European News Thread

Says who? That's exactly what Australia does and they have among the highest HDI of any nation.

Yeah better to have people who clearly have bogus asylum claims wander the country, receive 1200 eu a month in housing, food, cash, etc. and only pop up back on the governments' radar after they've raped, killed or stabbed someone.... much smarter... Some of these dudes look 30, 40 or even older yet claim their teenagers and then the authorities have to spend a year or two to reject then when anyone who isn't blind can clearly see that a guy with gray hair and a full beard isn't the teenager he's claiming to be.

They feed the refugees dog food???

Dog food would be preferable and probably far healthier compared to the type of food most jails, prisons and other detention facilities serve. Far better and cheaper than giving them money and food for free. There's numerous videos online of migrants throwing away food that NGOs give them for free because they don't like it. They constantly complain about the food given to them in the camps - so the government started giving them cash to buy food themselves. I personally think that is utterly ridiculous. German, Swedish, etc citizens aren't provided with free food en masse so why should someone who isn't even a citizen. If they don't like the free food and are going to throw it out then they should pack their bags and go back to the middle east where they can have all the halal and kebab they want.

What do they serve?

Non Halal pork chop with thinly sliced ogorek and deli mustard.

I've said it many times, but the most sensible thing to do would be to build large camps in frontline states, perhaps also in places like Macedonia. If you enter the EU illegally and claim asylum, you get immediately transported to a camp, and your claim is assessed within 24 hours maximum. Once the claim is assessed by an EU team of language experts, lawyers, etc. - genuine refugees are relocated to an EU country, and with a complete ban on leaving that country (except to leave the EU). They should get food, shelter, etc, and allowed to work legally. Provide them with language classes and so on, too. Real refugees will make something of it.

They would have no choice as to which country they get sent to, and if they leave that country without authorisation, they get immediately returned to a detention camp until they agree to be sent back home. If they commit any crime, same story, returned to the camp. Anyone that isn't a genuine refugee would be given two simple choices: stay in the camp, or go home. I can't imagine many would willingly stay in a detention camp for 40-50 years.

We don't have to be inhumane towards people genuinely seeking asylum, but the system has to strongly discourage illegal migration.

I'm not sure that's realistic as they can arrive in such large numbers and in anyone could only carry out the most basic assessment at that stage, not really enough to justify sending people on to their final destination. Here's an example of the checking process we use in Ireland:

newstalk.com/Vast-majority-want-Garda-screening-of-refugees--but-what-does-it-involve


That's a bit vague Delph. What kind of shelter? In Ireland it's mostly 'direct provision' in reception centres and it doesn't work that well for many reasons. And very importantly WHERE should they be located? If you're going to allow them to work, then they need to be in centres of employment where there are jobs available. In Ireland we're trying to work on developing a programme of volunteer host families, scattered around the country, who would like to offer short-term shelter to properly vetted refugees. It's a good idea as it means they begin to integrate properly with the local community from Day One instead of living in what amounts to segregated,institutional care.

@delphiandomine


That solution runs into the same problem we have with trying to establish such camps outside of the EU. No country wants to give their agreement to this.

It might be if enough resources were deployed. For instance, first line check:

Official: where are you from?
dude: "Syria"
Official: "okay, please have a chat with our Syrian Arabic specialist".

If the Syrian Arabic specialist figures out that they don't have the knowledge specific to Syrian Arabic, then it's an automatic denial. And so on until a clear picture can be built as to their identity and background. If they don't cooperate, they're going nowhere but staying in the camp.


That works - I think if they're clearly refugees, then there's plenty of options for them.


That is the huge problem. No-one wants to deal with it, it's all "me me me". Italy has probably and rightfully had enough of this selfishness.

I would offer Greece this option:

"You give the EU some of your islands (there are so many of them, most even totally empty)....and let us build and maintain refugee camps for all people coming from Africa over the MED. You support us as much as you can.

In turn the Eurozone will nullify all your debts and loans. You don't have to pay back anything anymore. Also the whole EU will pay you a yearly sum for renting these islands, so that you don't only have no debts to pay anymore but get a regular steady income to rebuild your economy with.

How's that sound? You agree? Great...let's go!"

It could be that easy, a real win-win situation for Europe and the refugees...and especially Greece.

more like a win win situation for Germany tbh.

I think Germany should take as many refugees as Jews and others they killed in WW2..:)

Why only for Germany?


Over the years we did it already, I think...maybe even more than that!

Because Germany is the boss of Europe. Hell, Germany IS Europe. Sometimes you wonder who really won ww2...:)

I seriously doubt if every Jew, Pole, Russian, Jehovah Witness, persons suffering from mental health problems or learning difficulties that were killed by the German state around the time of ww2 has been replaced, yet. keep working on it.

Even if so, that doesn't mean this concept is only useful for Germany. I'm fairly sure the Visegrad countries would happily pay their share to keep the people on some greek island, instead of being frowned upon for not taking in a quota.


It is illogical wanting the murdered people to be "replaced", it's not possible, they are dead.

But the Law of Asylum exists since the foundation of the EU. Since then millions of people made their way into Germany...many of them from behind the Iron Curtain...

Just inform yourself over the demographics of Germany. Over 10 Million Germans have immigration background, that's about 12% of the population, most of them of european background. Many of them refugees!

well you need more. You deserve them.
And please, telling somebody they are 'illogical' isn't a great argument.
I think it is perfectly logical.

To replace a human being is not logical. In the same vein you can't "replace" a jewish stetl...it's gone!


Well..we are not shunning our responsibility. What is your problem?

They tried that already. People claiming to be Syrian were shown a diagram of different currencies or asked to describe/draw syrian currency. Even when they failed they were passed through anyway. The migrants know all about europes altruism when it comes to protecting syrians gays people oppressed becayse of political affiliation minors etc and therefore make bogus asylum claims. Due to the backlog it often takes a year or two before their claim is processed and denied. By then theyve disappeared somewhere in Europe, most notably germany were even the officials admitted they lost track of a quarter million asylum seekers and they arent found again till they rape, kill or stab someone. As long as europe esp germany keeps allowing asylum claimaints to roam around thr country and giving them food money apartments while they wait this problem will continue. Thats why the australian model should be followed and all claimaints are processed outside of rhe country which finally after 3 years of a deluge of third worlders and all the economic burden, violent crime, murders, sexual assaults, terror etc that came with it now finally theyre beginning to talk about this, including merkel.

sputniknews.com/amp/europe/201809211068224075-migration-crisis-africa-deal


Actually the v4 citizens really dont care what w europeans think of their refusal to take in third world migranrs. In fact, more and more are applauding our wise decision as we don't have the problems of terror, rape and where only a few kids in grade school classes speak the native language and everyone else arabic. We don't want em. Let the arabic and muslim countries worry about them. Im sure greeks dont want them either as theybe already caused enough problems and economic burden there.

I don't have a problem.

I doubt that they don't care...nearly half of them would surprisingly take in refugees too...

Idk what's with this german neurosis. You atone for sins you never committed. You dont owe jack sh1t to 99% plus of thr people merkel let in as tbey are not legit refugees and even rhe legit ones are supposed to settle in the FIRST safe country they get into so unless they flew directly from syria to germany you dont owe em jack.

You heard rozumiemnic, we deserve more... ;)

My man korwin mikke describes it the best - 'this resilts in flooding europe with HUMAN GARBAGE... i repeat, human garbage that does not want to work'

And he explains how the us became great precisely because people came to work not receive handouts and there were no handouts

English subs for non polish speakers

youtu.be/3YTe5YNHBQA

Gotta love the big deer eyes the dyke chick made and the sigh of her fellow lefty lol

So unless you went to Oxford or cambridge you already went to a sh1ttier university than me. No surprise there.

And American unis are FAR better than uk ones thats why so many more people seek to go to the us for college than the uk. Furthermore theres several times more top unis in us than uk. All the uk has is oxford cambridge and lse - tbats less than half the count of the ivies alone.

Dirky wirky I know very well that whatever college you attended, definitely had no creeping plants covering its fake historic windows. Stop pretending.

Are you really as thick as pigshit? Obviously the US has more top universities, <whispers> it's a far bigger place...

If you think of the size of the UK, then relatively there are more top universities aren't there? think about it. Not that I really care but you are obviously obsessed with it.

Last NGO rescue ship in the Med down.


euronews.com/2018/09/24/rescue-ship-aquarius-stripped-of-its-registration


Now the whole human trafficking system to bring illegals to Italy and Greece has ended. It will be interesting to see how the traffickers in Libya recover from that and which new routes they develop.

They could concentrate on Spain now which is still very welcoming...

Woot woot! Its about time italy and other nations do something about these ships literally acting as a taxi service dumping more of merkels burdens onto European shores.

There's no point in even denying it. These ships from ngos including soros funded ones would pick up migrants from boats 12 miles off the libyan shore. Theyd leave libya, swim 12 miles, send out a distress call and bam theres a ngo ship, sometimes even before the migrant ship arrived. Anyone can even check the maritime traffic from these ships and literally the same 5 or so ships would go bsck and forth usually once a day from italy to libya then back to italy. Theyre not out there saving migrants theyre acting as a taxi service and are obviously coordinating with the traffickers


Thats what happens when you elect a socialist. Right away they begin to screw over their own citizens. Theres a stoey going around now how spanish students were FORCED to move out of cheap student rentals to make way for migrants. They were told by officials it was because of the diseases migrants have.... no bs... so they let people in knowing they have aids, ebola whatever and then force local students out of their housing... very sad what these traitors do to the citizenry

Europeans must rise up and revolt before its too late

And when they democratically agree they can do what they want, even keep their arms and purses open to illegals. Their choice!

But the danger is very real that they don't want to stay there in Spain and wander off further to the north unaccounted for. The most favoured goal of many of them is still Germany, and then we have again a problem....

I've read Portugal is very welcoming to immigrants and would like to have them, but the thing is most of these newcomers never ever heard of the country before and don't plan to go there, they all dream of Germany, no joke!

When have we become so ******* popular????

Absolutely. It is the countrys citizens decision who they elect and their democratically elected leader/party should be respected and able ti carry out their campaign promises. The problem is when the EU doesnt respect and threatens to sanction entire countries because they dont like the person or party that was democratically elected, mainly because theyre euroskeptic and dont toe the eu line.

Also if a leader is chosen and seeks to bring in a bunch of migrants thats their decision. Now when that blows up in theit face as it has for merkel other countries shouldnt be punished and help fix those leaders lapse of judgement


Once word got around that merkel is giving out 1500 eu a month on housing, food and cash allowance for every third world migrant that illegally crosses borders and makes a bogus asylum claim. Same with sweden.

To an uneducated man with no valuable skills having the government spend 1500 eu a month on them is a dream. They wouldnt make but a fraction of that back home. Even 300 euro a month would be a decent job in many of the countries they come from. Gernany sweden uk etc will give them several times that amount snd they dont even have to work. Its a dream come true for them.

For those in Dublin, or near it, you may wish to involve yourself with a conference taking place there next month;

nousnatobases.org

As Poland is a part of NATO (unfortunately) it therefore also concerns those Poles who seek to rid Poland of Zio-Anglo military interference and expense.

If i was near Dublin i think i would sit in a pub with a few pints and a good book - sounds a lot better than wasting time in a roomful of self loathing alt right loonies