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Let's discuss muslims, jews, buddhist, and christians



Lyzko
13 Apr 2017  #721

Ever occur to you that many faiths exist other than the Christian faith? Are necessarily Jews, Zoroastrians, Hindus or Buddhists and Muslims ALL consigned to everlasting fire and damnation??! Or will only the Christian sinner be smelling brimstone through a keyhole if G_d has His way? Why single only gentiles out for eternal punishment? Doesn't seem quite fair, does it?

Like to see you explain your way out of that one, I would:-)

johnny reb
13 Apr 2017  #722

Like to see you explain your way out of that one

I don't need to explain anything to you.
You believe in the church of Me-ism and I am a basic Bible believer.
Your church is the church of Me-isms.
My church is the church of basic Bible Believers. (the inspired words of God)
Come judgment day we will both be judged accordingly by Him.

Lyzko
13 Apr 2017  #723

I believe in the Bible as well, as a guide to our relationship with G_d, NOT as an unwavering path. There are different interpretations, you know, being that what was recorded as the supposed received Word of the Lord was not received in English, therefore has gone through centuries of interpretation and misinterpretation:-)

But, if you feel comfortably protected in your beliefs, there's little I can do. Strength in numbers can be a comforting thing indeed, sort of makes weak egos feel unabashedly superior to those around themLOL

johnny reb
13 Apr 2017  #724

I believe in the Bible

Who am I to call you a liar.

Word of the Lord was not received in English

REALLY, Why am I so shocked ? lol

therefore has gone through centuries of interpretation

Greek and Latin

if you feel comfortably protected in your beliefs, there's little I can do

Even less then 'little' professor.

Strength in numbers can be a comforting thing indeed, sort of makes weak egos feel unabashedly superior to those around themLOL

Oh you must be referring to you Snowflakes "Safe Rooms" with hot coco and marsh mellows and crayons and coloring books when someone calls you a bad name.

What would any Believer with Faith expect from a Heathen without Faith to say.
You only say what you know Lyzko which isn't much and the other half only applies to yourself.

Lyzko
13 Apr 2017  #725

... a believer with strong faith, as well as intelligence, is what I am.

Tell me Johnny, why isn't it possible for you to wrap your brain around evolution??! Do you really believe the world was created in seven days??!

I repeat, how long was a day in Bible times?? Have you only contempt for science??! EInstein believed in G_d, don't forget. Niels Bohr, didn't.

johnny reb
13 Apr 2017  #726

... a believer with strong faith, as well as intelligence, is what I am.

and a linguistic and a snowflake and a school teacher and a translator and a world traveler and a heathen and a left winged socialist and a self proclaimed just about everything to make you feel proud about yourself. lol

You really think that you are something don't you.

Do you really believe the world was created in seven days??!

Doesn't matter what I believe so let me ask you.......can you prove that it was not ?
Now quit quoting lines out of your favorite movie "To Inherit the Wind" and lines from Henry David Thoreau's book "Civil Disobedience" to make them sound like you coined them yourself.

It's called plagiarizing Lyzko and I laugh every time you do it to 'pretend' that you are an a authority on just about every subject on this forum.

I apologize if I have embarrassed you by exposing your kindergarten tactics however you have just became to annoying to allow you to continue on this topic that you are absolutely ignorant about.

(Boy did that feel good to get out)

TheOther
14 Apr 2017  #727

can you prove that it was not ?

Can you prove there is a God? Maybe it's a girl and her name is Bertha.

johnny reb
14 Apr 2017  #728

No need to, I have my faith, remember.
My fire insurance is all paid up.
How about you, you still believe that hell is not real ?

Maybe it's a girl and her name is Bertha.

Nope, not my God, while His Son Jesus walked the face of the earth He referred to Him as "Father".
What do you call your god ?

Lyzko
15 Apr 2017  #729

An ignoramus is one who cannot learn because he or she's convinced themselves that they already know..hence they don't know what they're talking about because they're patently incapable of thought beyond the merest motor tasks:-)

Difference between animals and humans is that the former exclusively fornicate, procreate, masticate, and deficate (though not necessarily in that orderLOL), repeating the cycle and are incapable of anything else. The latter, we humans, supposedly have been endowed with the gift of speech, thought, and above all, judgement.

Guess Johnny missed out all that!

johnny reb
16 Apr 2017  #730

An ignoramus is one who cannot learn

So does that mean you want us to start calling you an ignoramus ?
I mean just how many times have you been told to stay on topic and like your posts above are totally off topic.
You just can't learn so I guess that makes you an ignoramus Snowflake dunnit.
Now if you can't stay on topic please do not post in my thread anymore.

Polonius3
16 Apr 2017  #731

Can you prove there is a God

Can you prove there is no God?

Bieganski
16 Apr 2017  #732

observant Jews cast all valuables into the river...in order to come close in their relationship with the Almighty:-)

Is that how they justify environmental pollution? Do they pay for permits to do their dumping?

As if the animal abuse wasn't bad enough:

delphiandomine
16 Apr 2017  #733

Ooh, let's talk about Christian animal abuse will we?

peta.org/blog/video-surfaces-christian-youth-group-throwing-animal-wall/

A disturbing viral Snapchat video recently surfaced that appears to show students in a local Katy, Texas, chapter of Young Life throwing live chickens around a room-even against a wall-in what they described as a "team-building exercise."

Absolutely disgusting. What kind of Christian hurts animals for "exercise"?

jon357
16 Apr 2017  #734

None. Nothing Christian about the Americans who did that. Deliberate evil.

Bieganski
16 Apr 2017  #735

What kind of Christian hurts animals for "exercise"?

In your excitement to post you failed to read the article you linked. Or what is more likely the case you deliberately ignored what is the most important detail.

It states:

"These teenagers displayed a dangerous lack of empathy..."

Emphasis is mine.

So, a bunch of attention seeking teenagers with no adult supervision around do something cruel and stupid so they can have something to post on a social media platform which most adults don't use.

Young people make mistakes all the time but can learn from them so they don't repeat them.

That's quite different from an established superstitious ritual carried out by adults generation after generation and even placed on an annual calendar and given a name "kaparot".

You've stated here before that you are "culturally" Jewish so how exactly does traumatizing a chicken by swinging it over your head magically "purge your sins"?

It's part of your "tradition" going on for centuries now so how would you justify it to those concerned with animal welfare like PETA?

Or would you describe it like your cohort as:

Deliberate evil.


delphiandomine
16 Apr 2017  #736

None. Nothing Christian about the Americans who did that. Deliberate evil.

It really shows how these "Christians" are actually brought up to despise nature and animals. They preach so much about God and Jesus, yet none of them actually seem to read The Bible where it's clear that animals are to be treated as one of God's creations.

jon357
16 Apr 2017  #737

What kind of Christian hurts animals for "exercise"?

At least they've admitted it. Hopefully there will be a prosecution:

We acknowledge that involving live animals in this way was inhumane and inappropriate


delphiandomine
16 Apr 2017  #738

Probably unlikely, it's Texas after all.

Speaking of Texas and "Christians", there was one particularly bad abusive cult there by the name of TeenMania. Far too long to get into here, but they were notorious for some absolutely despicable cult-like practices towards vulnerable teenagers and young adults.

Worth a read: dallascult.com/?page_id=13 - I wonder how many more of them are out there, poisoning young people's lives in the process.

jon357
16 Apr 2017  #739

Tons, even in Europe too, including Poland. There's a lot of criticism right now about the Neo-cats, very big here in Warsaw. There's a lot of good that happens within that group, but a definite dark side too and certainly cult like behaviour. One UK RC diocese (I think Bristol) has banned them.

delphiandomine
16 Apr 2017  #740

There's a lot of criticism right now about the Neo-cats, very big here in Warsaw.

Yes, it's one disturbing trend in the Polish Church in that they seem to be completely unable to deal with the various borderline cults that are propping up everywhere. Radio Maryja and Rydzyk is one thing, but there are plenty more out there that go under the radar.

jon357
16 Apr 2017  #741

The cult-like groups talk a different spiritual language and stay several steps ahead (of an organisation led largely by elderly men), plus in the case of the example I cited, they have money and they also have people willing to be ordained - at a time when there is a serious and growing shortage of candidates who are not members of that group.

delphiandomine
16 Apr 2017  #742

they have money

Speaking of which, did you see how the Ordo Luris lot got their financing? It seems that they've been operating one of the most despicable scams in religion - systematic targetting of old, vulnerable people with junk like overpriced calendars that had nothing to do with their real aim.

Having people willing to be ordained is huge though. The Polish church in general seems to have a huge problem with getting intelligent young men as priests, especially as more and more parents keep their children away from church-related activities beyond the minimum required.

jon357
16 Apr 2017  #743

operating one of the most despicable scams in religion

One of the oldest techniques. Televangelists and Radioevangelists have been doing it for decades. Brings in cash and fosters loyalty among the donors who don't want to admit to themselves that they've spent their money on nothing.

TheOther
17 Apr 2017  #744

Can you prove there is no God?

No, but I don't have to. I personally believe that one has to strictly separate faith/ religion from science. Science is based on theories that are proven right or wrong through verifiable experiments. If the result of an experiment cannot be repeated independently, the theory is omitted and replaced by a new one until the results can be repeated. All scientific progress that mankind has made is based on this principle. Religion is a whole different thing because there is no way to prove or disprove through experiments that there is a higher being. You either believe in one or you don't, simple as that. Which is also the reason for the separation of state and church, and that religion is kept out of our public schools.

you still believe that hell is not real ?

We have enough hellholes on Earth already. I don't believe we need yet another one.

johnny reb
17 Apr 2017  #745

The difference is that the hell holes on earth are temporary, the eternal hell is for eternity.
If I am wrong about it then nothing to sweat, if you are wrong, you will be sweating for eternity.
Have you ever given that a thought ?

TheOther
17 Apr 2017  #746

Well, I don't worry too much about it until I'll find out one way or the other. Although, coming to think of it: wouldn't it be funny as hell (pun intended) if that place is real and we both meet at the entrance? Karma, meet bi*tch... :)

johnny reb
17 Apr 2017  #747

I have already accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and ask for forgiveness daily.
Therefore because of my Faith it is improbable of that happening.
I would say 70% of the people in the U.S. think if you are a good person by helping others and putting money in the collection plate is what gets you to heaven.

Good deeds is not the ticket that gets you into Heaven despite what some have claimed here.
It's really not as hard as some people make it.
I would much rather meet you up at the other gate.

Polonius3
17 Apr 2017  #748

{delphiandomine - despicable cult-like practices}
This is the perfect definition of LGBT agitators and their teacher collaborators brainwashing vulnerable school chidlren aganst their families' belief system.

LGBT operatives "use a thought-reform program to persuade, control, or socialize members (i.e. to integrate them into the group's unique pattern of relationships, beliefs, values, and practices)." Deviant perversities are cloaked in slick, cutesy, nice-sounding jingles like "it's OK to be gay!" Contrary to their parents' wishes, young kids are urged to define their gender and sexual orientation at a tender young age.

Cruetly to dumb animals is abhorrent but such indoctriantion of innocent chidlren is far worse!

delphiandomine
17 Apr 2017  #749

Deviant perversities are cloaked in slick, cutesy, nice-sounding jingles like "it's OK to be gay!"

Is it not OK, Polly?

Polonius3
17 Apr 2017  #750

not OK

For the sake of rhyme presumably the statement is ambiguous. Being born a homosexual is something no-one has any control over, it is homo practices that are unnatural, abnormal and perverse. The Church does not condemn homosexual affliction, only its practice. But LGBT operatives never urge anyone to abstain from such practices. au contraire, they advocate giving vent to one's urges and celebrate and glorify "comng out". More "fresh meat" on the market"


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