After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU

The whole premise of Brexit is built on end to freedom of movement - the very criteria that UK growth in domestic product has been built on the last few years. You can't have an end to the Single Market or a Customs Union and not have an end to freedom of movement.

Tony Blair was right in opening the market to Eastern Europeans, and the Tories (and Corbynistas) are hopelessly wrong.

Sure you can. There's no reason why you can't import and export goods to and from China, US, and the countless other markets that the UK can now engage in free trade with without importing their people. And if they do, just don't keep bringing unskilled third worlders who are more of a burden than benefit. If they don't have any skills, don't want to work and go on the dole they shouldn't be let in and ought to be kicked out as soon as the home office finds out they've submitted an application for benefits, after being forced to dig ditches of course to pay for their return flight. Then again, none of it will make a difference. British people are a minority in their own capital. It's just a matter of time before they're outbred in the rest of the country and have dozens of 'Sadiq Khans' running the whole place.

You've been called out for this before. Stop talking infantile bull. We know how old you are, from your stalking phone calls. Act your age, or.do you want me to post a recording of our (short) telephone conversation for the forum to judge your maturity?

Prove me wrong then. It is FACT that British people are a minority in their own capital.

ft.com/content/4bd95562-4379-11e2-a48c-00144feabdc0

Own from almost 60 penly 45 per cent of London's population were white people of English, Scottish or Welsh heritage, according to the latest data, dcent in 2001.... White ethnic Britons no longer make up the majority of people in London for the first time, according to the latest census data

You've been replaced in your own capital. If that's not being cucked, I don't know what is.... The rest of the United Kaliphate is next. No sort of Brexit will prevent that. You're already a minority in your capital, you have sharia courts, only 10% of cops who are armed despite a 'gun free' capital having a murder rate that exceeded NYCs and constant nation wide issues with rape squads grooming children. And then there's of course the constant stabbing and Islamic terror - one terrorist arrested literally next door to my cousins apartment...


Go right ahead. Let me know when you get around this:
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The number of white British people in the capital fell by 620,000 - equivalent to the entire population of Glasgow moving out. The consequence, as revealed by the latest census, is that white Brits are now in a minority in London, making up just 45% of its residents.

Straight from the bbc: bbc.com/news/uk-21511904

Atleast there's hope: Polish is the second most common language spoken in England

Now get back to UK so your tax money can fund my fellow countrymens' retirements and their kids.

mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/polish-benefits-guide-encourages-people-7528645
dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2868672/I-m-entitled-money-Britain-says-Polish-mother-rakes-220-month-child-benefits-son-lives-Warsaw.html

UK White Flight: youtube.com/watch?v=yaGcpdYHfxM
I would move too if a bunch of mosques and ninjas started popping up around me... seems British Whites aren't too different from us Polish xenophobes who don't want em in the country in the first place.

'Balkanized; the new comes keep on and on rolling in; it has a very alienating effect; outnumbered completely' - that British lady describes it quite aptly...

It is not a fact. It is only white British of englush, welsh and scottish origin who are in the minority. There are blacks and Indians (and Poles, Italians, Greeks etc) who have been there for 3 generations already

Oh so you obviously know better than UK's own statistics agency, BBC and FT combined...

Those people are not ethnic Brits and therefore Brits are a minority. Just because a dog lives in a stable doesn't make him a horse.

Which is exactly what I said

Is the son of Polish immigrants British in your way of counting ?

No of course not and not according to the 3 sources cited. Again, the BBC, FT and census illustrates that ETHNIC brits are a minority in their own capital - meaning white brits and not poles, gypsies, flipflopistanis, rape squadese, ninjas, etc. regardless of how long they've lived in UK. Just as my family in London isn't counted in these numbers as they are Poles, not Brits in terms of ethnicity.

That would be the Office for National Statistics ( ONR ). Corporations such as the BBC, and media sources get their information from them. From their site:

" We are the UK's largest independent producer of official statistics and its recognised national statistical institute. We are responsible for collecting and publishing statistics related to the economy, population and society at national, regional and local levels. We also conduct the census in England and Wales every 10 years.

ons.gov.uk/aboutus

In other words, they would know more than you. Earlier in the year I linked you to their site in this post:

polishforums.com/off-topic/poland-random-chat-74400/28/#msg1656687

" Here is the Office for National Statistics link from 2017. Scroll down to section 7. Non-UK born residents in London stand at 38%." You told me I was wrong.

Their information has now been updated from July 2017 to June 2018, so far more current than a 2013 BBC article and census data from 2011 that you provided.

Here is the relevant information:

" The largest non-UK born and non-British national populations were in London in the period July 2017 to June 2018 (which is the region with the highest proportion of non-UK born residents, at 37%, and non-British residents, at 23%), as seen in Figure 1.

There were three local authorities (all within London) where just over half of the population were born outside of the UK (Newham at 53%, Westminster at 52%, and Brent at 51%)."

Please tell me how Brits are a minority in their own capital when non-UK born London residents stand at 37%, and non-British residents at 23%? Not only are YOU wrong, but you seem to have a problem grasping basic mathematics, because there is very little data change from the 2017 link I provided you with. Of course, you will doubtless come up with some more crappy links and feeble excuses, as let's face it, you are a population expert, forestry expert, and climate change expert.


You obviously think you do

BREXIT is simply a response by an apparent majority of the British to what many perceive as a loss of autonomy and are basically weary of being at the beckon call of "Big Bad Bruxelles"!

Europe, you can keep it, remains the battle cry of the average Brexiteer.
Now tell me I'm wrong, I dare you:-)

I have the problem with mathematics loooool???? Non uk born at 37% and non British at 23% means that 60% of londoners are either non uk born and/or non British.

Thus, only 40% are British born/British even though British born does not automatically make them of British ethnicity as a flipflopistani or ninja born in UK is still that and not ethnically British. It's simply addition and subtraction of data subsets in unions and intersections aka venn diagrams. Yet I have the trouble with math lololol.

Jesus christ... it's not a matter of being an expert it's a matter of citing countless sources which all confirm that ethnic white brits are a minority in Londonistan, unsurprisingly.

This is consistent with the earlier number which says white ethnic brits = 45% according to BRITISH CENSUS, BBC and FT!!!!

Last time I checked 45% is less than 51%, which is a majority.

Seeing as ethnic brits are NOT 51% of the London population or more, they are a minority in london.

Unfortunately, what the UK is discovering is that those countries want something in exchange for free trade. Probably you haven't been following it that closely, but for instance:

India: free trade dependent on increased Indian immigration to the UK.
USA: decreased regulations, particularly with agricultural products, as well as access to the NHS by American companies - both of these are a no-no with the British public.

EU: harmonisation with existing EU regulations
China: fair enough, they've made it clear that they see it as a win-win, but this article - spectator.co.uk/2018/08/making-china-great-again/ - shows that it will come at the price of sovereignty. It will also clearly involve increased Chinese immigration into the UK, as this is what China does.

Maybe it's just my perspective, but it seems insane to give up freedom of movement with Poland in exchange for an open door for Indians.

The 60% includes the following: people born outside of uk i.e. a Pakistani or pole who moved to london, non British born in UK i.e. Pakistani born in uk.

Thus, the remaining 40% includes ethnic brits born in UK i.e. an ethnic brit born in london and ethnic brits born elsewhere I e. An ethnic brits born in say france or elsewhere who moved to london which would be a tiny portion. And such people are a minority in london.

Just because it says that 23% are non British doesn't mean that 77% are ethnically British or that because non uk born are 37% uk born are 63% since this doesn't consider both uk born and ethnically british, uk born but not ethnically British, ethnically British but born elsewhere, and both non British and born elsewhere.

That is where the 40 45% figure comes in. That group IS ethnically british, but includes ethnic brits born in uk which would the most of that group and ethnic British but born outside of uk. In the same manner people who are not ethnically British would be 55, 60%. This is consistent with 23% Non British (but born in uk as opposed to abroad) and 37% Non uk born (born abroad and non british).

Again, thus 60% of londonistanis are either non British and/or born abroad since it includes all the those non British but born in uk and those both non British and born abroad. ( It would also technically include ethnic British but born abroad in the 37% but that number is likely miniscule. )

And staying with the EU and basically any Brexit agreement to this point won't? Chinese at least though are far slyer than most other nationalities and they know how to play the long game. It starts with trade, then opening a few shops, then Chinese start immigrating more and more, soon rich Chinese kids are the majority at the top universities, intellectual property gets stolen, property values go up like crazy making locals unable to afford their old neighborhoods (just look at Vancouver or San Fran)


That's only two industries though out of almost a hundred and agriculture being very minor. But no, they shouldn't allow American companies like Monsanto to enter the UK and **** up everyone's food or Purdue and get a chunk of the population hooked on "non addictive" opiates and tons of other pills.

There's some 150-160 nations depending on how you're counting aside from the EU ones. No reason why Britain can't swap trade with EU for those countries. The Chinese are particularly keen on trading, the British just have to be smart about it. However, with the way things have been handled in the country the past 10-20 years I don't have the highest hopes.

The stats for London, 2011 census are:

White British 44.9%

Black British 13%

Indian British 6.6%

So that's 63.6%.


The figure of 37%includes 24.5% born outside of Europe.

The British born population of Inner London is 57.8%.
The British born population of Outer London is 66.9%

The total British born population of London (inner and outer) is 63.3%.

Exactly. So brits are a minority in their own capital. No such thing as an ethnically black british. Jamaicans are not ethnically british Caucasians, they are negroid. Uk is a European country, or atleast use to be.

Also British born does not mean they are of British ethnicity.

Minority in their own capital... and they think brexit will save them lol

Exactly. However facts are less interesting for some than nonsense.

Blacks are blacks, Indians are indians. Those are not ethnically british people. That's like saying poles or Tajikis are russian because they were colonized by them decades/centuries ago.

The fact is ethnically british people are a minority in their own capital.

Still an astonishing figure that would have been all but incomprehensible for the vast majority of British history! Britain (especially England) is the world leader in fluidity as described by Zygmunt Bauman, which is one reason so much of the traditional nation state appartatus is being systematically dismantled which is why not even two thirds of the population of the capital were even born in the country.

Imagine trying to describe that situation to someone in 1978...

I dunno - I imagine there were times in the 19th century when Irish were a large proportion, times in the 17th century when French were. Its a big city with a transient population.

Most people are not obsessed with ethnicity- if someones Dad arrived from Barbados in 1950 he has as much right to be there as someone whose Dad arrived from Poland in 1945. They are both taxpaying British citizens.

But over a third of the population?! I kind of doubt it.


then they were British born... if I understand correctly over a third of the population of the greater london area were not born in the UK. That is just astonishing...

Yes. British people come in all shapes, sizes, skin colours and religions.

So how does one define "British" beyond "happens to be on a particular chunk of the planet called 'Britian'"?

Atch - what is your opinion on Sammy Wilson? Funny guy..........?

How about somebody who is a British citizen.

Yes, or simply identifies as British. There's no hard and fast rule about someone's identity; it's a very personal thing.

What responsibilities does that entail? What practical meaning does that have within Britain


If it's entirely subjective then it doesn't exist in any real form. Modern England has nothing like common values, or a common history or even much of a common (home) language. It seems like a bunch of atomized individuals who happen to be near each other geographically (and who organize into short term alliances, gangs, on the basis of race, ethnicity, language or religion) for self-protection (since the police are no longer charged with protecting citizens from crime)

It doesn't imply any responsibility - it is not America where people queue in the playground to salute the flag.

Of course you have to live within the laws of the land but so does Paul Pogba and he is not British, just a French dude who lives in Britain.

Then it doesn't mean anything.... okay, a weird choice for people inhabiting Britain to make, but if they're happy as a bunch of atomized individuals with no state provided services* then that's their call to make

*look at budget cuts to police, education, health and other social services and tell me they're not being phased out...

It's certainly a lot more than the cynical thing that you feel it 'seems'. A lot of shared values and activities, and communities who work together. Even in Northern Ireland (the subject of this thread) where there is a history of animosity between communities, there is common ground.


The police there are still good, among the best trained in the world, despite Tory budget cuts.


Largely people do that.