Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

...na ja....he tried to force our Chancellor to support him in that (our media report) but only met a stone cold wall (a polite one of course)....


Yeah....and I wonder (again) if Putin really did thought that all through before he gave the order to march into Ukraine!

NATO never really concerned Putin because he knows that it is no active threat for Russia. It only concerned him to the extent that it prevented him from subjugating other countries. Since I don't think he planned the conquest of Finland or Sweden, I'd argue that it does not really bother him.

And even if it did, he is now utterly fixated on Ukraine. Russia may suffer one geostrategic defeat after another in Europe and Asia (to the benefit of China) but for Putin it will be all worth it if Russia gets to keep some sliver of Ukrainian land in the end.

kremlin spokes-stooge peskov isn't happy about Sweden joining NATO "russia will plan the same measures as when finland joined the alliance" he said....

So we can expect a lot of coping, seething and general b!tching on social media....

Exactly - Ukraine became a point of bizarre principle for Udmurtia - "stopping NATO" - even though it will not stop NATO.

So many parallels with two other senseless colonial wars - Vietnam and Algeria. Except the loss of life for Udmurtians will be much higher due to their poor weaponry and lack of medical equipment. It's a tragedy for the young farm boys but will end with them lynching Putler

War crimes have to have victims. How about letting the "Ukrainian Children" or their parents decide if taking them from a war zone to safety is a crime?

Was killing children in Vietnam a war crime? Based on Russia haters' logic, moving a child to safety is a crime but dropping napalm and burning them alive is not. Was there a war crimes trial after Vietnam or was that napalm too "democratic" to be criminal?

I talked to many morons in my life. Polish morons are special.


Don't be a lawyer for an a-hole who already pleaded guilty. The US already admitted that their cluster bombs will kill civilians.

Zelensky is acting rather toxically, because Ukraine is not going to get a Membership Action Plan at the upcoming NATO summit.

For a while, he was saying that if Ukraine is not extended an invitation to NATO, he will not travel to Vilnius to attend the summit. Now he's saying that "we have to go to Vilnius, because this is respect, but they must also show that they respect Ukraine".

So somebody must have explained to him, that throwing a little fit and not attending the summit of an organization that supplied you with 100s of billions in aid is not a good look. However, he's not giving up on his abrasive style.

Germany and America's refusal to entertain Ukraine's entry - he called "disgusting and absurd".

I am Russian, and quite content with his behavior - but perhaps someone from your side should explain to him that it's bad policy to bite the hand that feeds.

Yes, he should be more like Putin who grovels to Iran and China like a medieval peasant.

He has his voters to think of - unlike the Udmurtian Nazis

From what I can observe, it's Putin that's making Khamenei and Xi his hostages.

1) Iran got threatened with additional EU and US sanctions for providing military aid to Russia

2) China was threatened with second level sanctions, and a pull-out of western companies if it continues to provide components to the Russian military industrial complex.

China trades with the United States to a much greater extent than Russia does, or even than China does with Russia. Russia-China trade is about $200B a year, whereas China-US trade is $600B+. China stands to lose a lot, if Russia is not successful. I think, from China's point of view we actually spoiled a bunch of their plans.

It's hard to argue that Moscow is being puppeted by Beijing, when it's Moscow that is dragging Beijing into a crazy Russian-style confrontation that is totally alien to their Chinese sensibilities.

He is good. I wish we had politicians like him rather then that bunch.

Of course you like the politician who is rude to foreign allies that have pumped his country full of money.

This is certainly one aspect of Polish-Ukrainian Brotherhood.

He get his point acorss and get things done , kissing their boots wouldn't do the trick. You don't like him and that is why you are saying it.

You know he is good, does it annoy you?

Debatable. A Russian defeat would make Russia wholly subordinate and dependable on Russia for the forseeable future and open possibilities for China in Siberia and former Soviet Republics in the far East.

Well... good in all the ways that eventually lead to further harm to his country.

But yes, he's proven a rather annoying opponent. It was obvious already from his "Servant of the People" (available on Netflix) series that he's quite good at reading "the people". As an entertainer, and through the people he has surrounded himself with, he has run circles around us Russians in the information sphere - where we persist to do things very clumsily.

Then, we hoped his circus-style approach to foreign policy, with the tea shirts and sneakers, would eventually wear thin - but it turns out the West enjoys being humiliated and extorted.

He's definitely turned out to be a lot worse than Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, Tyagnibok, and the rest of the Maidan gang - though the hope initially was that his election was a return to sanity after the complete discreditation of the former.

Exactly! _His_ country! Not yours! Get your filthy russian mits off of Ukraine!

What is _wrong_ with you that you fail to understand such a simple concept.

He's not the problem.... russia is.

Whatever part of it he ends up controlling, perhaps.

The US (leaving the rest of NATO outside the brackets), lost about 4,500 killed in Iraq and about 2,500 in Afghanistan. Tens of thousands wounded, and more than a hundred thousand suffering from effects of PTSD.

By the most conservative estimates, 4,500 NATO-origin fighters have died in Ukraine. The leading country for losses amongst these is Poland.

In other words, NATO countries have managed to lose 4.5k of some of their most motivated and experienced fighters, in a conflict where their forces represent less than 1% of the forces present.

This is beyond puppeting - Ukraine is an obvious proxy war. People talking here about China and Iran controlling Russia, and nobody is discussing that the West is de-facto using Ukraine to weaken Russia.

Very silly.

Ho be copin'!


A good and noble goal that benefits all of humankind... even russians if they weren't too narcissistic to realize it....

Yes, an Indonesian just stopped me in the street and asked "when is Russia going to fall apart?".


Yes. This is why Kenya and Sudan daily send thanks to Warsaw for their principled stand in this conflict. Malaysia watches - breathless - whether or not the counteroffensive will succeed.

Sure they do talk about, but it doesn't have impact you hope for.

By the way Trump talking how he could finish that war in five minutes show himslef to be even biggen egomanic then I have thought him to be.

Yeah no, you cant just make up stuff to make the Russian losses seem more worthwhile.

The West did not use fictional Russian special forces that had supposedly been killed to justify it's losses in Afghanistan.

The Russian army is getting ground down by an enemy it considered far beneath it. What is left after the war will take several years, if not decades to recover.

Wake me up when NATO jets engage the Russian airforce and air defence.

And when US Sixth Fleet starts sinking the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

Then we can talk about Russia fighting NATO.

It is.And it will succeed because Russians are too stupid to understand common sense.

Is Germany insane? It takes one rocket and 1 second to destroy anything.

German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall will open a tank and armored vehicle plant in Ukraine within the next 12 weeks, CEO Armin Papperger has told CNN. The company claims it will be able to produce 400 tanks per year at the facility, but Russia has already threatened to halt production with missile strikes.

Supply your current political elite with enough cocaine and appoint them crash courses of playing piano with a dick... And everything will change Ukrainian way. ;)

Better to build them themselves than always having to beg the West for delivery of their leftovers....

It's a sensible change of strategy and acceptance of the possibility of a longer, drawn out conflict:

....Rheinmetall may not be alone in seeing its military hardware produced in Ukraine. In May, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky said his nation was working with British-based BAE Systems to set up a Ukrainian base to both produce and repair weapons from tanks to artillery, Reuters also first reported.....

19fortyfive.com/2023/07/putin-is-angry-german-tank-maker-to-open-facility-in-ukraine/


I can only guess Rheinmetally already thought about that....there are possibilities to build and work underground and what not.

I seem to recall that the CEO of Rheinmetall said in a previous interview that they would use reinforced concrete for the building and cover it with a Skyranger system. That should do the trick. The Russians have a poor record at hitting anything else than civilian buildings in any case.

very true.....

....Rheinmetall isn't stupid....they even already narrowed the production place (western Ukraine).....they must know that such a factory will be a prime target!

Worst case scenario, the Russians divert a lot of ressources in order to destroy it, and the factory just gets build elsewhere. If it is true that it'll only take 3 months, then this should not be much of an issue. At least in this scenario, rockets that would have killed civilians would have been used at a building.

.....why not just outside the country? Near the border, in a NATO country??? Russia couldn't attack the factory there and the tanks could be easily moved into Ukraine....

humiliation..... even the idiotic russian government knows it would be letting itself into a lot of hurt if it directly attacked a German concern....

russia will steam and seete and rage and paint themselves as victims (like always) but do nothing.... another red line for them to back down over.