After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU

some f'rinstances would be nice...


such as....

Bwhahahahahah oh man that was funny...

Yeah, that's why less than 10% are armed despite Londonistan's murder rape recently exceeding NYC's and they totally ignore the child groomers all around the country so as to be PC.

Their thought crime division is on point though, I'll concede that.

And this is how it will stay.


Exists only in your mind.

London was very small for most of Britain's history and it was always a melting pot of different nationalities. The 12 boroughs of Inner London have been socially, racially, ethnically mixed for decades. But what people overlook is that the UK as a whole is still almost 90% white British - and in parts of the UK the population is literally 99% white and British.

I lived in London and had many black and Indian neighbours and work colleagues. They're just typical Brits, they eat fish and chips :) they follow the football, they watch telly, they don't live in some weird twilight world. Culturally they are predominantly British.

If ethnic brits want to know what their future will look like once they're a minority in the whole of uk (will occur around 2045 2050) and not just london just look at the native Americans who also became a minority in their own land. It didn't end up to good for em. Ditto with the various places Russians took over and gradually started replacing.

And yes british police do suppress freedom of speech and have arrested and fined people for posts online that doesn't follow their cultural Marxism agenda, in other words thought crime. That's not indispisputable. No problem with choudrys neckbeard brigade marching with signs reading sharia 4 uk, uk go to tell, uk police go to hell, etc

zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-24/uk-thought-police-detaining-opponents

google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3739348/amp/Scotland-Yard-ploughs-2million-new-thought-police-unit-snoop-web-users-hunt-trolls.html

Guess trolls on the web are more of a threat than child grooming gangs or known jihadis more. Even with all of its ills atleast the US has freedom of speech. Even watching an isis video for research or curiosity can get you in trouble in the uk.

Just more reality that you ignore since it doesn't conform to your multi kulti worldview, just like that statement muslims are no or less violent than others. Still cant cite a religious group thats committed more than 900 murdered and several dozen suicide bombings last month alone let alone debate, rather you'll just write condescending things since you don't have facts or statistics to back up your sources and disregard those that contradict it.

F me sidewise, you're still yapping about it? Geez, are you a British? What do you care?

I've explained this before I have family in uk, I worry about them. Atleast back in thatchers time when etunic brits were still the majority in london other Europeans were safe. Id hate for my neice to get groomed by some 'asian' or one of them to get stabbed, especislly those in london. Just this past week my cousins neighbor was arrested for terrorism and that was Newcastle not even london. And I never wrote f ethnic brits, I wrote IF ethnic brits....

Also this is a discussion about brexit, I pointed out that brexit whether leave or stay won't fix many of the countries problems which are on a far deeper level.

Probably best to avoid the Arthur's Hill area, where the recent arrest happened. It's a hugely deprived area with endemic poverty. People who can afford better don't live there.

No ****, that's why many late teen, early 20 undergrad students live there especially since it's a mile away from the uni.


And there it is! Indeed, undesirable due to the fact that the large amount of 'asians' are driving up the crime rate and poverty levels.

A foul area. Always has been.

Hard to see what your feigned angst about Newcastle has to do with Ulster...

Yup even in the 70s it had a lot of 'asians.'

I don't have any 'feigned angst' about Newcastle, it's a much better place than London imo not least because ethnic brits are still the majority. Arthur's hill is still a hell of a lot better than tower hamlets that's for sure. Yesterday there was an armed robbery of a jewelry store, unsurprisingly the 5 people caught were all 'Asians.'

and idk wtf you're talking about with ulster. I never wrote anything about ulster...

A lot of poverty since the Nineteenth Century. The British Asian population are a welcome improvement.


Exactly. This thread however is about Ulster.

Not about your rantings over people with darker skin and better lives than yourself.

I'm sure the people of Newcastle welcome jihadi terrorists and smash and grab robbers - that's just this week alone. That 'improvement' is one of the main reasons why Brexit passed - control of borders. What were those British woman's words? Balkanized, out of control, they keeping rolling in and in, too much, etc. That 'Asian' population is the reason why 600k ethnic Brits moved out of London alone.


You should definitely get a baiting/abuse for that statement. Instead of debating facts you prefer to condescend and attack a person since you either lack the intellectual capacity or knowledge to prove my statements are false, or simply you know they are true but still prefer to follow a false worldview, i.e. cognitive dissonance... Right, I just wish I could live in a country with open sewers everywhere or have to cross numerous borders illegally just so I can remain unemployed for 5+ years to get 1,200 EU a month for free.


Most discussions in this thread pertain to Brexit.

They certainly welcome new Novocastrians from all over the world. However angry that makes you.


A natural thing to do. A rant is a rant. And always on the same subject regardless of the thread. Obsessional, and like a broken record.


The thread however 'pertains' to Ulster. Perhaps that's less interesting for some, since there are very few darker-skinned people there for them to whinge and lie about.

It doesn't make me angry at all. In fact, it makes me laugh how ridiculous things have become over there. If i was writing in anger i wouldn't use certain quips i.e. ninjas, flipflopistanis, thought crime police, etc. and i'd instead be writing with an angry tone, not one that pokes fun at the situation. They even ban adverts with women in bikinis lol. I'm overjoyed that my motherland hasn't fallen into such lunacy. It's a good baseline for what not to become as a country/society.


If it was just me, fine whatever, but you do it to EVERYONE that you disagree with - even with ironside just a few minutes ago. Only people who lack either the required intellectual capacity to debate or have extreme cognitive dissonance and don't want their worldview proven false do those kind of things repeatedly.

Laugh more about gun crime, and children dying in police hands.


Why 'debate' with you? This isn't a debating club.

I do have a dark sense of humor sometimes. Nonetheless, I am a realist and know that the amount of kids that die at police hands, whether in the US or rest of the world, is a fraction of the people that die at black people's hands (FBI stats prove that despite being 14% of population, African americans account for over half of all violent crime) or at the hands of migrants in europe. Now is that racist, xenophobic, etc.? Maybe, maybe not. But either way, it doesn't change that the statement is factual and can be verified.

The problem with cultural Marxists such as yourself is that they refuse to look at things in an objective manner or consider facts that challenge their worldview. Instead, they attack the person saying it because the facts scare them so much because it challenges their worldview. The next step is to be so 'triggered' that a safe space and playdoh is required.


Why bother replying then? Most people come here for a discussion, usually in the form of a debate, learn something new, etc. Why do you bother replying to people's posts then? The only reason you reply with condescending statements is because it stimulates the pleasure center in your brain. And you do them repeatedly, to every person's post that you disagree with. That's pretty ****** up....

No bad thing; you and me both.


Historically, black people are far more likely to be victims. Nowadays too.

Though not in Ulster.

Or are you referring here to the so-called "Black Irish"?

Those people are citizens of the country but they're not ethnically irish, british, european, etc. They maybe have some European blood as europeans have African blood, but it would be a small amount. Ethnic British means british, welsh, etc whites, seeing as Britain is a European country and Europe for eons has been p.opulated by mostly Caucasians.

Eh... one British person told me that "British" was most often used as self-description by those who could not claim English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish* ancestry. But IIRC Naomi Campbell self identifies as English so I'm not so sure about that.

I tend to prefer language and cultural arguments over genetic ones, by which metric Blacks in England are more likely to be English than say Muslims or others who place religious identity above others**

*however you define that...

**much of the muslim world is fairly bad at organizing at the national level, they have organizations below the country and above it but not real functional national identities (Turkey would be the main exception thanks to Ataturk's nation building policies, as disastrous as those were on non-Muslims and non-Turks)

Yes, it's definitely going that way, though for instance - I would view the child of immigrants as English/Scottish/whatever - British would only apply to people who moved there. For instance, the well known children's author Judith Kerr is British-German to me, even though she was born in Germany and spent a good bit of her childhood there. I can't speak for England, but in Scotland, people are viewed as Scottish if they're culturally from there. On the other hand - I have a friend who was born to ME parents in the UK, and she self-identifies as British but not English. I identify her as English, though.

On the other hand, you get people like Loyalists in Northern Ireland who claim to be British, though it's hard to see them as anything other than Northern Irish, and I definitely wouldn't agree with their self-declared identity.

The census uses White British, Black British, Asian British, etc. I'd never say that some black guy who was born and brought up in London is somehow "not British', though I'd view him personally as English.

I'm afraid Lyzko has confused people with his reference to Black Irish. He means ethnically Irish people with black hair who were mistakenly thought to be descended from the sailors of the Spanish Armada who were shipwrecked off the Irish coast. It's not a term used in Ireland, it's an old American/Canadian term of reference.


A lot of black people in England are mixed race and there are many mixed families. But it's really a cultural thing. Black people born in the UK are culturally very much British and seen as such by their white neighbours. If somebody is born in England, especially to parents who were born in England, and they speak with an English accent, then they're seen as an English person with black skin, not as an African.

Just because a person is born in another country and adopts the culture, dialect etc doesn't mean their ethnicity is of that country. Plenty of poles were born in the Soviet Union during the deportations under stalin and grew up speaking russian and living in eastern russia. Doesn't make them russian though. Same as the boers living in s.a. speaking afrikaans, they aren't africans, they are ethnically dutch.

Regardless white ethnic brits (the real british people native to the isles) are still a minority in their own capital. Or English if we're being specific...

Well firstly of course ethnicity and race are two different things. A person can be racially African but ethnically English. The Oxford English Dictionary defines ethnicity as:

"the fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition." So if your grandparents were mixed race Jamaicans who emigrated to England in 1955 and your parents were both born in England and you were born in England, your ethnicity can certainly be seen as English.

Equally Boers in South Africa certainly don't see themselves as Dutch but as South Africans. They have a separate and unique culture that retains influences of their Dutch heritage but they are white South Africans, not Dutch.

Im not talking about race vs ethnicity. Im talkimg about nationality esp in relation to citizenship/residency vs ethnicity. I.e. Boers see their nationality as south african. Ethnically theyre most certainly dutch.

Boer (dictionary) - a member of the Dutch and Huguenot population that settled in southern Africa in the late 17th century.

Same with Jamaicans, pakistanis, poles, etc. They may see their nationality as british, especially those born in uk, but they certainly are not ethnically british, or English if we're being specific

Nationality is the relationship between a person and the political state to which he belongs or is affiliated. Ethnicity is the identification of a person with a particular racial, cultural, and/or religious group.

Was only joking there, Atch:-)

Am quite familiar with the Isle of Aran and those legion Spanish seafarers of old who landed there and before long began procreating like mad, spawning a whole bunch of black-haired Irish, Spanish descent mixed with native Celtic!

Believe too that the latter represented among the last pure "Erse" aka Irish Gaelic speakers with the latter as their first and primary mother tongue, not English.

Last one died out sometime in the last century, I think.

Where does that definition of ethnicity come from? I'm interested.


Even if you include race in the definition of ethnicity, then Afrikaaners are they are called nowadays are not Dutch. Their nationality is South African, their race is white, their culture is Afrikaans, their ancestry is Dutch.

I think maybe your thinking is influenced by the American way of identifying oneself as Italian or Irish or indeed Polish based on one's ancestry, that concept of I'm American but I'm also Italian, because one of my grandfathers emigrated to America from Italy.

Their language is also Afrikaans, of course, simply nothing more than the descendent of Southern Dutch dialects spoken during the latter half of he 19th century, at around the time the Boers or Voortrekkers arrived in what is today the Transvaal region of South Africa! Their Dutch is closest to 18th century language.

From Mein Kampf.... actually softschools.com. first thing that pops up when you Google ethnicity vs nationality

If we're now including yet another factor, ancestry, which is literally defined as ones family or ethnic descent by Oxford dictionary than all the more reason that people who are ethnically British/have british ancestry are not going to be blacks from Jamaica, muslims from pakistan, etc living in the uk. Those people have british citizenship, nationality but certainly not ethnicity or ancestry unless some british soldier got frisky with some Jamaican or pakistani girl which would then be mixed ethnicity and ancestry.

This is why the British census uses terms like white british black british asian british etc. It combines british nationality with an ethnic/ancestral component. And white british, the people who are of real English ancestry and ethnicity seeing as ancestry is defined as ones ethnic descent, are a minority in london.