Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 3

In the hypothetical scenario where half of UA becomes occupied by """evil anglos""" from USA and another half by Russia, which region will develop the most?


Does Russians really believe in Pooteen's version of history and propaganda? Like people fought tooth and nail against soviet union, had uprising after uprising, white army had more than a million people who would gladly give their lives to fight bolshevism, people saw literal nazis as liberators and when this totalitarian hellhole collapsed, everyone cheered and run to get protection form NATO so they will not be dragged into communism/eurasianism/etc again. Do they really believe that the soviet union was something good? Seems like everyone in Central/Eastern Europe except Russians have a justified hatred towards soviet union.

Whats wrong with that? People have a right to resist.

You missed the point that when its the US or UK for example doing the occupying such actions are called terrorism and the usual, morally compromised people start throwing slurs.


Thats good :)

There is one sure way to find out. Impose Russian economic system on one half, and American system on the other. Put a lot of barbed wire, soldiers with dogs and machine guns on the border, and observe the movement of people. From which country to which people will be running away, risking their lives, through the barbed wire and machine guns.

Based on historic records, my bet would be that escaping would happen westwards (as usual).


Definitely. Remember what Bobko wrote yesterday about people recollecting memories from Soviet times: "we were poor, but we had stability, the country was developing, there was hope, there were a lot of children born, and people were nice to one another". Ask random Poles over 60 about PRL and don't be surprised if you hear something similar from quite a few of them.

@Bobko
You mean after Saddam was butchering his own people? After he gassed them? After he took US money and turned against the US interests? Israel and Hamas I really dont GAF about. Religious wars are for idiots. Your comparisons are simply apples and basketballs.

Want to be Russian? Go live in Russia. If you are in Ukraine you are Ukrainian. Pretty simple Fing premise.

I think the Poles who are nostalgic for the PRL would be more like in their 80s - anybody in their 60s or 70s was in their 20s and 30s during martial law - queuing up every morning just to feed their kids and wasting the best years of their lives trying to get some dud Hungarian TV set to work

60s, 80s - whatever. I meant old in general. Anyone over 50 is a coffin dodger anyway.

*runs and hides*

Stick to the topic of the thread please

Novi already written a lot about this in the past. Vast majority is purely economic migrants. Now remove possibility of endless free credit from US side, and all this flow will dry to a few drops of hardcore brainwashed members of "democratic activists" sect, that like Ignacio Loyola will say you that you must belive that black is white if it is necessary for their agenda.

The longer I look at the European Union, the more unnatural its basis seems to me. I can understand alliances held together by a common economy or a common defense against a common enemy. But an alliance in which mutual restrictions are the connecting links is not very clear to me. When the benefits of competition are shouted out loud, but de facto competition is suppressed by officials in Brussels who are not elected by the population, in exchange for which the poorest of the new member countries are fed a little - this is a bit much even for someone accustomed to Western double standards.

Biden announced the largest package of "military aid" to Ukraine in the amount of $2.8 billion...

There is talk of an upcoming record-breaking "draw" for Ukraine. Take your time. I myself am not a very young man, even at a stretch one might say mature And I do not believe for a long time that the US billionaire uncles will just give their billions to Kiev: take it, spend it, gut it!

I remember the story of U.S. money "spent" in Afghanistan. In the fight against drugs: 30% spent - salaries for US specialists, 30% for mission security, 30% for US operational (understand intelligence) expenses, 4% for cars for US anti-drug addicts in Afghanistan (Land Cruisers bought at triple the price), 4% for airfare, lodging, travel.

The Afghans are 2% - payroll and local support.

And do you think the Americans, about whose corruption they are already talking, will allow Ukraine to spend three billions? Don't make me laugh!

This war is about going forward.

r*SSia was never a paradise unless you're vicious, violent, greedy and without conscience. It's the same under Tsarism, Leninism or putinism.

You can have a welfare stare, the workers owning and controlling the means of production, healthcare free at the point of use, free and excellent public transport, all schools equally good and always free and superb and free higher education and training. After all, it's our money and all wealth is common wealth.

But, and this is the point. You can have it without Leninism, Stalinism, and the PRL.

Older people are nostalgic, and rightly so, however if Putler wins in the Ukraine and/or wherever he targets next, there will not be any of this.

There will be greedy and aggressive "business' people, ones that would be jailed for fraud or theft in civilised countries, there will be oligarchs spending our money on tasteless yachts, there will be a kleptocratic public sector and there will be corruption in all walks of life. People will even have to pay to see a doctor or have an operation! There will be payola, there will be the casting couch, women will be wh0ring themselves to put food on the table.

There will be r*SSia.

That is why it is so important to fight Putler's invasion. Because his world is a vile dystopian one and must never ever be allowed to triumph.

Yes, but also - throughout the years - people escaping to the West were escaping to freedom. This myth is still alive and it still has some basis - if you were young and full of dreams, were would you rather live: Somalia or Ireland? Iraq or Switzerland? And it's not only about economy but about various opportunities and possibilities too.


Yes, but that's not because the EU is so much western. Quite the contrary, its elite (at least a substantial part of it) would seem to have embraced some sort of neo-marxist position and hence they move ideologically east. At the same time in the East societies are moving in a more conservative, commonsensical direction - hence the ideological clashes between the EU and Hungary or Poland for example. It is, of course, an oversimplification but the West of Europe seems to have mentally shifted eastwards and the East westwards. What will come of it, we shall see, but I'd still rather live in the EU than Russia or Ukraine (even before the war).


Yes. The corruption is exorbitant in the East. The EU, with all its faults, is nowhere near the state-level cleptocracy we see there.

Stop. Now define the word "freedom". When I come to Belgium, with all that blacks on welfare sitting in street cafes of Michelen (suburb of Brussels) in a middle of workday and laughing at locals, making a road repair nearby - I feel something strange, and it is not about freedom. When locals with a rubber smile pick up goods that black kids use to throw to each one, playing in supermarket - I do not feel that this is signs of freedom. When I see pure horror in eyes of locals when I openly say russian word "негр" - it is also not a sign of freedom to me.

Maybe your meaning of freedom is right to vote without right to choose?

Sure. For many years when people emigrated to the West, it was because of the freedom to be what they wanted to be: a girl wanted to be an actress in Hollywood, a boy dreamt of his own company (or even a car repair workshop), somebody else wanted to be a cabaret dancer, another one a professional baseball player etc. etc. All/some of these activities and hundreds of others were hardly possible in communist or muslim countries. West, without idolizing it and ignoring all its faults, gave people much more freedom than they could enjoy in their homelands - freedom of beliefs, freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom of doing pretty much anything they wanted without the state telling them that it's wrong/impossible. Of course, economy played a vital role too.

I am not going to argue about the welfare system abuse that you describe or the political correctness that is so rampant in the West, because I too consider it an idiocy bordering on cultural (if not literal) suicide, eventually. Maybe it will change with time. Maybe Germans, Brits, Swiss and French will emigrate en masse to Poland or Russia. Maybe. But not just yet.

So, people emigrated for an "american dream", cultivated by Hollywood. And most join a crowd of low-income workers, like McDonalds sales droids, instead.

As to freedom of speech and beliefs, I feel more such freedoms in Russia now, compared to EU countries.

Of course. Life is not a fairy tale, it doesn't caress your balls, as we say in Poland (although it sounds better and rhymes in Polish*). But at least those people could have a shot at their dreams and, having failed that, still live a fairly decent life compared to what they would have had in their muslim or communist countries.


Really? Are we talking about the same country where carrying a blank sheet of paper can get you arrested?

newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-invasion-protests-police-arrest-activists-holding-blank-signs-paper-1687603

* - życie to nie bajka, nie głaszcze cię po jajkach

....is someone trying to jail/kill you for supporting Putin and this war in the EU?

You can even be a racist and hate gays in the EU.....non-conforming people are leaving Russia en masse...for the EU!

So....you have one society where someone who conforms (politically, skin color, sexuality) can live quite peacefully....a conforming mass....who doesn't conform has to suffer or need to leave...not a great life for many!

No. And nobody is trying to jail/kill Veli for supporting Putin in Russia. See - it's the same freedom! :)

In Russia you can have freedom of beliefs, as long as those beliefs are in accord with the government's beliefs. ;) It is not allowed though to have no beliefs at all. If you have no beliefs at all and express it by carrying an empty sheet of paper (with no beliefs at all expressed on it), you can get arrested. :)

aka conforming!

Vladimir P*tin,
He loves you,
You'd better agree,
Or you know what he'll do.

Even the morally bankrupt Girkin admits that russian rule turned the Donbas into sh[t....

twitter.com/Berg963/status/1562016114300813313

Fresh example - Latvian President Egils Levits called to deal with the Russian-speaking residents of the republic who do not support the anti-Russian policy of Riga and isolate them from society... (sourced from LSM news portal, unfortunately not saved direct link).

Do they support the democratic country they live in or some trashy pariah state to the east?


I bet he's in a pickle.

What do you think he meant by that? Not Gulags and car bombs or poison attacks....

@Velund
Simple solution. If you are Russian, and want to be Russian, go Fing live in Russia. WOW I know it sis incredibly complicated. Putin would love all his Russian babies back. More meat for the grinder. Oh wait....all those ethnic Russians have had multiple chances to leave and they didnt because they want the western life. Cant have it both ways.

The presence of russians does not do anything good for any country..... including..... russia....

Balts have had enough of russians who are too stupid to realize they're not in charge anymore. Let them return to russia if they don't like Riga or Narva

theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/24/russia-detains-opposition-leader-yevgeny-roizman-over-criticism-of-ukraine-war

That is what you Fing retards are fighting for. This is why the west wants no part of Russia, China or the other turd world countries that try to convince people they are somehow evolved. The Orc nation is a stain on humanity. Its leaders all deserve the same fate as Saddam and the rest. Retard nation locks people up for words. Moronic is an understatement, yet it is symbolic of exactly what Orc nation is. A punchline to a bad joke.

Yes, this is RuSSia.


And this is a stinky lie about RuSSia.

Reminds me of an old joke from communist times. An American talks to a Soviet, boasting of his freedom of speech: I can go out to the main square and shout out loud that Reagan is an azhole and nothing happens. The Soviet replies: Phi! Big deal! I can also go to the Red Square in Moscow and shout out loud that Reagan is an azhole and nothing happens.

This is freedom of speech RuSSist style. Has always been. That is why nobody sane wants to be under RuSSist domination. Thank you very much.

Glory to Ukraine on its independence day! Be victorious and let the orcs withdraw in shame and dishonour.

Darling, let me remind you that Poland was the very first country which recognised independent Ukraine in 1991. Ha!

Some (even a lot of) hornet microdrones (used for espionage/reconnaissance) have been donated by Britain and Norway to Ukraine. They are only 6 inches long and very hard to detect, much less to destroy.

The r*SSians can run but they can't hide.

@pawian

I liked your joke :-)


Nah, more like an own goal.....can you guys actually play football?
Russia is losing this war and will be humiliated and ignored for decades after they lose.
Game almost over......