Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

@GefreiterKania
I wouldn't be surprised, either that, provoke Russians/scare them or not enough time to remake colours

With regard to Ottomon post, fight the entante, not join*

Nope. Germans sent the Leos without any markings. Ukrainians painted the balkenkreuz insignia themselves.

I find it rather odd.

Anyway, Russian troops in trenches tell "Niemcy" when talking about AFU. ;) So, it will be easy to switch, if necessary, even no need to change nickname. ;) ;)

It's almost as if Ukrainians wanted to make such impression. Hard to tell what's the reason for it. Oh, well...

@Velund
That's enough, you are obviously overdoing it. I understand you are happy with tribalism, group chest pounding, even tree pissing.
You must be aware that few armor lost is nothing.
Overacting makes you look somewhat pathetic.

It's either dutch courage or gallows humour.
How Vodka ruined Russia youtube.com/watch?v=vK7l55ZOVIc

Especially as the pics shown on Twitter show a Wehrmachts-Balkenkreuz....far different to the modern german Bundeswehr-Balkenkreuz!

Some poster in that thread said they did it with purpose....someone really should tell them how the last time ended....I have no idea whats going on in these heads!

Others said it's from a video game, not real....that would be at least an explanation.....

Another dead orc 'general' and apparently all his staff 'officers' too.

That and dodgy images from orc propagandists of old tanks. At least this time they aren't issuing pictures of destroyed combine harvesters and pretending they're tanks. They're just manipulating images.

And good that they've finally owned up to blowing up the Kakhovka dam (they were actually boasting about it). Some more war crimes for them to be jailed/executed for when it's over.

A bit long for a quote, however under the circumstances and due to its importance (and being official), hopefully the mods will allow it:

❗️Attention! StratCom of the Armed Forces warns. The Russian occupying forces are intensifying their informational and psychological operations.

Russian telegram channels and social networks are planning to intensify the spread of unreliable information about the combat operations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And of their own formations.

In order to demoralise Ukrainians and mislead the community (including their own population), Russian propagandists will spread false information about the counteroffensive, its directions, and the losses of the Ukrainian army. Even if there is no counterattack. For this, old videos and photos have been prepared, which show damaged vehicles, dead and captured. And also other fake materials.

We remind you that reliable information can be obtained only from operational reports of the General Staff, strategic communications structures and from designated official speakers of the Defense Forces and Armed Forces of Ukraine❗️

That would also be an explanation for the Wehrmachts-Balkenkreuz on the Leopards....

old and prohibited:



modern and popular:

All weapons systems provided Ukraine with additional capabilities. Sometimes in critical moments. Bayraktars had their 5 minutes of glory when Russians failed to cover their 60 km convoy marching on Kyiv with adequate air defense.

In time Russians managed to neutralize some of the threats posed by these systems (Bayraktars) but are still getting regularly HIMARSed (or Storm Shadowed).

Neither of these systems has the ability to singlehandedly win wars. But together they result in greater Russian losses and succeful campaigns for Ukraine. Hopefully this will also be the case in the next few weeks.

If you send guys in a T-72 and it gets hit, ammo explodes inside and kills crew. You lose everything, including several soldiers, their abilities and experience.

If you send them in Leopard though, in the event of getting hit they have greater chance of survival - and may drive another tank soon.

Same with Bradleys and post-Soviet APCs.

That's the main difference between Soviet and Western tech - the latter was made with security of the crew in mind.

Stock footage that's been tinkered about with. One alleged Leopard was in fact a combine harvester; the pic had been crudely photoshopped.


Unless it's hit by a Challenger II, in which case the shell cuts through the r*SSian tank as if it's air and explodes in the tank behind it (or behind that one even). The shells travel so fast that they aren't even smeared with the tank crews' meat.

And they can fire whole artillery batteries at a Challenger and it will still keep on going.

Breathtaking... how you guys "update" your positions on the fly.

So now Western armor is not some kind of super duper Wunderwaffe that evaporates Russians by its mere presence, but is simply... an example of the Western human-centric school of design thought. Got it.

Good luck putting a guy suffering from contusions, and the overall experience of climbing out of a burning tank, BACK INTO A TANK.

In the aviation world, there is a months and years long protocol for the psychiatric rehabilitation of pilots that experienced ditches. That's just for being catapulted out of a plane. Imagine what happens to a person that was hit while sitting inside a tank. He will try to do everything not to get back inside one.

So it's not a rinse-and-repeat?

I noticed the difference between very intelligent people like me who tend to look at things from a distance and PF childish Russia haters who are amused by the details of tank design and shocked to see dead babies. Yes, in wars, babies die, too. In fact, a 20-year-old man is a lot more important than a dozen babies but we are not supposed to say that.

OK, kids, no matter what, the big picture is that Russia will under no circumstances give up C, D, or L as that would tell the snake to move on and finish the job of Yugo-fu*cking Russia into smaller pieces to make swallowing easier. (I can do stupid Polish metaphors, too.)

Ain't gonna ever happen, a-holes.

I feel these bleeding heart Ukrainian supporters actually have less capacity for empathy towards the Ukrainians than we do.

Based on comments like the one above, they truly view them as inanimate machines.

You don't though, do you...

"We" includes me and I am proud of my feeling this way. I am the only one here who used "good men" to object to prolonging this war.

The saddest part is that everybody - including PF Russia haters - knows the final outcome but still pretends that it is not only unknown but that Ukraine will actually get CDL back.

As I said before, at some point - just as Poland and France did way back - a leader who loves his country and its people, gives up to stop the mayhem.

In that sense, Z and his Western warmongers are the real war criminals.

@Novichok, you're so full of hypocritical sh1t :)))

Sorry, guys, but noone buys your crap. We really don't. We only help Ukrainians because they want to fight for their country. We're not forcing them to do that.


Sure, Bobko, that's why you and other Putinist sick f*cks support this invasion and killing Ukrainians - because you have so much "empathy" for Ukrainians :)))

Pity you don't have enough empathy for RuSSian soldiers - enough to want for Putin to stop the mayhem.

Is there a point in terms of Ukrainian deaths where you, Russia-hating morons, will say enough and stop pouring gas?
The answer is a number so skip your usual personal crap and essays.
Round it off to the nearest 100,000.

I feel sorry for the non-nazi part of Ukrainian society. I genuinely do. If they are not upanazis, SS-galizien loving scum, they have my full sympathy in their suffering caused by this war.

However, the amount of f*ck that I actually give about the future, borders or government form of Ukrainian state is somewhat limited (as long as it doesn't negatively impact Polish national safety).

Maybe (just maybe), if one day some future Ukrainian government decide that it would be wise to apologise for the Volhynia Genocide and ban the cult of UPA banderist animals and SS-Galizien sickf*cks, my f*ckaboutthemgiving may inrease. Until then...

We do know the final outcome - Putin committing suicide in his bunker, Lavrov poisoning himself at the Hague, Shoigu escaping to drive a taxi in Argentina and Ukraine a free democratic nation with a pretty good army.

Oh, and you losers telling your grandkids what you did in the war - shilling for drunken rapists who invaded the homes of decent innocent people.

novi's world (warning: clinically insane)

not pouring gas: invading a peaceful neighbor, stealing land from peaceful neighbor, killing tens of thousands of civilians in actions targeting civilians, creating an ecological disaster

pouring gas: self-defense against an invader and helping a country being invaded against the aggressor

novi is from bizarro world "He am so brilliant he stoopid".

All I said was it's grotesque how someone claimed above that "Western tanks are so great, because after they're torched the Ukrainians can be reused again in a new tank".

Russians do not treat these kind of things in this same "spectator sport" fashion as you foreigners do. More often than not, a person in a video featuring UKR forces in some kind of trouble, is named something like Vanya or Vasya and speaks perfect, albeit accented, Russian. His moans, or how he calls for his mother, lands home for us Russians in a much different way than for others - I suspect.

I would argue a typical Russian reaction to documented scenes of Ukrainian misery are, in order of popularity:

1) "Fu*k, what a stupid war. I wish it to be over soon."

2) "They got what was coming, they should not have resisted"

3) "God, I hope he's ok. He sounded just like my brother/cousin/father."

4) "What were you doing in that trench, you idiot? Is dying for Zelensky worth this?"

5) "Haha, fried UKR pig!"

From my impressions of reading foreign comments about Russian losses, point number 5 is actually number 1, and point 1 is point number 5 (in rank order).

Probably too embarrassed to tell them what his father did as a soviet prosecutor and judge.

That's true.

I don't know how many videos I saw with Russian tanks and ifvs being destroyed or Russian soldiers killed and countless comments as "no people died in the making of this video (only orcs ha ha)" and the like. And most of them made by onanists who would sh*t themselves sooner than get anywhere near any real battle.

Most of your list sounds like things children from violent homes say.... dad is beating the crap out of brother or sister and the one that isn't getting black eyes and bloody noses cries and makes excuse for the parent carrying out the abuse....

It's a very infantile culture... no sense of responsibility or moral compass just endless and mindless giving in to abusive authority figures and hoping to not get hit.... what a miserable life, no wonder Ukrainians want no part of it any more.....

russia again hits a point distributing aid to civilians.... russian 'culture' is just unspeakably filthy and degenerate...

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1668676140183986176

Maf, why? Do you ask yourself this when you read more news about the terrible atrocities perpetrated by Russians?

Why would Russians hit a humanitarian aid distribution point?

Does even ISIS or the Taliban engage in such behavior? I think ISIS and the Talibs would wait for the aid to be distributed, then expropriate it from the people, and resell it on markets - raising funds for arms purchases and salaries for fighters.

Why is attacking humanitarian aid warehouses bad for ISIS & the Talibs?

1) It creates a negative picture abroad about the true nature of their regimes. Hardening Western resolve to provide further aid.

2) Far from showing to the local populace how the "West can't protect them", it instead angers them towards ISIS, making them more willing collaborators to American special forces or whatnot.

3) It is simply cruel and without logic.

So why then does Russia do this, if it does it all? Anticipating some of your answers, I will kindly ask you not to include the following, but actual rational explanations instead:

1) Russians are evil
2) Russians are a bankrupt culture of murderers and rapists
3) Russians are a separate biological species, worse than the Mongols, and closer to the Tolkien-created Orcs.

Just give me some reasonable angle, that would explain why despite the above Russia decided it was prudent to hit that target while knowing it was a humanitarian aid distribution point.

Someone as smart as you could certainly do this.

We're not pouring any gas, you disgusting, f*cked up psycho. RuSSia invaded Ukraine and we're helping it defend itself, because we were ASKED by Ukraine for help.

And it's up to Ukrainians to decide how much they're ready to sacrifice and for what. I may have my private thoughts and wishes on the matter, but it's ultimately up to Ukrainians, so f*ck off already.


"Reused"? You think that soldiers fighting for their country don't think in similar terms? It depends on the soldier. One soldier will lose his arm and will ask when he can go back to the frontline. Another soldier may survive his tank getting hit intact and be traumatised so much that he won't be able to fight again.

Yes, Bobko, it has to be possible for Ukraine to "reuse" their soldiers, because they don't have as many people as RuSSia does and so they can't just throw them to death as cannon fodder as RuSSia does. Where is your empathy for RuSSian cannon fodder that can't be even "reused" again? Where??

Bobko, did you just realise that war is not a fairytale and that your country is causing great human suffering?? 🤦

And, no, that's not what you "just" said. You wrote that you feel we have less capacity for empathy towards the Ukrainians than RuSSians do, which is a really grotesque statement considering... the reality... and all the things you wrote yourself on this forum.


I can't speak for Westerners, but if you think this way about Poles then you clearly don't know anything about us and you don't understand Poles at all.

One reason why Udmurtia terrorises civilians and is blase about death is that worked for them in WW2 - the only conflict they have won apart from their communist era invasions of weakened Warsaw Pact nations.

So they think it is worth trying now. They didn't have much precision weaponry in feb 22 and they have even less now. So logically all they can do is shell civilians - they might care a bit about it, but they care much more about not losing face in a meeting with Putin.

Yes.

Why were they killing people escaping from the flood they caused?

Why were they killing civilians with hands tied behind their back?

Why did they fire thermobaric bombs at the theatre in Mariupol when it was written in large letters on the roof that there were children inside?