Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

The FR's aims are genocide (technically ethnocide) and plunder... morally reprehensible goals for a morally inferior pseudo-country.... despicable.

Here is some reading material for you my friend.
google this.

How Britain fueled Ukraine's war machine and invited direct conflict with Russia

thegrayzone.com/2022/08/12/britains-military-russia-ukraine/

...and forced them Russians to invade?

Better put, Greased the wheels

I remember one of the Russia asking what the U.S. would do if Russia put mistles on the Canadian and Mexican borders with the U.S.

That made me have a new outlook on the situation in Ukraine.

You can go to prison in Russia for saying that.


... and the eternal question is: what for? Every passing day this war make less and less sense to me. :-/

@GefreiterKania

Good to see you again.

It's not true that you can go to jail for calling the special operation a war. I've seen it in hundreds of places in print, and on television. What you can go to jail for, is the "discreditation of the Russian military", but so far what I have seen is mostly suspended sentences.

This is not to say that there is something strange about this war, if it is a war. No strikes on the building of the presidential administration, is the ministry of defense's, the intelligence agency hq, strategic power plants, communication hubs, and other critical utilities. If we acted as the Americans did in the opening phases of the Iraq War (where they used only a fraction of the cruise missiles we employed by this point), you would not be getting any news out of Ukraine, because Ukraine would be dark and cut off from the world. We can see a strange avoidance of executing strikes which would have maximum demoralizing effect on the Ukrainians. So maybe there is something to the argument that this is not a war, but some kind of limited operation.

RE: what's the point... well, at least one objective was achieved on day 1 of this war, and that is that Russia does not only bluff, but sometimes can cross over into the kinetic realm. The second point, may be that the collective West is experiencing a painful realization of just how much they depended on "Burkina Faso with nukes". I think that's why Putin feels so jolly these days.

Correction to above: meant to say "this is not to say that there ISN'T something strange about this war" not "there IS"

You too.


themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/08/moscow-municipal-deputy-jailed-for-7-years-over-war-fakes-a78246

The article says that one can face a sentence of up to 15 years of prison for this "discrediting the Russian military"!

There is definitely something strange about this... erm... conflict. I can't quite put my finger on it but too many things (some of which you mentioned) just don't add up here. I may be a bit paranoid (I'm Polish after all) but I fell that hostile forces are acting in secret against Poland again and that Russia might not necessarily be our worst enemy... nor Ukraine the best friend. There's something fishy about it all and my inability to comprehend what exactly is going on here annoys me to no end.

Mark my words - there will be no easy or predictable end to this, and Poland will be on the receiving end... as usual. I hope we manage to get at least some of those American and Korean weapons before the shi*t inevitably hits the proverbial fan.

@GefreiterKania
You can entertain the thought of U.S.A clique made a deal with the Kremlists about creating conflict in Ukraine (escalating it) to turn the attention elsewhere from earlier issues.

By trying to make both Putin and Biden stronger at home in own countries.

A lot of stuff happening behind closed doors for sure

But the Russian rapists did try a surgical strike on Day 1 - to kidnap and murder the elected leader of Ukraine. Same logic as the US in Iraq.

But like always Russia screwed it up - they didn't secure their landing area, their guns and radios jammed because they are too lazy and drunk to maintain them, the Ukies were waiting for them because your intelligence service is corrupt and your backup never arrived because they didn't bring petrol.

Like everything else in your country, the Russian special forces are like something from a Gogol play.

Russian army leadership has abandoned Kherson. Soldiers are now sitting ducks. No escape over those bridges and not enough time to get over the floating bridges with everything. Orc roast is in full swing now.

russia has indeed proven that it is a treacherous country that cannot be trusted... mission accomplished!


Yes, depending on a sub-third world despotic kleptocracy was indeed a massive mistake and learning to deal without will be painful but ultimately the EU will be better off having severed ties with the bandit realm.

That`s enough to ruin the career of those brave ones who are not afraid to stand up and tell the truth about criminal orcs who murder innocent people, torture, rape and rob them.

This is RuSSia.


Lie. Quite the contrary, he is furious that his cannon fodder can`t conquer Ukraine for him.


Are you posting from a mental ward?? :):):)

No, but I sometimes have a feeling that the world today has become one. Nothing is what it seems in this war.

I know one thing. Poland will survive, EU won`t.

Today, on the Polish Army Day, Ukrainian President Zelensky gave a speech to Poles. In Polish, against the backdrop of the flags of Poland and Ukraine.

Zelensky addressed Poles as "dear friends, allies and brothers" and stressed that this phrase sounds most legitimate from a representative of the Ukrainian state.

- Our nations have come a long way and finally reached the greatest agreement in history on the main issue for Ukrainians and Poles. It is a matter of freedom. Only together can we defend the independence of our countries for future generations,' declared Zelensky.

The president noted that Ukrainians and Poles are fighting together and will certainly celebrate "our and your victory in the battle for freedom and our common European future".

"Thank you for your historical support. I sincerely congratulate you on the Day of the Polish Army and I wish you one thing with all my heart: victory as soon as possible. Glory to Poland! Glory to Ukraine - concluded Zelenskiy.

What are you talking about, when I was referring to absence of strikes at key decision making centers? Did Americans parachute into Baghdad on day 1, or did they strike it with stand-off weapons from great distance?

Your post is a great example of why I abandoned this thread and moved to coal and other issues. It is impossible to communicate a simple point to you people, let alone more complex constructions.

Here, I will try again:

1) The United States used 935 cruise missiles during its invasion of Iraq. Link: globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2003/uscentaf_oif_report_30apr2003.pdf

2) This was sufficient to render the Iraqi government and military completely directionless, while plunging the rest of the country into an energy and communications blackout.

3) Russia has used in excess of 3,000 cruise missiles by this point in the war.

4) It is logical to conclude that this should have been sufficient to cause similar chaos in Ukraine.

5) Russia, six months into the war, has still not hit any significant Ukrainian government facility such as the President's Office, the Verkhovna Rada, SBU headquarters, or the building of the Ministry of Defense. Neither has it disabled Ukraine's electrical grid, or it's communication links to the rest of the world.

6) This is strange, to say the least.

7) Your reply regarding the paratrooper assault on Gostomel airport (successful by the way - it was the backup that ****** up), is neither here nor there, and shows you have serious issues digesting simple arguments.

Two reasons

1 your weapons are inaccurate old junk

2. Putin knows the Ukrainians would retaliate quickly and more effectively in Moscow, because they have modern weapons and techniques, and they are sober

The answers are always the same - Putin is a weak coward and your soldiers are unprofessional dipsomaniacs

Did Americans attack such objects in Iraq? No, they targeted military infrastructure. While RuSSists mostly attack civilian buildings. During the siege of Kiev, they regularly targeted apartment buildings, perfectly knowing they were not military infrastructure.

Stop manipulating, then.
PS. I see you have fully returned to spreading that stinking RuSSist propaganda here. Tell your bosses it is completely useless coz there is always a poster who debunks your lies and manipulation and instead of influencing the public opinion positively for RuSSia, you are damaging its image even further.

I don't know about government buildings but they definitely attacked power plants - 13 out of 20 were destroyed or incapacitated beyond repair in the first days of the war! Considering the fact that back then the entire Iraqi system of water purification and distribution (as well as sewage-treatment system) relied on electricity that was a deadly strike, and there's no surprise that the civilian population suffered unspeakably because of that (among other things with exorbitant morbidity and mortality among children). Russian missile attacks are nowhere as vicious nor do they cause comparable paralysis to the Ukrainian state. Of course, this might be because of proverbial Russian chaos and bad state of their armed forces or... there is something more to it.

I just don't know. It's strange.

Hey, Russia haters, you wanna bet that Russia will control Donbas three years from now?


In war, you attack what brings the best results. See Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki.


The same guys who forced the US to attack Iraq.

What terms do you propose??? What will you do for us when you lose? Coz you will. E..g, you will write in bold on the main page that you are a Putlerite azhole but you apologise for that sincerely. Agreed???


I was talking about them coz Bobko mentioned them as first.

Well, Russia doesn't seem to be doing that at the moment, does she?

Anyway, do you remember when you said that Russia was basically fighting a defensive war, despite being the first to attack with military forces, or something to that effect? You might not have been too far off the mark, but apparently it is defensive only in the sense of defending their perceived empire (not their country, although for many Russians it's probably the same thing). Russia noticed two things: 1) Ukraine gravitating towards western political/defensive structures - which might mean a deadly blow to Russian imperial plans 2) galactic idiocy of the EU who made themselves dependent on Russian energy resources - they saw their chance in these two factors and they conducted a strike, not an offensive strike but a defensive pre-emptive one, from their point of view. From Russian point of view this was a chance to start re-establishing their empire, threatened by hostile forces surrounding their country. Of course, they expected weaker resistance from Ukraine and much weaker response from the EU (although if it was up to Germany and France... well) but this, I think, was their basic motivation. Not taking this chance might have been considered a treason by some Russian circles of power.

There is, however, something very suspicious in the way that Russia is conducting their war against Ukraine... they cannot possibly be that inept, can they? They couldn't possibly have thrown everything they have best in their operational forces at Ukraine, could they? Hence the justified question - "WTF?". That's the reason my Polish paranoia alarm is triggered and that's why this war/conflict/operation - or whatever it is - annoys me so much.

Yes, they did, and suffered immense losses. Their elite paratrooper units and special forces were decimated or even more.


Nothing. Stop seeking hidden meanings while there aren`t any. RuSSists planned to conquer the whole Ukraine and that`s what matters. Ukrainians put up a stiff resistance and contained RuSSists. Simple.


A few more hours pass and you will be finding excuses for RuSSia and RuSSists how unhappy they were with so many enemies around and why the war is fully justified.

That is why I asked if you are broadcasting from a lunatic asylum.

Believe people when they tell you who they are....

twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1559177719115644935

End russian visas to the EU! They're not needed or wanted here.

Ukraine and its resources aligned with Russia's enemies are not acceptable to Russia - just as WMDs in Iraq or Iraq in Kuwait were not acceptable to the US. Simple.

The rest are merely consequences of this sentence. That includes dead babies and sobbing mothers. There were many of both in Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki. Tough sh*it.

If only it was so simple! Why then didn't they strike at Ukrainian power plants and paralyse the country, like Americans did in Iraq? Why did they only use about 200,000 soldiers? Do you think they could only muster that many operational forces of any value? This doesn't make sense.


Notice that I wrote "from their point of view". It is important to understand your opponents motivation. Of course, from civilised world's point of view it was an unjustified aggression against an independent country. Ukraine neither posed any real threat to Donbass nor did the Banderist elements - as annoying and facekick inducing as they are - constitute any major power in Ukrainian politics (quite the contrary - Zelenski made steps towards marginalising them), so the reasons Russia gave for the invasion were obviously bogus from the beginning.

I don't know, Pawian, if you don't smell anything fishy and your paranoia alarm is not triggered, then you might be a little bit careless here.


Russia is fighting neither for territory nor for resources (she has enough of her own) - she is fighting for the "empire", Ruski Mir and all that. It is the way that they are doing it that is suspicious to me. They are plotting something... I just don't know what, and it annoys me. :(

You've forgotten the background before the invasion.... dictators tend to be isolated (especially if they punish those who give them bad news) the russian government (that is, putain) actually thought they'd be welcomed.... seems silly now but they didn't make provisions for providing soldiers fuel and food because they thought locals would be give it to them out of gratitude.

Anyone who'd ever spoken to real Ukrainians or read things they'd written knew different but a dictator in a bubble won't know reality... can't know reality because he thinks he makes reality.

Also, the russian army is the object of systematic looting and infested by negative selection (if you're competent... you're kicked out).

Also, there had been plans to bribe thousands of Ukrainian officials to change sides (but since they didn't think that would actually be necessary... the money was stolen before it could be used).


Largely a russian invention, congratulations, you fell for it!

Soooo what can the russian army actually do? Hold back and shell the crap out of anything that moves... since their soldiers and weapons are crap they try to make that up though the sheer amount of armaments used.

The basic thing is, russia is afraid of NATO and they think if they actually institute a heavy bombing of Kyiv (for instance) then NATO will get more openly involved.

Also, again, mostly incompetent - within russia the army is treated like garbage and.... garbage doesn't actually get much done on the battlefield....

Coz Ukrainians can do the same to RuSSist plants, not only in occupied territories but also in RuSSia itself. Nothing surprising here. Ukrainians issued a warning to RuSSists by sending a single kamikaze drone against their oil refinery in RuSSia proper.

Now imagine dozens of drones which are smuggled across the border and attack in waves various crucial objects deep in the Russian territory???

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BS. Russians have always fought for territory - the more, the better. For them territory with resources and population creates empire.


No, sth is plotting in your mind only. :):)


Yes, a sound reason.