the United States, and they killed innocent civilians,
would that have been any different? How about it, for the sake of argument, thousands of disgruntled Russians
were invited into Germany as defectors from Putin's stranglehold over their country's democracy, and the latter
raped German women, would that too have been different?

Your argument reinforces my theory that Germans have a problem with "others", period! If the Syrians were
well-behaved, learned German diligently,tried to assimilate with all their heart and soul, there'd still be folks
out there who'd find something to gripe about.

She said in 2015 live in TV that she gurantees that not a single terrorist comes. Thats her exact words

Fsct is, our government lost control in 2015. You denie that?

You should look into a career in the Bundesnachrichtendienst....I would trust you to sniff these bad apples out! :)

Naivete can be embarrassing, indeed dangerous, e.g. Chamberlain's Peace in our TimeLOL. However, it isn't intentionally destructive.
She simply needs to take a somewhat harder line, that's all.

A career in the Bundesnachrichtendienst?? More with the Stasi, were he at least two generations or so older!
:-)

Nah...The STASI was set to hunt our own people, I don't want a repeat of that!

I simply meant it's the same mentality of always seeking to weed out "undesirables".