Merkels power crumbles rapidly

No...you speak always only about YOUR house, as if you would be the only resident and boss. But this "house" has many rooms with many people innit...you are definitely not the lone owner and landlord! Alot of other people in this house own it too and have different ideas and opinions...you just have to accept that!

PS: That "house" was never yours alone....you didn't even build it....you never bought it....you too came one day knocking and you had been let in!

You don't get to decide who else is allowed in and who not, fact!

The quicker you learn to live with that the better the chances you don't end up as an old bitter and grumpy sack! :)

@Bratwurst Boy
No BB, I think Rich owns his house, as I do.....
I think you are a little bit confused here..... maybe it is different in Germany.

Nah....it's not about his real house! :)

He can decide to let in or keep out of his own little house whom he wants...a country on the other hand isn't owned nor ruled by him.

@Bratwurst Boy

I have to accept ****.

In this house own many people rooms? Perfect. So a decission to let someone in has to be made with all parties agreement.

You know what happenes when not? I make your and your 3rd world scum lifes a living hell, treat you like ****.

And thats what we do. Merkel did not ask us if we want 1.5 million 3rd world scum.

Now dont complain that we break the political system, destroy the old party system of the BRD and make Germany a political mess and block evrything.

What a waste of my time...

Oh Feck... the Nazis are back..... BB, Germany has a problem.....Weimarer....

Merkel is an opportunist with a fine nose for the polls (just think about the "Energiewende" and the sudden decision to phase out all AKW's after Fukushima).

And if I remember the buildup correctly the media did work hard for an extremely pro-refugee atmosphere...in that situation Merkel could have NOT closed the borders. Remember the people greeting the refugees? They came to the stations fired up by the media, bombarded for weeks with their plight and big brown children's eyes...to let them in brought Merkel lots of brownie points in Germany and in the world that time.

The wake up call, the turning point was Silvester in Köln, everything went downhill from then on...but till then Merkel did everything right, they did what the majority wanted. That's the truth! Every survey back then was PRO refugees..

PS: I'm fairly sure she will want to avoid a similiar situation with that hindsight of now. But then, she isn't much longer in office...her successor has then to deal with it, and they will listen again to the polls and the mood in the people. And I'm fairly sure they will be alot more cautious...

For example...there is no plan to evacuate the children out of Lesbos as of yet. Even as the media is making a case for them for months now, again with lots of big brown children's eyes...

McGrump

No, she got it completely wrong.....what a huge mistake.... never to be forgiven...


The sooner you accept that she was a disaster the better, for all european nations.....

PS: Excuse me, but that honor doesn't fall to the AfD, that did Merkel all alone by herself...

The AfD is not any closer to any kind of power than after her foundation!


Not at that time in Germany, Milo....back then she was applauded by all sides...the rest stood just still and dumbstruck...

I could even go as far and say doing nothing, letting these people outside...maybe even with the help of german uniforms with guns...that could have broken her career and her till then good international image.

@Bratwurst Boy

No, that honor falls on AfD. The AfD went dro, 3% to 14%. In eastern Germany to 25%. The rise of the AfD destroys the CDU. Each seat for AfD is an unemployed merkelist. That creates chaos.

As for me and most voters of the AfD, we dont care what pathetic merkel wants avoid and how they changed. We want destroy them. We saw that we can destroy what they hold dear. And that will continue.

The AfD is a consequence of Merkels "march to the left"...with the old CDU of "bevor Merkel" the AfD would had been redundant...not needed...unnecessary!


That is not a decision for the AfD either! Watch the candidates...if the new one stands for "more Merkel", the AfD will rise....if the new one stands for a correction of the Merkel way, the AfD will lose alot of voters who will want to come back to the CDU.

I doubt that. Most of the AfD voters is so radicalized at this point that there is nothing the CDU could conceivably offer them to return. In Thuringia they vote for certified fascists. Some corrections e.g. regarding the asylum laws would not convince someone like Weimarer who dreams of the purity of the German race to change his mind.

It is time to stop making excuses for him and his ilk, as if all that was needed is a more conservative realignment of the CDU. Not that I would object to it mind you, but we need to be realistic about the outcome.

Yes, they can...a realistic immigration and asylum policy for once! Acknowledging and accepting the errors would be a start...a promise to secure the EU outer borders would be next.


A good apology for those who don't want to change anything, who agree with Merkel's policies....sadly most of them are not CDU voters. So that won't help the CDU to gain the voters back she has lost....

Laschet for example will be loved by SPD/Green/Left voters (and the media) as he just did the contrary and denied that Merkel did anything wrong, if he is able to lead the CDU out of her misere is hence highly doubtful!

AfD voters dont want a realistic asylum policy, otherwise they would have been placated by the many changes that have already been implemented in the last 5 years. People like Weimarer dont want any refugees at all, period, let alone migrants.


Laschet has shown that he a) can win an election in an SPD stronghold and his interior minister Reul proves that he takes security serious. And crucially he doesnt have such openly exploitable weaknesses like Merz.


As I said, I would not mind a conservative realignment of the CDU, but I dont see how the CDU could gain convinced AfD voters back. Anybody who is voting for Höcke now is not just doing so because the CDU is not conservative enough for him.

Would you vote CDU if Laschet wins?

PS: I really like Reul (such a "character face", heh:)....he should throw his hat into the ring too! :)

I am a member of the CDU so yes. I would ofc also vote for them if Merz is chosen, but I suspect that the CDU would regret it. Imagine a television duel in which people confront him with his many (rhetorical and otherwise) past blunders. I want Reul to stay in NRW and fix the mess his predecessors created, that is challenging enough.

Sure....the good things only for yourself...Berlin get's the rest! ;)

Bingo! Good that you have reminded people about the backdrop of the then Merkel's readiness to accept all the refugees. It really seems she had no choice beyond saying "Wir schaffen das" on the wave of popular enthusiasm. The question, however, is: should she be cooling that enthusiasm.down envisaging, as a shrewd politician, the rather poor consequences in the long run?

The answer is:

(a) yes, because she should have known that the safe level of the number of immigrants in a Western European democracy should not exceed 5% since this level had been acccepted as safe in countries like France or the UK long before the present immigration crisis;

or (b) no, because she may have believed the number coming to Europe would have never been as high as it really was;

and (c) because she did not want to be swimming against the drift of this popular enthusiasm since as an elected politician she might be afraid to lose much of the support of the people welcoming the immigrants from the third world.

I would say "c" and, if I may add: "d"....she was also impressed by the adoration and respect shown to her from the foreign media and many politicians. Germany's image in the world, HER image rose to unprecedented heights...she became the "leader of the free world"...that's heavy stuff, hard to lose again in the foggy dregs of german inner politics.

She can't regret anything openly, it would put scratches to that image. I really think she has mentally left Germany already, more concerned with the "afterlife", where she is no longer german chancellor but will tour the world...

Yes, this "d" sounds interesting and very plausible. And it all suggests that Angela Merkel is a human like we all are and not some "devil incarnate" as some of the far-right people would like to see her. She is entitled to mistakes, and her mistake is certainly far less serious than the mistake of raising that monster Adolf Hitler to power with the result of destroying the whole of Europe and ruining the reputation of the German nation for many many years ahead.

Definitely...

Correct, Ziemowit!

Every post-War German leader to date is automatically in the shadows of Hitler, whether they like it or not.
This is the reason for such often paralyzing cautiousness before acting or speaking. Germans distrust charisma in their heads of state. The last larger-than-life such person was the late, (sometimes) lamented Franz-Josef Strauss who might well have become Chancellor, but was considered too much of a loose-cannon type who might say the wrong thing on the world stage. Patriotism, even if local, makes the bulk of the rest of the country nervous.

His Bavarian braggadocio simply wouldn't have cut it either in Bonn or in Berlin:-)

He would had made quick work of the AfD.....

But that's part of the problem...when someone like Strauss wouldn't make it anymore in today german mainstream politics something like the AfD becomes unavoidable!

I have yet to hear Hoecke speak, but from his looks, he's nothing to write home about.
Strauss DID in fact have a certain je ne c'est quoi, no doubt, and looked indeed rather impressive (if not really handsome) festooned in Oktoberfest regalia!

:-)

We in the GDR schools had to HATE Strauss...he was declared the epitome of everything what was "wrong" with the BRD, heh:)

Was he a 'pogobowiec niemieckich rewanzystow' as in opposition to our comrades from NRD?

A what???

To counter the merkelist bullshit tacitus said, some facts.

Until 2015 i and most other AfD voters as well did vote CDU or even SPD.

What happened in 2015 was a gargantuan plunder of Germany. While for decades there was no money for anything, they suddenly pulled 90 billion and let in 1.5 million 3rd worlders. Terrorism and rampant crime started which culminated in the cologne mass rape at new year 2016.

That time frame was eerie, because all parties in government and all media sung same song. My grandma said it was like GDR. You felt like lead is pushing on you. That was what gave rise to the AfD.

Only because AfD, mad Merkel was forced to change her politics. Have things changed since 2015? Yes, but only because AfD forced them to act.

Merkel and her crooks broke laws and even the Grundgesetz, which says that nobody can get asylum in Germany who comes in from a secure EU nation.

Im not against asylum and AfD is not against asylum. Fun fact, only 3% of asylum applicants get it. What happenes to the 97% who dont get asylum? They can stay anyways.

So what do i want? That we go back to law. That Germany enacts its laws, secures its borders and that we have a immigration law like Australia or Poland.

Thats what i demand.

The massive betrayal in 2015 makes it important that AfD stays vigilant and shows the rotten structures in our country. The CDU lost all my trust with Merkel and her crooks. That AfD sucessfully destroyed her most likely sucessor AKK is something good.

Now we will see, maybe Merz can reverse the crimes that Merkel committed. I have my doubts. I have little to no trust in them.

I will continue to vote AfD until im sure that Merkels globalist madness is cured from Germany.

There is nothing facist or nazi about that.

CDU infact became more and more facist and im thankful that AfD broke open the ice, which became thicker and thicker.

That's what "democracies" do. They pass laws to shut up the patriots and don't enforce them to make the leftists and the globalists happy. And it works.