Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

Brilliant.

As soon as the western tanks enter action against T-55 and the likes, Russian troops will be comfortably defeated. However, even if Russia is defeated, they will rebuild their forces and continue with hybrid actions against us. That's why, apart from demilitarisation, there needs to be a total deputinisation of Russia. Then, of course, when proper democratic changes are supervised, there might be hope for permanent peace.

....I heard the military leadership gives out "bounties" for every destroyed Leopard...Ruble for proof! :)

The Kremlin on Wednesday welcomed a Russian company's offer of "bounty payments" for soldiers who destroy Western-made tanks on the battlefield in Ukraine, saying it would spur Russian forces to victory.

The Russian company Fores this week offered 5 million roubles ($72,000) in cash to the first soldiers who destroy or capture U.S.-made Abrams or German Leopard 2 tanks in Ukraine.

On Wednesday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Russian troops would "burn" any Western tanks that were delivered to Ukraine, adding the bounties were extra encouragement for Russian soldiers....

euronews.com/2023/02/02/ukraine-crisis-tanks-kremlin

Hahahah!

Check how your much-awaited offensive is doing before making such posts.

At this rate of losses, the offensive has perhaps 5-7 days of steam left in it, unless some corrective measures are taken.

Don't give me this sinister laugh from horrors when your tankists are screaming in horror at the sight of Abrams and Leopards. ;)

We are as terrified as the Syrian Kurds who torched dozens of Erdogan's much more modern Leopards.

We are in the same panic as ISIS, when it disabled 100+ Iraqi Abrams during their dash to Mosul.

I know you are of a low opinion of Russians and their capabilities, but I believe we are a more competent force than the PKK and ISIS.

Only of Russian army.

Don't know about ISIS but Kurds are bad-ass fighters (even their women!).

They are.

The offensive for the Ukrainians is going just about as badly as you can imagine someone's "combined arms attempt" to go in the absence of:

1) Air superiority
2) Local "fires" superiority
3) Absence of actual NATO-grade communications links between armor, infantry, and artillery

Add to this:

1) Most comprehensive defensive lines built since WW2
2) Total lack of the element of surprise
3) Use of mobilized men as "assault force". Doesn't matter if they were trained in Britain and America. Their quality is not known until contact with the enemy.

....an angry armed resistance who defends its homeland is hell for every foreign army (and their tanks), right Bobko?

Even if that counteroffensive fails, the Ukrainians, with all their western support and funding, will become a mean guerilla....Russia can only lose in the end, worse than in Afghanistan.

...and is armed by countries representing 40% of world GDP - you forgot to add. Otherwise, everything is correct.


Maybe you know more than me, but in Russia we are expecting that this was one of the last big injections of Western military kit into Ukraine for the foreseeable future.

Which makes Putin's stubbornness only doubly incomprehensible...every win, every success now for the russian troops is only short lived and will only extend this drama!


Well....Selensky did something with our Chancellor..a "bromance" started....he seems to be now personally interested, contrary to the beginning. And for the next two years he is still Chancellor...and no matter what happens in the US, I think Scholz will keep on supporting the Ukraine.

Just guessing here of course, but a change in behaviour is discernible....

You seem to assume an "infinite" capacity to resist on the part of the Ukrainians. In other words - give them enough weapons, and they will fight to the death.

This is a simplistic analysis. It does not take into account Russia's huge manpower advantage, the fact that the entirety of our territory is largely unharmed, and that our economy is slowly mobilizing.

Ukrainians are humans too. They have a limit


Lol. How the mouse roars! Is this the same Scholz that did not agree to send Leopards until America agreed to authorize 31 Abrams tanks as a token offering?

After Bucha, Irpien and all the other massacres (Izuym etc) I am 80% confident that if Ukraine continues doing well Russia will bomb Zaporozhian Nuclear Plant.

We are talking about an absolute terrorist state after all.

It is experience....we were there before! Forgotten? :)


Yup! He now talks differently....you wouldn't believe it....

The point is - you don't have huge manpower.

Russia's demography is absolutely appalling, even if your muslims are improving the statistics slightly when ethnic Russian women seem to be unwilling to bear children. Even with all your c*ntillions of different nationalities, ethnicities and sizeable muslim population, you still have lower population than Bangladesh (like 30 million or something lower!), low life exptectancy (especially among men), you are throwing your young men into the meat grinder in Ukraine, and those who manage to do so escape from Russia in droves. Russia's demographic, military and economic potential is decreasing at a terrifying rate.

And for what?

For what? Even if you manage to conquer the whole of Ukraine (very unlikley).

Is there anyone in your country who ask themselves this question - "what the f*ck are we doing this for"?

too bad the same can't be said for your countrymen....

russia has no strategic, longterm goals in Ukraine... destruction and killing for the sake of destruction and killing are all its after.

russia is in a civilizational death spiral with no longterm goals or aspirations or values.... just brute force and theft as the Russian Denis Zakharov put it: Nihilistic cruelty is the only concept that Russia wholeheartedly embraces.

Ukraine has a national story now: We're breaking free of russia and joining the West.

Poland has a national story now: We're helping protect Europe from russia

What is russia's national story?


russians don't think in those terms... as Simonyan's husband put it, in russia "Authority is sacred" the tsar wants to destroy Ukrainians and that's enough for people who have no tolerance for dissent from government opinion.

You are too kind. I admire that a foreigner would study Russia to such a level as to truly see into the darkness of our heart. They should give you a professorship at St. Petersburg State University.


Yes, we have a lot of these superannuated malcontents in Russia, spouting different nonsense. Doesn't make it worth listening to.


Greatness, and absolute, stunning, glory! Our national story is the most glorious of all national stories. Even our Mongolian brothers, probably, cannot compare. The "Russian" idea, is enough to consume the whole world, Mafketis. If only you had eyes to see, and ears to hear.

Now corpses from russia's terror attack are washing ashore around Odesa and the beaches are closed for quarantine....

russia is pestilence, an illness that spreads filth and disease...

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1666842475174977536

Hmm... you haven't been doing particularly great in these categories lately, have you?


Have you read L'idée russe? Not the one by Soloviev but by Tomáš Špidlík. Great book. I definitely agree that Russia had the potential to be great in both material and spiritual sense but for some reason - still unclear to me despite all the books I read on Russia - she threw it all away and plunged into the depths of corruption, cruelty and hopelessness.

they threw it away after the collapse of the soviet union.... rather than face up to facts: "Something is wrong with us that we created and maintained the monstrosity that was the CCCP, we should work on that" they chose "we were betrayed!" as their national story to explain the previous (roughly) 70 years...

then they (collectively) chose crime and theft over entrepreneurship and initiative (like Poland)

then they chose to infantilize themselves as serfs, subjects of the glorious tsar in exchange for a bit less crime and violence

russia is a bad choice machine... and russians are incapable of understanding ideas like responsibility and meritocracy

@mafketis
That's because they cannot fathom to this day how the very idea of the Soviet Union was one of the worst parts of human history. Cause they beat the Nazies

Rather then accept the fact that they are one of the toughest Slavs there is who are able to survive under one of the toughest types of regimes there is, be not only the largest Slavic nation but, also the largest state on the entire globe. Who took the spotlight from Poland twice! (Up until the Russian revolution, Poles were the leading star among Slavs regarding socialist revolutions and uprisings against the ancient regimes and by dwarfing the Polish Commonwealth through partitioning her).

But fighting for the cause of Slavs against Slavs becomes too much? *confused*

Leave this old fairy tale for the Serbs and their fabulists, Gruni.

We outgrew this provincial mentality when we became an empire.

While Poles worried about Slavs, Russians worried about the liberation of Angolans, Cubans, Vietnamese, and Nicaraguans.

Do you think France could ever be great without its Arabs and Congolese? Could Britain tower over the world without Indians?

You have to look wider than Slavdom.

This is why China, even when it is bigger in economy than Russia by 10X, cannot offer 1/10th the influence we Russians had before 1991. The idea of autocratic capitalism simply doesn't have the same allure as an ideology of brotherhood of man.

At least Muscovy has one thing to inspire its demoralised, terrified and currently fleeing troops.

Yes, it's the orc army pin up,

Wait for it,

The forces favourite and orc beauty Queen, officially the most beautiful married woman in ruzzia, here she is, Mrs Russia 2023

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1666090563731595268

At least we now know where Pighozin's hiding although he could have been a bit more careful with the make up.

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@GefreiterKania
I am simply being pragmatical, you only need to notice that regardless of her relationship with Western European states and their history, got somebody to rely on or be backed by. Hoping for something similar in case of Russia for Poland, now wouldn't be so bad huh? From a historical perspective only chance Poland had to have a serious Slavic state to rely on/be allied with after conflicts with Bohemians, it was the Russian Tsardom til times of partitions mind you.

@Bobko
Through Catholicism, certain matters are global matter regardless of prestigious rank. I am surprised to hear that this "global" perspective of brotherhood among men is a new thing for Russians post 1917, one would think it's only logical that Christianity came to all of humankind, not only to Russians and to be governed by Russians

Bad lightning?

@Bratwurst Boy
Lack of photoshop and probably blew or bribed the judges to win, assuming she wasn't married to one of them.

....and they have so many so pretty women...

I think Brotherhood of Man under the commies lost its allure when you joined forces with your Nazi allies to invade us in 1939

Funny then, that all those brown and black people rallied to our flag AFTER 1939.

" All those". - a handful of psychopathic dictators who looted their countries and starved their people, supported by Udmurtian weapons, some of which are now being reused in Ukraine