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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



Luke1410
5 Jul 2023  #1651

He's an atheist and uses conservative values rhetoric as long as it suits him

I'm fully on board with this point of view, the scale of the deceptive web he has spun is something to behold.

mafketis
6 Jul 2023  #1652

russia acting all..... russian-y again..... in other words... attacking civilians 1000 km from the front....

twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1676819209005805568

is there any more cowardly and disgusting country than russia in the world?

I think not!

mafketis
6 Jul 2023  #1653

russian economy strong! sanctions can't dent the mighty, mighty roub...... oops

twitter.com/MatsExtrude/status/1676862131738640384

never mind...

mafketis
6 Jul 2023  #1654

Toll in Lviv.... zero military targets (1000 km from front line, so....)

twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1676880959747096576

russia.... as primitive as can be... just blindly striking out like the savages they are....

Novichok
6 Jul 2023  #1655

This one goes into the Serves You Right A-holes folder...Quoting:

French weapons originally supplied to Ukraine have surfaced in their country of origin, and are being used by rioters to attack police, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesperson has claimed.

Maria Zakharova told a press conference on Thursday that Western countries' years-long support of radical Ukrainian nationalists has now emboldened like-minded forces on their own soil.


The only problem here is that the quote is from RT. We all know that only Russian sources cannot be trusted. Western sources are like the Holy Bible.

mafketis
6 Jul 2023  #1656

ussian sources cannot be trusted

very true...

Western sources are like the Holy Bible

not true... western sources are a very mixed bag, which is why being informed requires a keen and judgemental eye and not simply believing any particular media source

triangulation is key and not blindly believing a media outlet who's head idolizes the idea of 'total information control'.... you think she gives that up to speak to you?

Korvinus
6 Jul 2023  #1657

We all know that only Russian sources cannot be trusted.

The things said by Lavrov, Medvedev or Zakharova during last 12 months proves that it is not worthwhile to pay any attention to what Russian government says - as 'diplomacy' is only means to an end for them.

Novichok
6 Jul 2023  #1658

as 'diplomacy' is only means to an end for them.

...as opposed to Western lies. Like the Minsk agreements to buy time...Or WMDs in Iraq...Or Tonkin thingy...

Novichok
6 Jul 2023  #1659

OK, "freedom and democracy" lovers...Post two links each to Polish and British MSM editorials opposing the Polish and British government policies in Ukraine.

No, "we are not spending enough" is not "opposing" so don't give me this kind of crap...

Let me see how that freedom of expression works in Europe...

Novichok
6 Jul 2023  #1660

Quoting RT.com:

Russia 'seizes British-supplied Storm Shadow missile and hands it over to weapon specialists to learn its secrets'
Intact British-supplied missile has been seized by Russia as a 'war trophy'


That's a lie, RT. Russia doesn't have any "weapon specialists". They all left to work as Uber drivers in NYC.

pawian
6 Jul 2023  #1661

Russia doesn't have any "weapon specialists". They all left to work as Uber drivers in NYC.

That`s a wonderful effect of Western sanctions on Russia. Don`t stop, we need more of them :):):)

Quoting RT.com:

Still??? :):):) Addiction???:):):)

Novichok
6 Jul 2023  #1662

Still??? :):):) Addiction???:):):)

No. It's my private psych warfare. The quote is from dailymai.com.

Luke1410
6 Jul 2023  #1663

French weapons originally supplied to Ukraine have surfaced in their country of origin, and are being used by rioters to attack police, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesperson has claimed

Either France have been supplying Ukraine with rocks and petrol bombs or I have been seriously underestimating the scale of these riots.

Paulina
7 Jul 2023  #1664

French weapons originally supplied to Ukraine have surfaced in their country of origin, and are being used by rioters to attack police, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesperson has claimed.

Wow, that's some spectacular bullsh1t even by RuSSian standards :D

mafketis
7 Jul 2023  #1665

"freedom and democracy" lovers...

Hello, freedom and democracy hater!

What I don't understand is that you stew in your own juices and are furious and hateful at non-violent mildly despotic western governments and worship a very violent and hugely despotic government that kills people like you (if they voice their displeasure in public).

How.... does that happen? What turned you into...... I don't have a name for it so I'll just say.... What turned you into what you are?

Paulina
7 Jul 2023  #1666

OK, "freedom and democracy" lovers...Post two links each to Polish and British MSM editorials opposing the Polish and British government policies in Ukraine.

I don't know British media well enough, but here's Polish:

myslpolska.info/2022/11/16/miksa-to-nie-usa-pchaja-polske-do-konfrontacji-z-rosja/

myslpolska.info/2023/06/14/jkm-boje-sie-ze-wciagna-nas-do-wojny/

myslpolska.info/2023/05/02/marsz-pokoju-przeszedl-ulicami-warszawy/

And "Myśl Polska" isn't getting shut down for that and noone gets arrested for writing such stuff! :O

Furthermore, there was a small demonstration in Poland against Poland helping Ukraine (one of the links from "Myśl Polska" is about that protest) and Polish police didn't beat up the protestors and didn't arrest them (unlike in RuSSia and Belarus).

There was also a small, peaceful protest in Germany against sending military help to Ukraine organised by a left-wing politician and people didn't get arrested for taking part in that protest either (unlike in RuSSia and Belarus) :O

In an anti-government protest in the Czech Republic there were also slogans against sending military help to Ukraine and noone got arrested for that (unlike in RuSSia and Belarus) :O

So, what do you have to say to this, Novichok?

owned

cms neuf
7 Jul 2023  #1667

The British media generally strongly support the war - for the simple reason that any educated person can recognize that Udmurtia are aggressors, need to be stopped whatever the cost and that as a liberty loving nation the Britons are not going to let 10 million citizens of the east of Ukraine be handed over as a peace offering to live under the authority of rapists and thieves.

Putin is a Nazi and you're not gonna find any British newspaper that says otherwise.

There are the occasional op eds , generally from the left that suggest some form of negotiation. Simon Jenkins of the Guardian would be one example.

Britain has an extremely free press and on most of the major issues of the day like Covid, health, education or immigration you will find all viewpoints represented. What you won't find is somebody ready to stick up for a paranoid murderer.

Ironside
7 Jul 2023  #1668

@cms neuf
Extremely free press?
In your imagination maybe.

johnny reb
7 Jul 2023  #1669

Pence stated that if Ukraine loses this war that the U.S. will be dragged into WW3 to finish off Russia.
This will drag Poland into the war too.
Get your passports updated and your bugout supplies handy Poland.
The latest is that the U.S. will be supplying cluster bombs that have been outlawed by the Geneva Convention because they kill so many innocent people.

Russia has already been using them.

Hello, freedom and democracy hater!

PERFECT !
Captain Happy got himself a new tag.

Korvinus
7 Jul 2023  #1670

Like the Minsk agreements

Russia and 'separatists' violated each ceasefire signed under Minsk agreements. Russia never retreated its army beyond Ukraine's borders which was one of the conditions of Minsk.

Ukraine did not respond in any significant way to Russia annexing Crimea, so Russia moved to Donbas using the very same people (Girkin and his goons) that were previously used in Crimea. It was obvious that Russia will only stop devouring Ukraine if it is stopped with force.

And since "separatists" were also activated in Kharkiv and Odessa oblasts, military action became a necessity.

mafketis
7 Jul 2023  #1671

ussia and 'separatists' violated each ceasefire

RT didn't tell him so he can't believe it.

Velund
7 Jul 2023  #1672

Russia and 'separatists' violated each ceasefire signed under Minsk agreements. Russia never retreated its army beyond Ukraine's borders which was one of the conditions of Minsk.

Read Minsk II Accords in their entirety, and stop posting BS. There was roadmap of events, and Ukraine failed even to implement #1 in the list.

And since "separatists" were also activated in Kharkiv and Odessa oblasts, military action became a necessity.

So, protesting "anti-maidan" civilian activists was burned alive in Odessa Trade Union House.

BTW: Anyone participating in that massacre is known, and many of them already killed in course of SMO. But survivors will be hunted for without borders and deadlines, just like Israel hunted Black September terrorists, that killed its olympic team in 1972.

johnny reb
7 Jul 2023  #1673

232,000 Dead or Wounded Russian soldiers.
Putin, you're getting your ass kicked, give it up !
The Russian military is stalling the Ukrainian counteroffensive in the Donbas and southern Ukraine but at a terrible cost in casualties.
Russian units in the frontlines have lost approximately 20,000 men over the past four weeks and hundreds of weapon systems.
Losses are forcing the Russian military to draw units from across Russia, weakening the Kremlin's overall national security.
Those cluster and vacuum bombs the U.S. is sending to Ukraine are really going to break the Russian soldiers moral.
All this while China is preparing for war with the U.S. over Taiwan.
We're on the eve of destruction !

Velund
8 Jul 2023  #1674

Those cluster and vacuum bombs the U.S. is sending to Ukraine are really going to break the Russian soldiers moral.

1. De-facto, AFU already received cluster munitions and used it in real action. Including terror action against residental areas of Donbass cities. What happened now - its supply is oficially declared.

2. What will happen if this "new" weapons will do nothing to Russian morale, and Soviet stockpiles of cluster munitions will be put to use in responce? Duda will tell you that it is time for Polish conscripts to die for [US] democratic [party] ideals and values?

All this while China is preparing for war with the U.S. over Taiwan.

Sounds nice. China is in war with US over their own rebel province.

Almost as good as Russia is in war with US over Curland, Lifland, Estland and Kingdom of Poland.

Novichok
8 Jul 2023  #1675

The US has exactly the same reason to fight China over Taiwan as Russia over Ukraine - big fat zero.
The US has a very good reason to protect the US from the illegal hordes aka "migrants", terrorists, and drug smugglers but that's one thing the US army is not doing.

Velund
8 Jul 2023  #1676

big fat zero.

It is for ordinary US taxpayers. But MIC shareholders think differently.

johnny reb
8 Jul 2023  #1677

Soviet stockpiles of cluster munitions will be put to use in responce?

biden said today as the administration announced it will send potentially hundreds of thousands of controversial cluster munitions to fuel Ukraine's efforts to break through Russian defensive lines.

And if that doesn't do the trick, biden will send something even more deadly.
You guys are done Velund, time to go back home to your girlfriends.

johnny reb
8 Jul 2023  #1678

My question is, How can Poland be so forgiving to what Ukraine did to Poland at the end of WW2.
Remember the World War II massacres of tens of thousands of Poles by Ukrainian nationalists ?
If I was a Pole living in Poland I would tell Ukraine to get fvcked.

msn.com/en-us/news/world/poland-starts-observances-of-wwii-massacres-by-ukrainians-that-have-marred-neighborly-ties/ar-AA1dyN5H?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=b76e2993e07e4842a72821e5551fc2b8&ei=23

Velund
8 Jul 2023  #1679

How can Poland be so forgiving

Because nobody asking ordinary Poles about their sentiments, and "elite" will do anything that will be commanded from London/DC.

Paulina
8 Jul 2023  #1680

My question is, How can Poland be so forgiving to what Ukraine did to Poland at the end of WW2.

One of the reasons is, I guess, the fact that Poles took revenge to some extent for those massacres by murdering Ukrainian civillians in the same savage, f*cked up ways. So, you could say that in some gruesome, morbid way we're "even" and, so, Poles have nothing to be proud of either.

Because nobody asking ordinary Poles about their sentiments

Asking about what exactly? About helping Ukraine? There's been plenty of polls already concerning this issue and majority of Poles have been in favour of helping Ukraine and Ukrainians.


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