Let's discuss muslims, jews, buddhist, and christians

Looks to me as if someone doesn't understand what Catholics understand by apostolic tradition being valid.

Looks to me that I was right about delph not being able to produce any scripture from the Catholic Bible that says animals go to heaven when they die.

(More egg dripping from delph's face in so much we should start calling him "Egg Face" instead of Dirtball.)


Apostolic tradition is not scripture that you still fail to produce.

Now I know why the Admistrator posted this back in August of 2015.


It has become quite obvious that "Egg Face" is very uncomfortable with this thread and wants it closed.
My bet is that it will happen very soon.
Why haven't you PM'd me or called Adrian with your new address Egg Face ?
He said that he is looking VERY forward in meeting with you.

Are you claiming those were the words of Jesus Christ?


I'm incapable of religious faith, I don't take any holy text literally (except those parts that can be supported by non-religious moral philsophy).


You are entitled to believe that if you wish.


So Anne Frank is in hell right now.... do you find that comforting?

Believing in the Trinity and the burning bush being the Holy Spirit speaking to Moses and giving Moses the Commandments I would have to answer you with a definite YES.


A non believer would not understand such Faith which is understandable.


Many Jewish people (and others) stopped believing in God after the Holocaust.
We don't know whether Anne did or not, as we don't know her thoughts during her time in the concentration camps.
Her Jewish mother did expose her to believing in God.
It was Anne's choice to whether she did or didn't, not mine so no guilt on my part that you are trying to suggest in what I am comfortable with.

I am very comfortable that God knew her heart under the circumstance and it will be God who judges her, not you nor I.

What's funny is that you actually don't seem to understand how the Catholic Church works. Not a surprise, given that you're preaching a line of faith followed by fringe Protestants and which has no place in the Catholic Church.

If your idea of religion involves "scripture" as being the only source of Christian values, then you're at odds with 1.2 billion Catholics and 1.6 Muslims, all of which believe that there is a place for animals in Heaven.

Really and what I find funny is that you CAN NOT provide any scripture from the Catholic Bible that can back up your claim.
It's all JUST your opinion and an opinion from a non Catholic about Catholic scripture is meaningless.
Shall we move on now that you are unable to back up your opinion.
In fact I no longer want you posting rubbish in my thread.
Please refrain from posting in my thread as you are most unwelcomed here any longer.

Or at least those of the 1.2 billion who agree with the Pope, who says that Paradise is open to all of God's creatures.

Quite. It's been a pretty consistent line of the Catholic Church over the centuries. It's a very Protestant ideal to treat animals as solely utilitarian in nature and for them to be considered to be inferior to humans.

Johnny, please go away and learn about apostolic tradition. When you do, you can contribute to this discussion like a normal person.

Oh boy, here come the re enforcements.
Yes Hazzard you are totally correct, that is what mortal man (the Pope) says.


We are talking about SCIPTURE here Egg Face.
Now get lost.
(I didn't see either you at mass this morning) :-)

Hello, folks!

Really, we must all learn to distinguish between "faith" vs. "BLIND" aka unthinking faith:-) Faith teaches us that ALL of G_d's creatures shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven, be they Christians, heathens or Jews! Sinners who willfully and maliciously abuse such faith in order to commit perjury, act without conscience etc. shall be condemned to Hell (or Trump America, whichever comes firstLOL).

What Johnny and his ilk never seem to get is that a person can be a non-Christian, yet still go to Heaven based upon good works done on Earth. He furthermore typically confuses with intent to mislead true faith, earnest belief with blind zealousness, much as he confuses nationalism or jingoism with patriotism!

One can love their parents etc. yet be sharply critical of them on occasion. Same with one's homeland. "My country right or wrong!" didn't work before and it doesn't work now:-)

Certainly I imagine those that attempt to destroy other people's livelihoods are going to be damned forever.

Really, perhaps scripture is wrong in that case and you are right.
Lyzko said so it is true.......and Jesus Wept.
May I quote scripture for you my blind friend;
Ephesians 2:8

For it is by grace that you are saved, through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God, NOT BY WORKS, so that no one can boast.

Scripture from te Bible kinda blows your personal opinion right out of the water dunnit.


I couldn't have said it better myself as you have demonstrated above just how blind/ignorant you are to scripture.
Would you be offended if I called you a first class fool Lyzko ?


On the contrary, you got fired all by yourself.
I imagine that those who were looking out for the young children will be rewarded in heaven for saving them from potential immorality.

Not really. As already pointed out, at least 1.2 billion Christians believe that it's not the only source of truth. Most Anglicans (another 85 million or so) believe likewise, and there's another 200-300 Orthodox Christians who also believe in Holy Tradition as a source of truth in addition to "scipture" as you call it.

So, at least 1.5 billion Christians don't agree with you.

Your enough to make a preacher swear.

Except we are talking about scripture from the Bible which is the inspired word of God.
You are talking about the inspired word of mortal men's traditions.

Let me tell you a little story about traditions that may help you comprehend your dilemma.
Once there was a girl who went to her boyfriends family Easter dinner every year.
She noticed that the cooked ham always had one end of it cut off.
Finally one year she ask her boyfriend why that was.
He said that he didn't know but to ask his mother so she did.
Her mother said because that is always the way grandma cooked the Easter ham. (Tradition)
So she went to grandma and ask her why she cut the end of the ham to cook for Easter dinner.
Grandma replied, because it was to long to fit in the baking pan.
So there delph, now you know how/why "Traditional Truths" get started.
And since you don't believe in Jesus Christ I completely understand why you cant comprehend Holy Scripture.
Class dismissed for the day.

Johnny, as has been demonstrated to you, 1.5 billion Christians think differently.

Just stop, breathe and try and comprehend that for a second.

No they don't, we all believe in God Almighty.
You think by throwing out a big number like that intimidates me and makes you instantly right.
It doesn't.
We also believe that the souls of men go to heaven and animals don't have souls.
Wrestle with that for a minute.


Nothing has been demonstrated to substantiate your opinion.
Once you produce scripture from a Christian Bible that says when animals die they go to heaven (sigh) let me know.
Until then rattle on all you want with your pointless merry go round because you have lost the debate with your baseless opinions.
(As the egg keeps dripping)
This is WHY we Christians call people like you "Poor Lost Souls".
What is your new address, Adrian is very excited about meeting up with you when he comes to Poland.

Johnny doesn't comprehend, either because he chooses not to, or, more likely, he simply no longer can (..if he ever could)!
Pointless to argue with a fool who shows his foolishness by projecting such onto others aka myself, by then calling me one:-)

"Inherit The Wind" (1960) showed the truly frightening power of foolery by crucifying a man who's only "crime" was teaching truth.

You really are struggling to deal with how Catholicism works, aren't you?


I don't think he understands the idea at all of how the Catholic Church works. Obsessing over "scipture" is pointless when talking about 1.2 billion Catholics, because they consider the words of the apostles to be equally valid.

The start of this debate was about the Christian Bible which has been repeated endlessly which you are struggling with.
You want to debate Catholic Doctrine Traditions which are not the inspired word of God.
You have tried your damndest to bait me into challenging Catholic Doctrine on a Polish Forum (how sneaky) which I will not do.
The topic of debate here is that nowhere in the Holy Bible does it say that animals go to heaven when they die which Lyzko challenged as not being so.

Now let's stick to the topic of debate and not try to bait me into quite a different topic to confuse the issue at hand.

(Oldest trick in the book to use when you have lost a debate)


Oh johnny comprehends just fine as he has supported his claims directly from scripture from the Holy Bible. ie: Chapter and Verses
(Go back and read my posts for yourself)
You two on the other hand only support your claims that animals go to heaven when they die is mere personal mortal man's opinion with nothing to support it.

In fact Egg Face has posted that he doesn't even believe in Heaven.
Now he is posting that animals go to heaven when they die.
Koo Koo
And then their is you Lyzko that refuses to debate what the Holy Scripture says or to acknowledge that animals do not have souls to inherit the Kingdom.

Because if you did you would have to acknowledge that the only way to inherit Heaven is through Jesus Christ the Son of God as the Holy Bible teaches to us Christians which you Jews do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. .There's the conflict of beliefs.

Instead you elect to go on pointless merry go rounds that are off topic to avoid answering the questions that you are challenged with.
It might work to confuse the issue in your junior high classroom but here you will be challenged to what the Holy Bible actually says.

I have found you know very little about Holy scripture from the Christian Bible.
Therefore only a fool would pretend that they are some kind of an authority on animals going to heaven when they die even though you can't produce any scripture from the Holy Bible that substantiates such balderdash,

I don't know what the Jews believe about animals going to heaven when they die.
Please tell us what the Jewish Bible says about it.
Perhaps post some Chapters and Verses from the Jewish bible that confirm your opinion.
No pointless merry go round now as that was a simple enough request.

Your lack of knowledge of The Bible and Catholic doctrine is one of the most hilarious things on here, not least because with every post, you're proving that you cannot possibly have been raised Catholic or attended Catholic school.

The fact that you're on a Polish forum and denying one of the core aspects of the majority religion here rather says it all.

Now go away and try and learn something about Catholicism and why Catholics are content to listen to the teachings of their leaders rather than you.

There ya go, how could I have possibly punched a nun in the snout when I was nine years old ?


And what did you post next......


How did I know ? LMAO
It's you that is on the defensive here, not me from your lies.
You are a self proclaimed atheist and pretends to be an authority on the Christian Bible and Catholicism which you have failed miserably at.
So until you can tell me the chapter and verse in the Bible where animals go to heaven better you wipe more egg of your face and admit defeat.

Now get off my thread and don't come back, you are unwelcomed here.

Yet again, the largest Christian denomination doesn't have such a concept as "biblical literalism". If you knew anything about the religion, you'd know that Catholics look for the meaning in the words, which is why they believe in evolution and so on.

Do try reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church sometime, you might learn something about why Catholics don't agree with you. If their leaders are content to state that there's a place for animals in heaven, then there's a place for animals in heaven. It's that simple.

Many protestant denominations aren't very literalist either. That drives people like jr up the tree and around the bend...

Maf, forgive my ignorance, but do some people genuinely believe in the US everything that's written there, like the Earth being created in 7 days?

I'm only really familiar with those super-preachers who run those gigantic churches, like Joel Osteen, who says absolutely nothing and who accepts essentially everything as long as you're willing to give him cash.

Truth may well be that yes, the Bible's correct, and the world as we know it WAS in fact created in seven days; however, the question remains "How long was a day?"

The Johnnies out in la-la land take at face value a document which wasn't even written down, much less in English!! We all are reading a transcription of an interpretation of what allegedly was said "by G_d", yet might indeed have been understood differently by each listener:-)

And so who the were these Bible people anyway?? Well for starters, they were ignorant (if well-meaning), often illiterate men and women who were trying to understand their world as very best they were able, bereft of modern science etc. to help guide them along the path to accuracy. The pleasant poetry of Genesis, for example, is an unlettered farmer's valiant attempt to explain natural phenomena in terms of "And lo, the earth stood still...", Moses held out his hand and the seas parted..." and so forth.

Yes. You haven't heard of young earth theory?

There is a crapton of crazy beliefs in the US (many die out quickly like "The spiritual Israel" from the 1970s (The US is the Israel of Revelations)

Another weird (now gone I think) idea was the the King James Bible supplanted the original texts and should be the only basis for translating into other languages.

I'm not a believer but I'm fascinated by belief so I've spent a long time tracking these things...

...you've sent me down the rabbit hole.

I thought those "give me your money and you will be healed" types were bad enough, but that's just the surface!

Faith-healing bunko artists have always been with us, not only at the turn of the last century under a Chatauqua tent! :-)

Ethically I think they're the worst, most of the rest is weird but harmless.

..not to mention quite amusing. It's so easy to see right through their game.