Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 2

I answered you already....it's just that we both come to different conclusions!

You think to much NATO is the problem whereas I believe not enough NATO is the reason for all this death and destruction now...

We won't come together in that anymore!

But maybe an EU-membership is a good compromise....no NATO but Ukraine would still be under a real military umbrella and included in a real support network (if need be)!

An interesting assessment that Ukraine may be reaching parity in terms of weaponry with russia, in part due to russian incompetence,,particularly poor use of the weapons they has.

Add that to 20,000 military deaths, 10,000 auxiliary deaths, about z3 or 4 times that injured and an unknown number of soldiers who've either deserted or switched sides t9 Ukraine, and we can see that russia has a problem.

Hopefully there'll be more sabotage too.

Bad PR?? PR amongst whom? The serfs that pass for citizens? Inconvenient questions from whom? The Kremlin controlled media?

Fortunately any idea of an 'EU army' is dead in the water. About as viable as the sunken Moskva.


The 'patriarch of Moscow' or the Ecumenical Patriarch in Constantinople?

Ask Putin if it was worth it to ignore the Budapest memorandum (stopping Russian economic growth cold in 2014 and plunging it into depression in 2022).


Serfs are property of the Tsar who disposes of them however he sees fit. That's the Russian mentality (still...) so he doesn't care and many Russian families prefer a cash payout to a live son. Different mentality.


When was the last time Putin was asked an inconvenient question in public?

Here's a nice little update from today:

• 
  
  

I am dealing with facts, not personal pov. It is a fact, not an opinion, that NATO moved East while Russia did not move West. The rest is just consequences and with plenty of warnings. That is not open to a debate.

Why "fortunately"?

And since last month everything has changed!


foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/20/is-an-eu-army-coming/

...This gives an incredible push to building a more concrete and credible European defense union. And a defense union is really the only possible answer to this crisis.

We know that's a long path, but we know that we have to do it now because later will be too late. As part of this effort, we'll start developing an EU Rapid Deployment Capacity that will give us the chance to deploy a modular and multidomain force of up to 5,000 troops that can intervene in nonpermissive [hostile] environments....

Call it as you want....maybe not even "army"....but Russia's invasion as brought new life to dead ducks!

...Integrating armed forces really is extremely difficult, but it's not impossible. It starts with the political will. But what we can do first to strengthen our military capabilities is to improve interoperability. After this war, we need to conclude that life won't be as it was before and that we've made a backward leap of at least 70 years....

Those losses are why Russia will keep what it has now - Crimea included.

Like I said, the American-style oops is not coming...You can exhale now.

Poetry to see, isn't it. Sad for the young troops, however when push comes to shove, they are trained and armed killers and shouldn't have left their own country.

I'd like to see some stats about the number of desertions and the number who've switched sides from russia to Ukraine however the former is probably hard to calculate and the latter highly secret.

Vladolf Putler does seem paranoid about SAS operating secretly. And if they are, he should be very worried indeed to be up against the best military in the world. Whether they are or not (and if they were, it would obviously be very secret), I'd very much like to see them visit the Kremlin (it has a 120 metre spire) and a few other facilities to pass on HM the Q's very fond regards.

So why didn't Russia invade a NATO state then, if they felt 'threatened' by NATO? Just a short march over the border into Poland.


You're forgetting that I'm Irish. I know it's not that simple. Could be years of war ahead.

There was no actual petition by Ukraine to join NATO. There was, however, a mass of propaganda about how Ukraine is not a real country and Ukrainians who won't admit that they're just an inferior type of Russian should be killed.

The real causes of the war are ideological rather than strategic...

again, read this and either be ready to provide counter evidence or admit you're wrong.

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1516162437455654913

Biden wanted Zelensky to leave the country just like the Afghanistan leader did. Yet, the Ukies didnt run away and hide like the Irish did in WWII.

If they are, then there is nothing he can do about it. There is no way the Russians could ever capture even one SAS man let alone a whole contingent of them.

They did. The President of the Irish Free State, Éamon De Valera, took great care to ensure that the victims of the Belfast Blitz (a nasty thing) were helped south of the border even though most were Ulstermen and hostility was then very fresh.

They helped in a lot of other ways too, and thousands of Irishmen served in the British Armed Forces in the War.

Why not? Are they supermen??? :)

Why the pride about them? Good PR?

Indeed. Their reputation is deserved. The finest of the finest.

And they do understand that some missions do not go together with personal longevity.

That formed more than 30% of the British Army during the Crimean War - not conscripted.

210,000 Irishmen in the British Army in WWI

and 70,000 in WWII

and don't forget we defeated the British army in the Irish War of Independence.

I won't go into the details of the Napoleonic Wars except to say that the Irish Legion was the only foreign legion to whom Napolean awarded the Eagle.

Chicken country is really a silly thing to call Ireland.

In my earlier posts I was referring to border wars and territorial disputes. The Troubles in NI went on for over thirty years.

Do you have any comment to make on Russia and Ukraine as that's the topic of the thread?

Examples?

Foolish even. There's also a lot still classified under the 100 year rule, especially relating to espionage.

I think there are Irish people even today in the Royal Marine Commandos, another army unit that does not have an equal elsewhere in Europe, or ever has had.

You're talking about particularly cowardly acts of terrorism by a tiny minority, not the deeds of a largely friendly nation.

Though doubtless the Volunteers still have some skills that could be useful in russia right now.

Okay.....that's from 2014....not very actual but still interesting:


focus.de/magazin/archiv/elite-polizisten-gsg-9-besiegte-die-navy-seals_id_3517462.html

In a performance comparison with 20 international special units in Jordan's capital Amman, the Federal Police team took first place.

The German elite officials from St. Augustin near Bonn competed in Amman against such combat-tested units as the US Navy Seals or the Special Air Service (SAS) from Great Britain.

The main tasks of the exercise, which lasted several days, were an anti-terrorist operation by helicopter and the subsequent liberation of hostages on the ground. The Germans did this best.....

Just saying! 😎

Will you stop trying to turn every thread into something about germany? It's just the same as Crow and Serbia.

We're talking about russia's invasion of Ukraine and help from Ukraine's allies.

Not riot police or 'soldiers' using broomsticks instead of guns.

...okay....the GSG 9 doesn't get so much PR as the SAS, but that doesn't mean they are not as good! :)

According to Baroness Kennedy, part of the war crimes prosecution task force: "Russian troops have been given tacit permission to rape civilians during their invasion of Ukraine."

There is no limit to their depravity. That thing with the baby is too upsetting to think about. The long term repercussions of this war will run and run. That American poet wrote that "the revelation will not be televised" however this war has been filmed on smartphones and uploaded in real time. This is the first war where the war crimes are documented as they happen.

twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1518227204794109954


Me too.

So you wouldn't mind if when caught the FSB would like to talk to them before they are shot? I don't think Geneva applies to criminals.


How do you give "tacit permission"? Give me a sample. It can be in English.

Don't be silly. Try not trolling for once.

Firstly, they aren't criminals, and secondyI refer you to the post on the previous page which answers your second trolling question.

What are they under Russian law?
Also: So you wouldn't mind if when caught the FSB would like to talk to them before they are shot?
I am assuming that these criminals would have to go to Russia to assassinate Putin.


Good at what?

All those SAS clowns and others like them are movie props. What did they accomplish beyond consulting for 007 stunts? Why even have them? 179 Brits died in Iraq and the rest of them turned tail and went home because the Taliban said boo. Best army ever...hahahahaha...

In the meantime, the UK is being overrun by brown scum on a daily basis. Where are those brave SAS men and women? Worrying about Ukraine? How about worrying about your homeland, morons...

No, you deals with lies and BS. That is a fact. Will you stop talk about the same all the time. You are boring stupid troll. Stop your spam.

Whatever the Russians decide on the day - Russian 'law' is a bit of a movable feast.


They're not likely to be caught.


It's never wise to comment on Ireland when you don't know all the facts. The deadliest attacks of the Troubles took place in the Republic in the same year, May of 1974 when Protestant/Loyalist paramilitaries killed 34 Irish civilians and injured 300 in two bombs that detonated simultaneously in Dublin and Monaghan. I was a small kid at the time and I heard that Dublin bomb go off. We lived about 5 miles from the city centre and as we were sitting down to afternoon tea, we heard an almighty explosion. My mother said 'Jesus, Mary and Joseph, what was that?' When we turned on the six o'clock news we found out.

It's almost impossible for a foreigner to understand the emotions around the conflict in Northern Ireland. If you want to learn what laid the foundation for the Troubles, and you want to learn about atrocities carried out against civilians, why don't you look up the Weaver Street Massacre, as it's known that took place in Belfast when Ireland was newly partitioned in 1922?

You can choose to 'stand by my comment' when you're a bit better informed - and as Jon says, those were the acts of a tiny minority of extremists. The Irish public never supported such actions.

@Jon, thanks for your understanding and support :) As you know, I have great affection and respect for England and the Brits and a proud family history of service in the British forces going back several generations. My uncle was actually a captain in the RAF and had a few encounters with Russians in Canadian air space during the Cold War.

@Bratwurst Boy, do you really not know about the reputation of the SAS??


There are no others like them. The SAS is quite unique even among special forces. You're actually extremely ignorant, aren't you?

Please stay on topic

One more time until it sinks in.

NATO moved East. Russia did not move West. Russia said many times that it is upset about it. Western weasels didn't believe Russia. The rest is what it is.

Got it?


Good. Suicide is always an option. Useless idiots.