Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

Yes we know that in any equation the Russians are the "less equal" ones.

It's hard to be Russian.

Almost as hard as being a negroid in America.

I am sure it is.

Especially for one living in America......

Posts like this are confusing to me. Do you actually mean it or just being sarcastic?
Please don't forget that with few exceptions most of these idiots hate Russia and Russians. Going subtle with enemies is seldom a winning strategy.

Just look at how they crow here about Bakhmut and celebrate Russian losses.

Why not be nice with enemies, that you do not plan to exterminate? You should also to allow them to "save the face" to reasonable extent. Important to not allow to save anything more valuable. ;) ;)

For now, Russia and G7/NATO compete in non-traditional disciplines. For now I see Russia perform much better than expected by rivals. ;) And, As Putin already said, Russia is not really started yet.

I wish we started already. If not for our sake, then for Ukraine's.

Much needs to be corrected.

Not the enemies who are trying to kill you. I would never advocate going after civilians.
As far as I know, government buildings in Kiev are off-limits. That doesn't make any sense. They should be at the top of the kill list.

So you admit that you are an idiot too.


Well, we have heard how Putin will die of cancer by Christmas and it never happened
Then we heard how Putin was out of rockets and it never happened
Then we heard how Putin wouldn't dare bring out his nuclear bombers.
All while Putin is having patience for the U.S. and China to get into it knowing that China will not be as nice as Russia has been.

Once China blows the F out of the U.S. and Russia blows the F out of the U.K. it will be a cake walk for Russia to walk through Poland.

One nuke in Warsaw would shut Poland down as a country.

Strange.

Soviet Union - a much stronger country than Russia - was ruthlessly sodomized by a bunch of sandal-wearing, illiterate sheep caressers in Afghanistan. What makes you think much weaker Russia can succeed against a relatively strong, modern Ukrainian army?

While some gullible suckers follow RT (which features the russian government wants westerners to think) I prefer to get news directly from russian state media (which is what the government tells citizens to think... if they dare think at all....).

Russia has failed to capture a single administrative center in 15 months.... because they don't want to..... for some reason..... but be assured russia can stand up to the west because...... something something hand waving.....

twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/status/1665352609475993602

Over several months, generalsvr (usual caveats) has suggested a russian strategy of slow creeping mobilization... small steps, many unpublicized, meant to work around public disinterest in dying in a ditch in Ukraine for putain's vanity.... and to pull people into the army so they can be turned into dead russian soldiers...

Here's the latest step in that process....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1665316939747475457

I find his analyses to be quite good.

There are a lot of fires right now in r*SSia, and it's heartening to see both border incursions by r*SSian rebels as well as skirmishes with fatalities on both sides between Wagner and the ordinary orcs

.....and the "Legion Free Russia" (Belgorod) won't stop before reaching Moscow, or so they are cited in the german SPIEGEL...things are warming up! :)

spiegel.de/ausland/belgorod-freiwilligenkaempfer-von-legion-freies-russland-tragen-ukraine-krieg-nach-russland-a-0fb4196c-89d2-487c-9d21-e52d38558980

Very much so.

Some reports suggest that the push has just started.

Certainly, there's extreme panic in r*SSia about today's events...

Weird stuff about the russian army.... the Wagner group (mostly made up of violent criminals) took an officer of the russian army prisoner, beat him up and made him apologize on camera.... and not a single russian person seems to think there's anything wrong with that (certainly no consequences for P or his thugs).

Similarly, all signs are that the russian government isn't very concerned about battles taking place between the russian army and russian rebels....

the russian system (as pointed out by many analysts) is actually weak and fragile and incapable of reacting in a timely manner.... so much time is spent in punishing innovation and initative (in favor of looting the state coffers) that it barely counts as a government at all....

a pathetic, broken and failed society

Exercise Air Defender 23 is the largest air force deployment exercise in NATO's history. It demonstrates solidarity within the alliance and transatlantic ties: From June 12th to 23rd, up to 10,000 exercise participants from 25 nations with 250 aircraft will train under the leadership of the Air Force for air operations in European airspace.



Soon it begins....

bundeswehr.de/de/organisation/luftwaffe/team-luftwaffe-auf-uebung/air-defender-23-



Air Operations over Europe

Air Defender 23 is the largest air force deployment exercise in NATO's history. The goal is to practice air operations with allied air forces. The focus is on optimizing and expanding the cooperation between the participating nations. The scenario is modeled after a NATO Article 5 Assistance scenario.

The exercise was initiated by Germany in 2018, planned over the following years and will take place under German leadership in the summer.

Which nations are participating?

25 nations and NATO are practicing the joint responsiveness of their air forces in a crisis situation. Germany takes on the leading role and is the logistic hub.

The following nations are participating: Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Italy, Japan, Croatia, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Romania, Sweden, Slovenia, Spain, Czech Republic, Turkey, Hungary, USA, UK

Aircraft from partner nations will be stationed at several locations in Germany during the exercise.

It'll be interesting to see the breadth of Turkey's involvement.


So, being a maligned Russian is only a false perception perpetuated by Russian-baiters. What kind of reparations are you Russians seeking? :)

This was something that acted against Germany in WW2. They'd been studying scientific watfare since Frederick's time, were convinced that their metrics and analytical tools were foolproof, as well as holding a belief in their own superiority. This led to a state of outrage and found it very hard to react well when their opponent didn't behave the way they'd anticipated.

We can see this happening now to r*SSia. They are very weak at anticipating different outcomes and of course their concept of warfare is very much in the past.

....thought exactly the same! :)

But maybe we should Turkey cut some slack (as Hungary too)....the current leadership is one thing, NATO membership something totally different!

How so? Turkish military is under the control of current leadership.

No....I mean it differently....parties and govs get elected and discarded....but nobody ever challenged the NATO membership, no matter the actual mood. So I guess Turkey will do its part, no matter how fishy Erdogan does sound and acts sometimes.

Understood.


That's the question: what is Turkey's part. It seems to be a delicate balancing act for NATO--it's not a friend, but it is an ally. How much information and responsibility do you give it under such a footing?

Their own interest. In international affairs The Porte has always been circumspect and somewhat opaque; there's no reason that NATO membership should change political or cultural behaviour in Türkiye or anywhere else.

We should be content that they host Incerlik, something they do well and to NATO's advantage.

What is a friend if not the one who comes to your aid when you need it?

Everything else is playing the homies if needed, to get re-elected maybe, but when pushes come to shove it all comes down to NATO! *shrugs*

@jon357

The hope in the East is that the Turks are just being Turks. They will wait up to the very last moment, until SCO/BRICS/ODKB are fully formed, then they will begin their traditional dance of trying to extract maximum benefits from NATO by threatening to join a rival bloc. Understanding, realistically, that an attack from NATO is improbable (save from Greece), Turkey would understand that it doesn't stand to lose much if its extortionate approach backfires.

So they will demand F-35s, THAADS, Reapers, etc just to stay on board. Then they will demand free reign vs the Syrian Kurds. They'll again begin screaming for America to extradite various Gullenists. If they feel they don't get the respect they deserve, they'll come running to Moscow and Beijing for all sorts of photo ops.

Honestly the Turks are just exhausting.

...hardly an Article 5 - case!

Obviously, and that is what causes the delicate balancing act from a NATO perspective. Does their own interest dovetail with most of NATO member interests?

@Bobko

Not mention they will threaten to build their own nuclear arsenal if US ever removes nukes from Incirlik.

They are exhausting...and shrewd.

That's Türkiye.

Doubtless every possibility has been thoroughly anticipated by those whose job it is to do so.

...they train defense together with their arch enemies, the Greeks!

Each of them is counting on the other, their arch enemy, to come to their rescue if attacked....that is mindboggling but it's working! :)

But this air exercise is all about Russia. How far is Turkey willing to go?