Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

The most important thing for most members....Article 5!

Supporting Ukraine is still more or less voluntary....and most of its support stems from a bad conscience, it had been NATO members who convinced Ukraine to give up their best defense, their nukes, and who had voted against a NATO membership before...more or less opening the way for Putin to try things.

On February 23, 2022 russia said it had no intention to ever invade Ukraine.... (although it already invaded 8 years previously)

Anyone who believes russian promises or assurances is a dope. End of.....

In 1990, NATO said it would not expand toward Russia.

Anyone who believes the US is a dope. End of...


Did you find any RT lies?

Special Operations Forces of Ukrainian snipers are killing Rusky's at distances of up to 2 kilometres
They never even hear the shot.

Ho be doin' that for me! Check this....



Ho be stone cold lyin'!

Did you find any RT lies? How about a link to RT, not me?
A typical Russia-hating moron who didn't spend a second reading RT, saying bs hoping that it will stick.
On the plus side, you are all the same.

Ho think I'm ho's secretry?

Ho got another think comin'!

Ukraine has rolled back six months of RuSSia's gains in just five weeks.
Quoting:
Despite their battlefield difficulties, Ukrainian forces have continued to advance. Ukraine's general staff said its forces seized 4sq km (1.8sq miles) over the previous week around the eastern city of Bakhmut. That would bring to 162sq km (63sq miles) the territory Ukraine claims to have recaptured since its counteroffensive began on June 4.

Top Russian generals killed, fired, disappeared after aborted Wagner mutiny
Could Putin be next ?

Yes - not long for him now. The army are waiting for their moment but need to time it before the troops mutiny. Unpaid, underfed, not rotated and despised by the local population - it won't be long

Then we can start to read about how the head honchos of the troll farms are working cleaning toilets or in McDonalds in a1990s stasi stylee

I'm not so sure....if it's true what more and more media report, that the Russian soldiers are acting under the influence of amphetamines and other narcotic substances, then there will be no mutiny....quite the contrary:

- higher performance levels
- lowered feelings of pain/exhaustion
- raised indifference to one's own and other people's lives
- easier cruelty

....but no brain left for mutiny! For that a clear mind is needed, not a drugged, muddled one....look to Hitler's armies for an example how that works!

Who elected you as class president to be shouting orders around here.
Russian military leaders are at each other's throats amid continued losses in the Ukraine war.
Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has been accused of treason by a general in the Russian military claiming he was fired for raising concerns.
Another top general who supported Yevgeny Prigozhin has reportedly been detained.
Putin is losing control.

youtube.com/watch?v=J_UWafVKjLw


Now read Article 5 in their entirety, by reading source text, and figure out what NATO members is really obligated to do. And then compare with what you expected.

Not really, this is the NATO statement regarding Ukraine membership:
We fully support Ukraine's right to choose its own security arrangements. Ukraine's future is in NATO. We reaffirm the commitment we made at the 2008 Summit in Bucharest that Ukraine will become a member of NATO, and today we recognise that Ukraine's path to full Euro-Atlantic integration has moved beyond the need for the Membership Action Plan.

From:nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_217320.htm

Zelensky wants some kind of more guaranteed membership confirmed, even if it isn't immediate, while NATO has kind of kept the same stance it has already had. That NATO welcomes Ukraine joining but it needs to follow a process and NATO can't guarantee future membership at this time since it is condition based.

I understand why Zelensky would want a guarantee at this point though. He is concerned about Ukrainian NATO membership being a bargaining chip in the eventual peace agreement, while he views NATO membership as the only real solid guarantee against future Russian aggression.

I don't think there was ever a realistic chance of Ukraine being granted confirmed membership now, even if it were time delayed until the conclusion of the war. I expect Ukraine will join NATO quickly following the end of the war, though.

If it were up to me I would grant Ukraine membership now and have NATO immediately join the war under article 5 and begin strikes on Russian forces and infrastructure until Russia leaves all Ukrainian territory (wouldn't take more than two weeks, maybe even just 3 days), but that just isn't realistic given how many countries in NATO don't want to get involved in a direct war with Russia.

Nice try, kutasek...You forgot that I can run circles around you and the rest of PF RT haters...

If you bothered to look at the article you just quoted me quoting from:

rt.com/news/579534-foreign-mercenaries-in-ukraine/

...you would know that it was written by Rachel Marsden, not RT.

To be sure that it is clear, RT added this disclaimer:

The statements, views, and opinions expressed in this column are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RT.

That's what honest publishers do. Duh!!! They name sources! Duh!!!! It is Western scumbags pretending to be journalists that say: "Sources report..." meaning: I pulled it out of my ass.

My friendly and very sincere advice to you: Don't screw with me. You are not good enough and you will lose every single time.

I think it will be in slightly different order... NATO will quickly follow Project Ukraine, and this will end the war. ;)

for RT you old fool..... and it's all lies... and a disclaimer from RT don't change that, fool....

just never mention RT again... it's completely irrelevant to me, if you enjoy it have a ball, just don't expect me to pay attention to it

my twitter feed gives me more accurate information and faster

I wonder how the Russians will react if NATO really tries to expand further east. The Cuban Missile Crisis comes to mind, and any attempt of Ukraine to involve NATO directly would cross a line in the sand and probably result in a nuclear attack. People here seem to be willing to take that risk. Kinda crazy.

Has it tweeted this yet ?
biden's corruption led to Ukraine's destruction: fmr. Kiev diplomat

mate.substack.com/p/bidens-corruption-led-to-ukraines

The chance about that becoming truly a bargaining chip in future peace negotiations is high though, Zelensky fears that correctly.

On the other hand NATO (and the West) made that error already before with Crimea (and Ukrainian nukes), counting to much on Russia and not enough listening to Ukraine, and see what it got them...

Curious, Biden just authorized up to 3,000 reservists being called up to support the US effort to support Ukraine.

It is probably just to rotate some of the active duty logistics units that have been supporting the effort off of it, but maybe it does indicate an increased volume of aid being sent. Or that more manpower is needed to process it for some other reason.

Another possibility is that it could be to increase the size and scope of the US/NATO provided training effort.

whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/07/13/ordering-the-selected-reserve-and-certain-members-of-the-individual-ready-reserve-of-the-armed-forces-to-active-duty/

there's a long history of doping up soldiers to inhibit fear..... hardly new

but again... russia doesn't know what it's trying to achieve which puts it at an advantage (as does the incredibly high level of negative selection in the russian military)

russia has no hopes of taking Kyiv or Odesa....

as is true of terrible leaders everywhere, putain had no plan B because he didn't think he needed one.

and Ukrainian civilians are once more paying the price for russian imperial hubris.... what a stinking rotten country russia is, just no redeeming features whatsoever....

nothing new there... a corrupt person and old talking points....

here's a big clue: anyone who refers to the events at Maidan as a "coup" has no idea what they're talking about and pretty much everything they say can be discounted....

I've actually looked for pro-russian/anti-Ukrainian viewpoints that don't lie all the time or just repeat RT talking points.... and failed (and/or I was banned after pointing out blatant deceptions).

But I can't remember the last time I saw something from any traditional news source that I didn't already know (sometimes days earlier) from twitter....

But russia had a refereeennnndum!!!!!!!

According to russian volunteer in occupied Ukraine, 70% (or more) of the local population hate russians and are constantly leaking information to the Ukrainian military.... and they're speaking (western) Ukrainian and don't want any part of 'russkij mir'.......

Oddly the russian who admits all of this still refers to the area as 'russia' and the idea that maybe russia should leave never seems to enter his mind.....

twitter.com/adnashmyash/status/1679534127534465027

Putin has strong public support to continue fighting in Ukraine because the Russian people see the war as an existential battle with NATO and the collective West for the future of Russia itself.

The Russia people believe Russia is being ganged up on because of its determination to protect and defend its own national interest.
Just ask Velund.
Latest Twitter.......
Pro-Ukrainians and vocal Russia critics have shared several clips circulating on Twitter and Telegram suggesting Voronezh - a city located 300 km east of Ukraine's border with Belgorod - is "under attack".

Isn't that where there is a nuclear plant ?

According to Vlad Vexler (himself russian) the real breakdown is 15-20 % liberals (against the war but with no public voice) 15-20% vatniks (support the war and think putain isn't pursuing it hard enough) 60-70 % apolitical blob that is neither against or for the war but simply repeats whatever the government tells it to...


Rumors started on generalsvr months ago about a possible kremlin plan to fake a 'terrorist' attack at a russian nuclear facility as a face-saving way to withdraw troops from Ukraine (an exit ramp with promises to 'return and finish the job' that will never be kept).

quick correction... IIRC the fake terror attack was being planned for Krasnodar IIRC maybe they decided to move it further from the Ukraine border? If that's what this is....

Another proof that I am a genius...How many times did I say THAT? Quoting RT - the best news organization on the globe...

NATO can't exist without an enemy - Russian diplomat
The US-led alliance constantly creates confrontation, a deputy foreign minister said

NATO needs enemies so it can justify its existence, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Aleksandr Grushko said on Thursday, commenting on the Western bloc's recent meeting in Lithuania.

"Expansion is one of the instruments used by NATO countries to maintain confrontation," Grushko told Russia's Channel One. "Therefore, unfortunately, history has forced us to conclude that NATO cannot exist without an adversary. Otherwise, it would lose all meaning."

It's all about NATO, Russia-hating a-holes. Ukraine is disposable like Tampax.

It's all about the unprovoked russian invasion of Ukraine, NATO hating a-holes. Shills wsho support russian aggression are as disposable as a used Depend adult diaper....

He is right! NATO was on its way out....if Putin would be as smart as we Germans took him for he just would have needed to wait abit longer, keeping NATO without an enemy and watch it slowly fading out!

Not even Germany took it seriously anymore, never fulfilling its obligations, letting it's army detoriate...who needs NATO???

Putin's invasion of Ukraine was the best and most unexpected revival since the end of the Cold War....Thank You?