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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



jon357
9 Jun 2023  #751

is not in the interests of Ukraine or its supporters to publish detailed maps of where the army is and isn't....

Indeed, and by all accounts ruzzian sources are claiming that they've managed to hold onto land they've lost or destroyed Ukrainian ehicles that they haven't bu using old photos.

Here's the latest from today:
r*SSia lost 15K+ orcs in the first 5 days of Ukraine's small-scale counteroffensive probing assaults:
-3,830 killed (suggesting 11,490 wounded, meaning 15,320 total casualties)
-46 tanks (more than a tank battalion at full strength)
-88 armored vehicles
-163 artillery/MLRS

There are also reports of mass desertions by orcs and explosions at orc military bases 75km from the front.

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #752

This offensive has had a decidedly poor "opening"...

...for the fat lady to start singing.

There are also reports of mass desertions by orcs and explosions at orc military bases 75km from the front.

At that rate, Us will be in Moscow in a matter of months.

Hey, Russia misspellers, just between us here, do you really believe that Russia will let go of CDL in the next decade? Would you if you were Putin?

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #753

I just want Jon and Maf to say this is exactly how they expected the counteroffensive to unfold. Experiencing a little bit of cognitive dissonance here...

I know the Russians are supposed to be running from the Leopards and Bradleys like the plague, but instead they seem to be getting destroyed at their staging areas, even before they can reach a defensive line.

What gives? What happened?

Could it be that Ukraine really was trying to pull off the grandest of all surprises, and attack over the Dnieper near Kherson - directly towards Crimea? Then the dam explosion scuppered that plan, and the Ukrainians were forced to attack there where everybody expected them to? Hmmmmm

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #754

but instead they seem to be getting destroyed at their staging areas, even before they can reach a defensive line.

...that sounds abit fishy, you have to admit!

We are talking about superior, hard to kill hardware here....

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #755

What gives? What happened?

It's a Hitler in April 1945 syndrome. Z is his modern copy.
The only question is who will pour gasoline.

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #756

We are talking about superior, hard to kill hardware here....

I don't think an anti-tank mine or a perfectly zeroed in 152MM HE round really cares about the specs on your hardware. Physics comes into play.

What Ukraine needed to do was suppress our artillery, and clear the skies. Instead we got to observe them advancing from miles away, and then obliterated them when they entered the grids our artillery had previously zeroed in on.

Also, our helicopters proved a nasty surprise. Turns out they are a lot more effective when firing from inside our lines, rather than flying over UKR lines infested with MANPADS. Reports are that a single KA-52 destroyed 7 pieces of armor in one night.

jon357
9 Jun 2023  #757

I just want Jon and Maf to say this is exactly how they expected the counteroffensive to unfold

Expect? Why would Ukraine even give the slightest clue about their plans for their successful counteroffensive.

And neither Maf nor I have a crystal ball nor are we military strategists or tacticians (and nor are you).

It's delightful to read the reports of mass surrender by recently mobilised orcs though.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #758

hmmm.....still no reports in the german media about something like this happening....

jon357
9 Jun 2023  #759

Ho-ho-ho-ho! Proof please. A map from your craziest NATO troll on Twitter will do

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, denies it's a duck, demands you prove it's a duck, accuses you of being a duck, says your dog is a duck, that your friend's cat is a duck & that all 3 'ducks' are Russophobic ducks paid to be crisis actors, it's a Kremlin duck

mafketis
9 Jun 2023  #760

I just want Jon and Maf to say this is exactly how they expected the counteroffensive to unfold

I'm not in the prediction business. Go try to confuse people elsewhere russian fascist.

Right is on the Ukrainian side and everything russia has done in Ukraine is unfathomably evil....so I want Ukraine to drive russia from the entire country.

I don't give a rat's @ss what happens to russia or russians anywhere.

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #761

It's delightful to read the reports of mass surrender by recently mobilised orcs though.

That's what everybody does when they sense that the end is near.

No, Russia will not lose no matter how ridiculous your spelling is.

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #762

still no reports in the german media

Twitter and Telegram better when you're talking about sub-12hr reporting. Here's a live thread from Rob Lee. Former USMC, published author, currently a research analyst at Foreign Policy Research Institute. Spent time embedded in Bakhmut alongside AFU. No one can accuse this man of pro-Russian sympathies. The tweets are from just an hour ago, give it half a day for articles.


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Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #763

Bobko, you are so mean...It's like telling a kid there is no Santa.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #764

Twitter and Telegram

....hmmm.....in the Twitter thread he mentions the source of these images as russian.....from two days ago.....

twitter.com/RALee85/status/1667205417695363075

Let's wait for western confirmation, okay?

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #765

A reader's comment worth posting here...

The neo-Nazi army is being denazified and demilitarized with each battle. Its defeats in Mariupol, Soledar and Bakhmut have shown Russia has better war plans and more effective weapons than NATO. It has been reported that Ukraine was armed and trained to NATO standards and to be NATO's second best army. Well, the Ukrainian army will crumble soon like the Afghan army the US/NATO trained for 20 years and billions spent!

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #766

I'm a genius. I basically just wrote Maf the same thing, that this David guy is writing to Michael Kofman now (traitorous rat, working for American Center for Naval Analyses, and also spent time embedded in Bakhmut).

How can this thing last weeks/months - at this attrition rate? Unless the rate changes, and soon, this will end much faster.

For context: the tweet above just appeared.

from two days ago.....

That's as fast as you'll get these things. The drone operator has to fly his drone back, download all the stuff on its memory, send it to our military censors for review, and then some small part of it will be released for consumption by the public. You want a live-feed from Russian drones to your iPhone?


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Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #767

That's as fast as you'll get these things.

I would had thought such a propagandistic success like truly killing Leopards and Abrams would move alot faster along....any word on the bounties already?

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #768

There is a point where Z will be a war criminal for wasting his men the way Hitler did.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #769

Interesting:

..."Tiger" became a good catch-all term among American soldiers as it sounded downright frightening. It was Nazi Germany's heaviest tank, and viewers of the film Fury will understand why it was so feared.

"Perhaps, we are experiencing that same phenomenon: Every burning Ukraine vehicle is now a 'Leopard,'" Adams-Graf continued. "Regardless, with the prevalent use of deepfake videos, it will be hard for anyone to verify combat results unless they were standing in the midst of the action."

And that is a good point.


forbes.com/sites/petersuciu/2023/06/08/videos-keep-circulating-that-claim-destruction-of-german-leopard-2-tanks-in-ukraine/

...Video editing is simpler than ever-while even some video game footage has already been passed off as being recorded in Ukraine. So until footage from the ground is presented of a destroyed Leopard 2, it is impossible to say for sure if any of the big cats have actually been put down.

Lets wait for real proof!

Russian imagery just isn't enough....

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #770

any word on the bounties already?

Yep, some guy won a pick-up truck. This is the Wagner telegram admin that is awarding it. I think, however, that some wealthy Russian businessmen promised larger and more valuable awards.

mafketis
9 Jun 2023  #771

some video game footage has already been passed off as being recorded in Ukraine

that's why you don't engage with russians... they lie like they breathe... it's an involuntary process they're barely aware of (many have written about it, including Galeev).

they've been spreading lies and confusion about the counteroffensive for weeks with almost no accuracy.... so believe (or disccus with them) at your own peril

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #772

Yep, some guy won a pick-up truck.

Now that isn't the promised bounty for a western tank, isn't it? Wasn't it some 5.000.000 ruble?

Someone really getting that prize might indicate a true success....

jon357
9 Jun 2023  #773

Lets wait for real proof!

Russian imagery just isn't enough

they've been spreading lies and confusion about the counteroffensive for weeks with almost no accuracy

2021 Russia the Second best army in the World,
2022 ruSSia the Second best army in Ukraine,
2023 r*SSia the Second best army in r*SSia!

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #774

2022 ruSSia the Second best army in Ukraine,

CDL is Russia. Tough sh*it. Sue 'em.

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #775

Now that isn't the promised bounty for a western tank, isn't it? Wasn't it some 5.000.000 ruble?

A nice pick-up truck can cost 5M.

Here's the message that somebody won the car. I doubt they'll advertise the soldier's identity.

This guy is as tight as a duck's butt. A lot of people doubted he would ever give the award to anyone, even if they towed the Bradley into his front yard. The fact that he's parting with this truck means someone was successful.


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Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #776

....interesting....let's wait what the german media shows....

Bobko
9 Jun 2023  #777

let's wait

Ah, BB... What is more iconic than a burning Panzer in the steppes of southern Ukraine? The more things change, the more they stay the same ;)


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Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #778

Now that is proof! :)

Novichok
9 Jun 2023  #779

I am actually surprised that Germany would get talked into this bullsh*it. Imagery aside, it's been nothing but a total disaster for your economy.

Bratwurst Boy
9 Jun 2023  #780

I am actually surprised that Germany would get talked into this bullsh*it.

Putin shouldn't had invaded, that started it.....and it took a long time for Germans to believe he actually did that!


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