After Brexit, Northern Ireland may obtain a special status in the EU

Delph isn't referring to Polish criminals. He's referring to the cultural differences between ordinary Poles and ordinary Brits. He's right that Patel in the corner shop doesn't bother Brits because Indians are far more culturally assimilated than many Poles. The Indians who settled in the UK sixty or seventy years ago were strongly culturally influenced by their Colonial past. They spoke English, had the same legal system, had a history of service in the British army, etc. The Poles who arrived in the UK ten years ago were complete fish out of water. I know how weird Irish people found the Poles at first. They were so rude, unfriendly and brusque by our standards and appeared to have little respect for our country or culture. But in fairness to them, most of them adapted very well over time.


Asian has always been the term used in the UK to describe people from the Indian sub-continent. It's not a euphemism so there's no need to put it in quotes. In America you use the term to describe people from the Far East but in the UK it has a different meaning.

then what happened with Pakistanis? The two populations seem to have very different outcomes both in terms of assimilation and economic, educational and social outcomes.

I understand that Brits might not have problems with Patel in the corner store, but who do they have a bigger problem with, Paweł who gets drunk and passes out in his own vomit on the corner of Faisal and his mates who are pimping out the neighbor's daughter?

Yes to make it more convoluted. Asian refers to e asians basically everywhere except uk. Everyone knows though that the terror attacks, child grooming gangs, etc are caused by a certain group of 'asian' namely arabs and pakis but the brits are pc to an extreme. So instead of being specific they ruin the name of asians in general. I have yet to see a philipino guy blowing up a british double decker or groups of Koreans grooming kids.

What about the NHS?

A problem manufactured by budget cuts.

"Spending on public health, and doctors' and nurses' training in England is set to fall next year "

bbc.com/news/health-46036800

The government's policy is apparently to eventually stop training locals in medicine and to import medical staff from other countries to make up for the government causes 'shortages'.

If the UK can't train its own doctors and nurses then they should keep their grubby little paws off staff needed in other places.

There's some logic to it. It's expensive to train them in the UK, and by simply stealing foreign-trained ones, you get them for free.

England really is a horrible example of what happens when you try to outsource everything in sight. Thankfully, the other nations seem to be doing everything in their power to keep away from it.

For low grade scammers, there's a lot of logic to it. But there's no need for it besides elite greed

That's what poland is doing too. They're looking more and more to the Philippines

It's weird. Every single philipino girl I know is a nurse. Like literally 100%. And theres quite a decent sized philipino community here.

You'd think that with all the people who have flooded into the uk especially from the 3rd world they'd fill the vacancies for doctors and nurses. Yet it's poles who are filling these jobs more and more in the uk. Could it be because 3rd worlders have a lower educational attainment and less skills? Hmm....

The entire economy of the Philippines seems to be based on exporting semi-skilled and medium skilled labor (nurse is about as high as it goes)

Polish nursing training compares favorably with neighboring countries but the medical establishment and the Polish government are determined to keep wages low (and working environments hostile) and so most graduates end up emigrating or working in other fields....

I don't think Poland will be an appealing destination for Filipina nurses... so I don't see that happening. There are programs designed to get Ukrainian healthcare workers into the Polish system but there are skills and education gaps to deal with....

asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Poland-cracks-door-open-for-Filipino-workers


Pretty much. The government encourages it too due to the remittances they send back. There's numerous schools where Philippines, especially women, train to become nurses, home health care, hospitality workers, etc in Europe and the richer gulf states.

Poland recently made an agreement with the Philippines to bring health care workers in. Personally, I haven't seen many Ukrainians working in the hospitals in more professional positions, but that can change in due time. Most of the Ukrainians I've encountered tend to work in lower skilled type jobs like driving taxis, working on building sites as laborers, agriculture, factories, etc. The women tend to go into home care, cleaning, working in kitchens, hotels, some of them light manufacturing work. Although there are Ukrainians working in more skilled fields from what I've seen it's been mostly IT related work. Haven't encountered many Ukrainian doctors, nurses, etc. yet.

The programs are in place now, an acquaintance in the medical field was on a committee tasked with determining whether a bridge course originally intended for upgrading Polish nurses' qualifications could be used to turn Ukrainians (from salowa to felczer) into nurses.

The preliminary answer was no (citing differences in systems and qualifications) but that was overridden as there are interests (public and private) trying to fill in nursing shortages by any means possible (except, you know, for increasing nursing pay and improving working conditions for nurses).

Yeah it seems the best way to deal with the pesky nurses and doctors asking for a reasonable wage increase is to gradually replace them with less skilled immigrants from Ukraine. That's globalization for ya though... The government bumped up the pay and overall spending but it's still had a minor effect.

The doctors and nurses working at the state hospitals are paid peanuts. Like you really have to love what you do and not be in it for the money to keep working there. The Polish doctors have increasingly been opening up private practices where they'll make much better money, not even necessarily those who went into medicine for the money but simply to have a half decent standard of living, so I guess those that left have to be replaced and its harder and harder to find young med students who actually want to work in state hospitals for peanuts.

That goes back to the early 90s, they have a state job for ZUS but make their money from private clinics.

And it will become much worse after the lies of Farage and Johnson about the £600 million per week going to the NHS after Brexit.

Yeah but it's been even more so in the past 5-10 years. There wasn't this many doctors especially specialists when I was a kid. You didn't have like specialists in everything from dermatology to podiatry... especially dermatology as there so many advertising things like laser hair removal, botox, medical spa, etc.

then time for the uk to start training its own medical professionals instead of poaching other countries


no, it's always been very high numbers... the other thing you're talking about is a rise in elective processes (often not involving doctors at all)

It was £350 million actually, but you're still right, the problem will get worse. That was one of the biggest whoppers that was told. The very evening that the Brexit results were in, it was admitted that the £350 million figure was " a mistake ". Course it was.

I saw a few sources that made different claims:: express.co.uk/news/uk/975322/brexit-news-nhs-funding-600-million-week-victory-leave-european-union

One of many. Now the brexiteers are terrified of a People's Vote.

And meanwhile, the economy declines, sterling slides and politicians bicker.

Because those who voted before weren't people? That's pretty arrogant! Not to mention that any name with "People's" in it carries the stench of communism...

theguardian.com/politics/2018/dec/29/cross-party-stop-the-clock-hard-brexit-no-deal-29-march

....months now....years later...

Smoooooooth! ;)

BREXIT is turning out to be one expensive failure!

primarily because those in charge of effecting it are trying to sabotage the process...

And how.

How are they sabotaging it ?

Ireland will become the saviors of the E.U.
Researchers analysing soil from Ireland long thought to have medicinal properties have discovered that it contains a previously unknown strain of bacteria which is effective against four of the top six superbugs that are resistant to antibiotics, including MRSA.

Antibiotic resistant superbugs could kill up to 1.3 million people in Europe by 2050, according to recent research.
Give Ireland special status in the E.U.

Interesting, didn't know that. The 350 million figure was originally spouted about by Boris Johnson and plastered on the side of the big red bus which toured the length and breadth of the country.

The electorate was fed false information and down right lies about Europe, Idiots were also led to believe that Brexit would stop migrants entering Britain, the people took a vote on Shite information and down right lies, now we have Brexit, watch the roofs come off the factories as they did in the 70's., goodbye social welfare and NHS , the same morons who voted Brexit will be rioting and raiding the supermarkets, the fat cats have already prepared their exit.

I rarely agree with you on politics, Dolno, however an outcome similar to the one you suggest could actually happen it it goes ahead. Certainly hyperinflation is a risk.

I personally know people who have happily lost hundreds of thousands of pounds by moving, ring fencing private assets and wealth out of the UK,

These people are totally aware that their businesses are likely to go under after Brexit regardless of it being soft or hard, but the banks and the UK tax authorities will take the hit when it happens.

I know German and french suppliers, buyers who are already boycotting business in the UK.

I know some here will laugh at what I am saying as they did when said Trump will win the election. the world is changing and not for the best.