Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

What about RuSSians? Why do they die? :)

According to Solovyov (bobko's and novi's spokesman) they're dying in the name of life....

youtube.com/watch?v=j63DzwLCbEo

I once was enrolled in a seminar called "Commercial Revolutions", or something like that. At one point we were studying retail, so I decided to do a presentation to the class on the subject of luxury goods in the former USSR. I believe one of the quotes I used in my paper, was of a Russian girl in Moscow being asked by a reporter:

R - How much do your shoes cost?

G - About $2,000

R - Do you feel that's worth it? Would you rather not save that money for a rainy day?

G - A girl in Laboutins does not have rainy days.

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So you see, even Russian women just live for the glory of the day. What's the point to discuss men.

Oh Jesus... What can I say - RuSSian state TV is a different state of mind... 🤢


I don't see you dying on the frontline though. Not so "sweet" afer all? *sigh*


Exactly.

That's Russia's and Putin's problem.
My problem is that the US MIC is making the US taxpayers pay for what their Ukrainian proxies are doing to their own people and to our unpayable debt.

Then advocate for Putin to withdraw from Ukraine and end this war - the sooner this war ends the less your taxpayers will pay, right? After all, you only care about the US and the US taxpayers' money - you don't care in the slightest about RuSSia, RuSSians and what will happen to your beloved Putin :)))

Quoting:

Kiev offers an explanation for the lack of battlefield progress
Recaptured territory is not the main criteria for assessing whether the counteroffensive is successful, a senior defense official has said

That's the title. Now some comments...

It's like that old pathetic saying: 'It's not the victory that counts but the participation.'

Zelensky says that news from the front is "generally positive". Translation: "I'm still skimming off the top and getting more fabulously wealthy day by day. Thank you, US taxpayers!"

Back in April 2020 - Ukraine even initialized the ceasefire peace documents, and then Boris jumped in & 350,000 dead Ukrainians later...

interesting articles in foreign affairs as well as the pro ukr boosters, we have only deployed 4 brigades out of 30, well is 26 that going to make any difference? against the stubborn ruski bear, if it's a resource war then china will supply, so the best is a stalemate with ukr territorial gains. even if the thrust to cut off some mythical land bridge happens the ruskis are goin to keep on fight ing.

af as i can tell it's peace talks after summer offensive or it's peace talks after another year or two of fighting.

foreign affairs articles How Wars Don't End Europe's Real Test Is Yet to Come The Treacherous Path to a Better Russia An Unwinnable War

Will Russia's Break With the West Be Permanent? The Fantasy of the Free World

Lol what? Who prints this nonsense?

Ukraine set aside 9 Western-trained brigades, and 3 locally-trained "assault" brigades for this counteroffensive (local assault brigades were prepared by MVD).

Western-trained:
1) 22nd Mechanized (a lot of these are classified as "mechanized", when really they are merely "motorized")
2) 32nd Mechanized
3) 33rd Mechanized
4) 37th Marine Infantry
5) 47th Mechanized
6) 82nd Air Assault
7) 116th Mechanized
8) 117th Mechanized
9) 118th Mechanized

Plus the three brigades trained by local cops, as mentioned. That's it. No 25-30 brigades. The others are either too beat, or holding their own important sections of the front.

Here's a little chart where you can see what piece of equipment went to what unit. This way you'll know who to watch for, if you are waiting for say... Challengers.

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The 82nd Air Assault will be the one to watch.

Airborne got the best kit. Strykers instead of silly MRAPs, Challengers instead of PT-91 Twardys, and M119 guns instead of D-30s.

The best airborne brigade Ukraine has, the 95th, has never left fighting since the start of the war. They probably feel they deserve all the kit, and not the guys who had been "chilling" in the UK all year.

I relied on western ukr twitter, which is full of bs and something mafketis should learn. the fact still remains only 4 brigades have been involved in the counter offensive, and from what we have seen , they have been shaping attacks and after sustaining heavy losses, tactics are being readjusted on the fly, now it's a mass infantry push accompanied by tanks, rather than lots of heavy armour rolling across the fields. the night vision tech superiority of the ukris should come in handy.

It's a big difference between 4 out of 30 having been involved, and 4 out of 12. It's the difference between losing 33% of your offensive potential, and "only" 13%. Finally, it's a huge difference in number of people - a maximum of 36K vs potentially almost 100k men.

If Ukraine was assaulting with 100K men I would be much more worried.


Yes. This is true. Now masses of infantry push in front of the tanks, clearing mines and suppressing tree lines and trenches, while tanks merely provide fire support. When Russians started doing this, everyone's response here was, "haha, primitive orcs, they still fight like their grandads". But now when Ukraine is doing it, it's all: "how very prudent and wise - Ukrainian commanders are the best!".

This war pisses me off.

Can somebody here describe how life would change for the lower 90% of Ukrainians if Z complied with Putin's demands before the war?

You can skip getting up at 6, taking a shower, eating breakfast...you know the rest...

I am just trying to find out about those big ticket items like "freedom", "democracy", "motherland", faith, God, etc - things that Poles love dying for...

No one said the 4 brigades lost 33 percent of their offensive potential, apart from putin, we don't know if they were just shaping attacks with 10 percent of each brigade involved.


No. when ukraine is doing it it's all "they need gripens and apaches"

Ukrainians are not like you and I.

They wake up, and even before eating breakfast give thanks to the Lord for being able to worship Bandera freely. Then they step outside, and spend 15 minutes basking in their freedom to salute the yellow and blue. After thoroughly having enjoyed the sight of their unmolested flag, they go to the kitchen where they revel in their freedom to say all the nasty things about Putin that Russians are too afraid to say. After breakfast, they spend some hours studying the Maastricht Treaty, and masturbating to the totality of protections for human dignity that exist under EU laws.

Feeling throughly European at this point, they retire to lunch - where it is normal among Ukrainian families to play the game of identifying what key institutions play a critical role in a system of checks and balances which prevents overreach by a powerful executive.

Throughout the rest of the day, Ukrainians spend much time reflecting on how wonderful is the absence of corruption, and how well functioning and plentiful their toilets and washing machines are.

Before going to bed, they say a few more prayers thanking the Lord for not placing them under Putin's dominion.

I think this is fairly accurate to how Maf would describe the life of an average civilian in Ukraine.

You shouldn't. ure a ruski mongol that should be deported from the usa.


that your Ukrainian wife hasn't stabbed you in your sleep yet?

Fair enough. But they did lose the lion's share of their heavy mine clearing equipment and tanks.

total bs at most 2-4 mine clearing and 4-6 leopards documented? lol one swallow does not a summer make..

Seems you are about 10 days behind the news.

I really enjoyed your post, Bobko. Now I have to take that bucket full of your award-winning sarcasm and save it for future use. I promise to give you full credit for it.

My problem is that I still miss what exactly would make the average Ukrainian say to his wife and kids:

I just read Bobko's post and decided to risk my life to be able to do all those things he mentioned. Without them, life has no meaning. Just growing old together and watching our kids prosper is not good enough.

yeah i admit haven't kept up with the rybar etc kamikaze drone footage so what's the count now mr objectivity?

@amiga500

Around 30 Bradleys, 15-20 Leopards, 50+ MRAPs. A smattering of AD systems (1 Iris-T, some OSAs, etc). No idea on casualties.

Fighting Spetsnaz, Corruption, POWs & Mistreatment - German Foreign Fighter In Ukraine Interview
youtube.com/watch?v=SCcqxPUuYnw

Good thing they didn't, they'd be even less prepared for russia's invasion, which was always going to happen. russia is simply incapable of not invading its neighbors unless it faces overwhelming force...

russia has yet to honor any agreement made, what would have made a useless piece of paper signed in April 2020 any different?


I am living rent free in your head... next I'm thinking of putting in an air-conditioner in that window by the door. Maybe get a new throw rug... Watch out saturday I might invite some friends over for a dance.... do you like the Go-A? We'll be playing Shum a lot... (inbetween the rockettes dancing around a portrait of Bandera).

lucky you!

Quoting the Guardian: .

Volodymyr Zelenskiy has conceded that Ukraine's counteroffensive may be going "slower than desired" but has insisted that he will not needlessly risk soldiers' lives to meet international expectations.

Hey, Z, you are lying and I don't trust you. I only trust PF military experts - maf and jon.

Based on their sources Ukraine is winning so knock that pessimism off. It's depressing... Besides, dying for "freedom and democracy" is ... I am not sure what it is, but some like it.

Hoes mad.

russians who surrendered (pretty smart for russians...) criticize their commanders...

twitter.com/Lyla_lilas/status/1669280735679709186

CW: the soldiers look like a cross between inhabitants of a homeless shelter (as if they had things like that in russia...) and/or a new version of the Walking Dead...

putain is a purveyor of misery and all who support him share in his ghastly crimes against his countrymen....

@Bobko
There is more, 36 k that propaganda.
Russian military is doing OK, if propaganda gets on your nerves, go and fight, it will calm you down.

russia: let's clean out the prisons, send them to the front and pardon any survivors! what could possiblye go wrong?

hmm, maybe this...

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1671679758705524737?cxt=HHwWgoDUvcb4_7IuAAAA

and this....

twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1671638891974250497?cxt=HHwWgsDSzeWt7bIuAAAA

money quote: "32,000 Wagner mercenaries who survived Ukraine owe their freedom to Prigozhin. Many will likely function as mercenaries he can now activate all over Russia, including against the Kremlin regime. Girkin took Sloviansk (population 106,972) with 45 mercenaries in 2014"

If it wasn't for terrible ideas that kill lots of people... russia wouldn't have any ideas at all....

But in this case I really dont' give a rat's @ss what happens to russians who supported the idiotic idea to invade Ukraine... (which is almost all of them)