Let's debate American Politics

@johnny reb

I don't know why there's so many black children that grow up with fathers. It's not like there aren't any whites, Asians, Hispanics, etc. that grow up without fathers. However, in the black community especially in poorer areas the rates are so much higher than any one else. One of the many reasons for this is because a single mother with 2 3 kids with no father present qualifies for more government programs hence receives more funds.

There are successful blacks though too. Like the area of bronzeville in Chicago has what many call 'buppies' meaning black urban professionals. Also there's several south suburbs like matteson or country club hills that are majority black but are very clean, have low crime, high rates of home ownership, etc. It's more populated by older residents and a lot of families though. In Atlanta too there's a lot of successful blacks and they have their own areas with palatial homes.

Personally I kind of wish in a way we had conscription or at least some kind of like bootcamp that teens go through once they hit 18 or something or like even the last semester of high school. We need to toughen up the young generations. Most of them know nothing beyond facebook, playstation, and complaining and whining that they aren't getting free stuff and have to work if they want to be successful. Make a system kind of like in Israel where everyone has to serve in the army for a brief period of time. It would teach youngsters discipline, leadership skills, working as a team, and most importantly responsibility. They'd get use to waking up at 5 6 AM and making your bed absolutely perfect very quick.

One of the craziest things I've seen on TV (I think on Tucker Carlson) is a daughter threatening to sue her parents because they didn't want to pay for all her college tuition and wanted her to work for part of it. That's how damn spoiled kids are. Hell I was mixing concrete and painting with my dad when since I was like 12 13 or so years old. I got my first 'official' job at 15 stacking tiles in a warehouse at $9.00 an hour which was actually a pretty good wage especially for a teen since it was like $3 $4 higher than the minimum wage at the time.

BLM and Antifa unite!

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I always hear the saying "thats my baby daddy" or whoever else on the Maury Povich show can do a paternity test on.....lol


Rachael Dolezal, she's white as a ghost and should of a least tried going to a tanning booth!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/07/rachel-dolezal-new-interview-pictures-exclusive

I can't understand how she fooled them for that long of a period of time.

[quote=TheOther]You are making the false assumption that everybody in this country has the same chance to move up the social ladder. Whites, Asians, Hispanics, African Americans and Native Americans are not treated equally in the USA quote]

If they're able bodied, don't have down syndrome or other mental or physical handicaps, yes they absolutely do. That's the whole purpose of America. There's far too many examples of people of all races and nationalities who lived in poverty came from bad areas with terrible schools yet they've became very wealthy and successful. If someone sets a goal and works towards it they can achieve it - the hard part is doing the work which too many people don't feel like doing and then blame others or something else for why they failed or gave up. It's a lot easier to blame someone for your shortcomings and give up than pull yourself up, learn from the experience, and work through it till you succeed. Racism shmacism - this isn't the 1930's or even the 1960's. African americans especially have tons of programs that they can take advantage of to make it easier for them to go to college or even get into a trade like firefighter. The smart ones take advantage of that while far too many others are fine with just sitting on their ass smoking weed and living off the government.

It's easy to blame obstacles. Well get over it and move on. Even the first black women to enroll during the civil rights movement had to face discrimination and racism everyday. Did that bother her? I'm sure - but she had a goal and that was to graduate and she worked has as hell to get it. Harder than most are willing to go to. She's a perfect example to all the people who blame outside forces for why they can't succeed on their own. If you have like a serious handicap that's understandable but I'm talking about everyday normal able bodied adults. Hell I even read an article recently about a quadriplegic who graduated with a bachelor's and the guys totally handicapped. Like that black girl - he had a goal, made a plan, worked hard and didn't allow his handicap to stop him. Too many people face one an obstacle or some kind of difficulty and just give up. Well that's B.S. If I gave up every time something didn't go my way or because some external force threw a monkey wrench in my plans I would've never finished college and went on to get a masters and good paying jobs.

When we came to the US we didn't know the customs, didn't know the language, didn't have citizenship, didn't have money, didn't have an education, and lived in a very bad neighborhood. The first rug we had in our house was found in an alley and my mom would clean it constantly but it still smelled like cats. No B.S. dude - hand over my heart. How is it that other people like Chinese, Indians, Cambodians, Bulgarians, Russians, poles, and even Hispanics are or were in the same position as us yet there's countless success stories of these people achieving the American dream? It seems as if people who come from abroad whether it's india asia or Europe tend do better than americans who have been here their whole lives. Now why is that? There's definitely discrimination against Muslims and even they tend to do very well around here. There's so many immigrants who have to basically relearn everything and adopt to a foreign land yet they manage to go from arriving with a few suitcases and no English knowledge and limited resources and despite all that after some 10 15 20 years they're shopping for $1 mil homes the suburbs. Even Mexicans - many own very profitable businesses like mechanic shops, landscaping companies, construction companies, restaurants, etc. Many of these mexicans started by mowing lawns or painting houses till they learned the trade well enough, saved up money, and formed their own company. They work hard - sun up to sun down to ensure their business is successful. Yet it's so hard for an American who's a citizen from birth and knows the language to achieve similar success when they don't have to deal with a fraction of things immigrants? I'm sorry I don't buy it.

We, just like the masses of other immigrants from Hispanic to Asian to European, had everything going against us and we managed to succeed. Why? because we work hard, we didn't live beyond our means, we gathered as much knowledge as we could, and we assimilated into American society. The main reason why we achieved success if through HARD WORK. Hell even the Muslims that come here from Palestine oftentimes with nothing but the clothes on their back end up owning gas stations and commercial businesses after only a decade or two. Why is it that white trailer trash or a black guy in the hood can't do the same? If they're able bodied they can - they just don't to put forth the effort and aren't prepared to work sun up to sun down.

Look at even that black surgeon who was in the republican primary. I forget his name it completely slipped out of my mind. Anyway he grew up in Detroit in abject poverty but through HARD WORK and PERSERVERENCE he's now a multimillionaire and one of the best surgeons in America. He put himself through school and his situation is almost exactly the same as millions of blacks living in the ghetto or whites living in trailers or appalachia. There's no reason why other blacks or anyone else for that matter cant achieve the same as him. In fact, if they even put in just a little effort and ambition into a uni or job with affirmative action type programs they have it far easier than whites or Asians and will pay less for the same education (Asians use to have similar help but now they're overrepresented on campuses and good paying jobs). So yes, you're right in a way - European, Chinese, Indian, etc. immigrants have it much harder since we have to basically start all over in a new country. Yet how is it that we're able to succeed but American citizens can't? Hard work, perseverance, saving money, getting an education, etc. are the answers.

It's the 'American Dream'. which given that it's got the highest percentageof people living in poverty in the Western world, obviously is a heap of crap.


Can you see a teensy weensy problem here? If all those people made millions and were so wonderfully successful in their careers, who would clean their toilets, wash their cars, fry their burgers, can their food, wait their tables or sit in call centres speaking to them?

@jon357

There's always going to be unskilled low wage workers in each country . I have no problem with someone who's working at a low wage. I have infinitely more respect for them than welfare section 8 leeches.

However if a person Wants to advance beyond that its their responsibility to move up the ladder, not society's. Such people gradually save money get an education even if its a trade take night classes or even save up to open their own business. That's what my family and countless of other immigrants from all corners of the world did on the U.S.. Its seems more immigrants are able to attain the American dream than Americans who were born as citizens white black whatever.

Also a person living in poverty on say minimum wage or on welfare has it infinitely better than some dude in haiti. Such Americans in poverty aren't starving while those living in poverty in places like Africa and India are. We have next to zero people living on $2 a day or less. That's what fuel generally accepted amount of poverty is around the world.

I'm surprised that you have asked this question. Isn't W***** the obvious response to that?

That's because anyone earning less then $15,000 a year in America is considered poverty level jon.
You don't live here so I understand why you would be ignorant to that fact and try to spin it with your Commie propaganda.

Did you know that more people were on food stamps under Obama then there are Trump ?
Did you know that there were less home owners under Obama then there are Trump ?
Did you know there are 70% less illegals coming across the boarder now then when Obama was president.
See the Liberal bias media ignores Trumps accomplishments so there is no way you would know about them.


More spin on your Commie propaganda.
Not many people in the U.S.A. make millions, we are talking about people that make three times the poverty level which would allow you to buy a home, own two cars and go on vacation once a year which is the American Dream.

You spin the American Dream as becoming a multi millionaire.

Wrong as usual, jimmy; or were you just trying to sneak out another of your 'dead man still lives in Iran' specials?

Well he is dead now isn't he. lol

What a tremendous Trump rally in Arizona last night !
Many signs in the huge crowd of supporters that said, "Blacks for Trump" & "Women for Trump".
Trump said that the American media can not love their Country in what they have done and what they are doing.
The crowd loved it with their deafening cheers.
Then of course the Liberal Left Commies showed up to counter protest the rally as normal with their HATE and started throwing rocks and bottles at the police again.

I think the police ought to be able to use lethal force when they are attacked with such deadly weapons.
Just start shooting those Liberal Commies Sons a B itches that attack people with deadly weapons.
That would end their weekly meltdowns really quick.

Also it seems the Russian Collusion has been traced back to an inside job with Russia having NOTHING to do with it.
I wonder how the Liberal drive by media is going to report that.
My guess is that they will try to blame it on Trump. lol

See many "Hispanics Para Trump" signs?


Why doesn't he get on with governing instead of still campaigning? The election finished last year, he got three million fewer votes than Clinton, now he's supposed to get on with governing.


My favourite bit was when he complained about the media misquoting him and then misquoted himself.

That's because Crooked Hillary got over 5 million more illegal votes from non citizens.
Doesn't really matter though do to the fact Trump won and she is heading to prison where she belongs.
The faster you understand those FACTS Hairy the sooner you will get over your meltdown.



Hairy I do apologize as I just rounded the figure of the poverty level off to a round figure.
Since you get your nut off on being so anal retentive by splitting hairs (pun intended) by your trolling for the sake of a non sense pis sing contest I will post the exact poverty level for one and two people in the U.S.A.

2017 POVERTY GUIDELINES FOR THE 48 CONTIGUOUS STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Persons in family/household

Poverty guideline
For families/households with more than 8 persons, add $4,180 for each additional person.
1 $12,060
2 $16,240

Now take your prick trolling to another thread and don't come back to my thread.
You are no longer welcome on this one.

You're hilarious, jimmy: let's see even the vaguest of proof to support your laughable claim.


Got to love the trolling there, jimmy; you deliberately mis-spelling my name in the way that's supposed to get people banned shows you know you'd get your arse handed to you if you ever tried to debate by posting facts instead of lies, trolling and insults. $12,000 is the nearest round number to $12,060 but you claimed that "anyone earning less then $15,000 a year in America is considered poverty level". I pointed out that your post is either lying or moronic, or both.


I know full well that you do not welcome me posting in this thread: that's because when I post here it's often to point your lies or idiocy. If you don't want me to do that, post here only things which are true and not moronic.

What, you don't believe the nonsense written on Breitbart?

So in fact, the so-called 'American Dream' can only occur at the expense of others...


And in any other developed country. $15k is poverty level, yet many earn that or less.


He's worried about how much face he can save when he steps down.

Poor Hairy, you must have misunderstood that I was referring to a married couple which is $16,240 which rounds out to $15,000. (sigh)
If you are going to troll at least comprehend what you are trolling.


He has done more in his first six months then Obama did in six years and is now campaigning for 2020 Hairy.
Since you don't live in America or have never been here I understand why you are so ignorant with your trolling.


By choice jon, if they stay under the poverty level it qualifies them for free food, free health care (Medicaid), low cost housing, free college, free free free which adds up to another $15,000 a year or more.

Don't quote me Harry as it may be a tad more or less depending on how many children you have with your unearned income credits. lol

He hasn't done anything. Not a single legislative win, and he couldn't even find a way to gain even the slightest change to Obamacare.

It's the exact reason why voters have turned on him in key states, not to mention the latest polls that show him with only 35% voter approval against 59% disapproval.

That you are aware of you mean.
He is draining the swamp which I am loving, he just told pajama boy over in N. Korea to put up or shut up, there are less people on food stamps, there are 70% less people crossing the border illegally to name a few.

He started building the Wall in March.
The stock market is having a rally ever since he was elected.
He cancelled TPP to keep jobs in America.
The Vets are starting to get the care that they deserve.
He signed into law the funds to build the military back up that Obama ran into the ground with neglect
He lowered business tax to 15% where Crooked Hillary proposed to raise them to 61%
In short, he has done more for the people of this country in his first six months then Obama did in six years.
You are a google wiz delph, google for yourself his long list of accomplishments so far.
You say he hasn't done anything only makes you look stupid.
Give credit where credit is do and quit being so closed minded son.


Oh so that is Trumps fault. lol
No delph, that is the Republican Senators fault who had 7 years to put something together while Obama Care was failing.
They did NOTHING in those seven years to fix it or put a package together to fix it.
Trump has pen in hand waiting to sign anything they present him with so why do you blame Trump ??????
You are so clueless while spewing your Commie propaganda.
I really do think you are jealous seeing America excel under Trump as you seemed so tickled to see Obama run America into the ground.


Oh, so you still believe the Liberal polls, the same ones that said Crooked Hillary had an unbeatable lead. lol
Common delph, you have to see by now that the Liberal Left news media is just a tad bit bias can't you.
Trumps voting base is stronger then ever son, you just won't see that in the Liberal news that you google.
He just had a very successful rally in Arizona.
Just wait until his rally in San Francisco when all the Liberal Lefty Hateful Commies show up to disrupt it.
They start throwing rocks and bottles again at the police they are going to get their punk asses bloodied this time.
Trump has had just about enough of this hate from the Left and the Liberal Commie news media that is fueling their fire.
Time to start cracking their Liberal heads if that is the way they want to play.
That will give them something to howl about.
And it will all be Trumps fault. lol

So, Johnny, what is (if anything) Trump's fault? I don't want a sarcastic answer à la "It's his fault that there aren't so many damn wetbacks crawling around my hometown anymore, hehe!"

Is it Trump's fault that many of the United States' oldest allies are questioning whether they can continuing relying on the United States to honor its treaty obligations?

Is it Trump's fault that the specter of nuclear war on the Korean peninsula has been made, completely unnecessarily, quite real?

Is it Trump's fault that his administration is in complete chaos, surely making Xi Jingping and Vladimir Putin chortle with content?

What will Trump or his supporters actually own?

Then you shouldn't be asking sarcastic questions.
Some of our old allies have been warned to either start paying their share because American's are tired of giving them military protection at American tax payers expense while they skate on their treaty obligations.

How is that Trumps fault ?
Obama had a chance to stop N. Korea from obtaining nukes but instead chose to leave that mess for the next president to deal with.

And what a mess Trump inherited because obama didn't have the intestinal fortitude to deal with it.
Now N. Korea has them (and no doubt a few suit case one's already in New York, Chicago and L.A) and are a nuclear threat to America's allies like Japan, S. Korea, Guam, the Philippines.

That all didn't happen in the last six months Bobko.
How is that Trumps fault ?


You bet it is, he campaigned that he was going to drain the swamp from the dead weight, leakers of classified confidential material, obama left overs, and that is exactly what he is doing, draining the cesspool.

Trump is proud to own that one.
Is that a fault on Trumps part ?


Making America Great Again !
Now your turn, answer my questions without being sarcastic.

Here are my questions to you Bobko
Over the past couple of months the many unanswered questions surrounding the mysterious case of Debbie Wasserman Schultz's (DWS) IT staffers.
Why did DWS seemingly threaten the chief of the U.S. Capitol Police with "consequences" for holding equipment that was confiscated as part of an ongoing legal investigation ?

Why did DWS keep Awan on her taxpayer funded payroll all the way up until the day he was arrested by the FBI at Dulles airport while trying to flee the country to Pakistan ?

What, if anything, does the Awan family know about the DNC hacks that may have caused DWS to act in this way ?

I don't give a rat's ass about Debbie Wasserman Schultz man. I don't know why you figured these were the most relevant questions to ask me, or why you pegged me as a Democrat. DWS can fall over dead tomorrow, and I wouldn't care, and for what it's worth - I think she has a terrible Congressional record and has done a bad job as Chairwoman of the DNC.

Now regarding your answers to my questions (all of which were foreign policy-related in an attempt to make it somewhat more relevant for forum members):


North Korea has been a hot potato tossed from president to president since Bill Clinton. However, every president up until now had managed to refrain from entering a dick-measuring contest with the nuts in Pyongyang, and instead behaved like adults - acting through consultation with Japan and ROK, as well as the 6-party framework. What we have now, is Trump surprising even the South Koreans (who stand to lose the most here) with statements out of the blue that promise "fire and fury" or announcements that the US is "locked and loaded". We don't live inside a Hollywood action movie, and talking with deranged nuclear states on their own level is not good policy.


I wasn't referring to this old tired trope, but rather to the Copenhagen Accord, TPP, NAFTA, and others agreements that past administrations labored over. Some of these agreements took literally decades to negotiate, others have already been functioning for a long time and have become part of the fabric which binds countries' economies. Arbitratrily tearing these up makes America look like a third-rate banana republic that doesn't respect its obligations.


Seems you misunderstood my question, or do you consider people like Michael Flynn or Steve Bannon to be part of the Swamp? I thought these were the noble warriors of Truth who came in to help the Great Leader in his crusade? So far it looks like they're the only ones being drained, slowly, one by one.

See I disagree as it shut the bully up didn't it.
It gives Trump time to prove that Iran provided Korea with missile technology, missile components and money.
Trump is not Politically Correct and that is why you Liberal's are horrified by Trumps rational.
A Liberals rational is, "don't stand up to the bully and make him madder, just let him bully you until you can hide from him."


These were all horrible deals that America was getting the short end of the stick on the trade deficit. Trillions !


You must not read the news if you think Trump has only got rid of two people so far.
Flynn lied and Bannon leaked classified material.
I would have terminated them too.
How about:
Preet Bharara
Katie Walsh
James Comey
Michael Duhke
Walter Shaub
Sean Spicer
Michael Short
Derek Harvey
Reine Priebus
George Sifakis
Add those to your short list.


Which shows your lack of knowledge of her because you will before it's all over.
She is a key component who is going to give the Democrats and the Liberal media more then major gas when the truth comes out on that old girl.

She was a key component to it all.
She was Crooked Hillary's right hand and most likely will take the prison hit for Hillary.
And with all due respect Bobko if you don't want to take the time to answer my questions then I no longer have time to answer yours.

Now I know this'll make me an even more miserable creature in your eyes, perhaps, than if I were a Hillary supporter, but I was actually rooting for Jeb during the last GOP primaries and consider myself a Republican. But hopefully this would make you understand why I reacted as I did when you asked me to answer for DWS. Man that lady is a crook, and I don't care to defend her.

This is about Trump, and being a Republican doesn't mean I have to support his lyin' ass.

Good luck with that. It's actually the other way around, with North Korea acting as purveyor of missile and nuclear technology to Iran.

All indications are that the sudden leap in missile technology was achieved through the help of America's newest ally - Ukraine.

nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/asia/north-korea-missiles-ukraine-factory.html?mcubz=3&_r=0

Then I think we may be on the same team however they all lie.
I would have voted for Rubio


Nonproliferation experts have long suspected North Korea and Iran are sharing expertise when it comes to their rogue missile programs.
That is what I meant.
The very first missiles we saw in Iran were simply copies of North Korean missiles.
Over the years, we've seen photographs of North Korean and Iranian officials in each other's countries, and we've seen all kinds of common hardware.


No doubt about that and they most likely are supplying Iran also for their nuclear ambitions.
That is why Trump will have to blow up both N. Korea and Iran at once.
China will back N. Korea and Russia will back Iran.

You never have lived or been to the USA and thats an obvious fact!

Another fact is that you spend literally 24/7 on this forum denouncing America, a place you have never been too, which speaks volumes about your character!

Let your jealousy rage on hater!

DRAIN THE SWAMP GO TRUMP!!!!

Vlad`s propaganda will never end

There are only around 15 daily members (if that) still posting daily on this forum since Jon joined.

The Brit Bullies ruined this forum. What would they do without this place? Seems redundant at this point.

Plus he spends 24/7 on this forum denouncing Poland.


That comes as a surprise for me - Ukraine is yet another rogue state?