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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6



amiga500
18 Jul 2023  #1921

Truth hurts cms

Youre making the mistake of taking the EU parliament seriously, no-one else does, especially someone who looks like an homeless irish alcoholic in a pink dress..

was also in the prophecies of St. Paisius....

I'll bite, was it the rebirth of Constantinople under Russian rule and driving the turks into the sea?

cms neuf
18 Jul 2023  #1922

I don't blame those guys for staying on the beach and watching the guy die. After all America invaded Vietnam in 1963

mafketis
18 Jul 2023  #1923

I don't blame those guys ... After all America invaded Vietnam

Mind officially blown....

amiga500
18 Jul 2023  #1924

good summary re stalled offensive from one of the military tactics gurus fresh from the frontline, along with rob lee and michael koffman and a polish dude twitter.com/HoansSolo/status/1681240795213332480

Bobko
18 Jul 2023  #1925

along with rob lee and michael koffman and a polish dude

These are the people to read. They can be objective.

Franz-Stefan Gady is an Austrian analyst, and the Polish guy is Konrad Muzyka. They have been very pessimistic about this offensive for a very long time.

Novichok
18 Jul 2023  #1926

Episode 2 of The Bridge clearly was not meant to make Russia reconsider and go home. The US wouldn't leave Iraq, either, under similar conditions.

The only explanation that makes sense is that it was an attempt to provoke Russia into a response that would ignite the level of holy indignation among "free nations" and low IQ volunteers at least equal in intensity to what Iraqi "WMDs" and Kuwaiti "babies thrown out of incubators" did before to get those two wars going.

mafketis
18 Jul 2023  #1927

Episode 2 of The Bridge clearly was not meant to make Russia reconsider and go home

It's meant to trap people (esp soldiers) so they can only leave Crimea by coming into range of Ukrainian fire.....

Novichok
18 Jul 2023  #1928

Washington CNN -

The US and Europe are struggling to provide Ukraine with the large amount of ammunition it will need for a prolonged counteroffensive against Russia, and Western officials are racing to ramp up production to avoid shortages on the battlefield that could hinder Ukraine's progress.


What the article doesn't say is that the US doesn't need artillery ammo since neither Canada, China, Mexico, nor Russia has the intention or capability to invade the US.

Europe, the continent that invented and can produce everything, can make its own shells, artillery, and tanks and spend less on migrant social programs.

cms neuf
18 Jul 2023  #1929

We can spend on migrant programs and ammo. Or whatever our voters want. That's because Europe is full of rich democracies.

Poor dictatorships like Udmurtia, pillaged by its own rulers for decades, will never have those possibilities

Novichok
18 Jul 2023  #1930

We can spend on migrant programs and ammo.

Good. Do it.

Why is Z running low on artillery ammo with your ammo-producing capabilities?

From CNN:

The dwindling supply of artillery ammunition has served as a wake-up call to NATO, US and Western officials told CNN, since the alliance did not adequately prepare for the possibility of a protracted land war in Europe following decades of relative peace.

You are badly misinformed, cymes.

amiga500
19 Jul 2023  #1931

very pessimistic about this offensive for a very long time.

No just realistic, anyway as kofman said, the first month did not go to plan, that does not determine the next month or three. wapo describes it a lot better than i could, basically this combined arms nato tactics takes years to master, and the ukris are doing the right thing, advancing slowly.

Western officials and analysts say Ukraine's military has so far embraced an attrition-based approach aimed largely at creating vulnerabilities in Russian lines by firing artillery and missiles at command, transport and logistics sites at the rear of the Russian position, instead of conducting what Western military officials call "combined arms" operations that involve coordinated maneuvers by large groups of tanks, armored vehicles, infantry, engineers, artillery and, sometimes, air power.

Ukraine's military leaders argue that, lacking air power, they must avoid unnecessary losses against an adversary with a far larger pool of recruits and weaponry. To preserve manpower, Ukraine has fielded just four of a dozen trained brigades in the current campaign.

"We cannot use meat-grinder tactics as the Russians do," Oleksii Reznikov, Ukraine's defense minister, said in an interview. "For us, the most precious thing is the lives and health of our soldiers. That is why our task is to achieve success at the front while protecting lives."

Analysts say Ukrainian attempts to breach Russian defenses with armored units early in the offensive were met with overwhelming attacks by artillery, antitank missiles, loitering munitions and helicopter fire, generating significant losses. Ukrainian officials say Russia is especially quick to fire on armored vehicles and anti-mine equipment such as the Mine Clearing Line Charge (MICLIC) when they press forward.

As a result, Ukrainian commanders have embraced more low-profile advances involving groups of 15 to 50 people on foot, said Kateryna Stepanenko, a Russia analyst at the Institute for the Study of War. Some are sappers who advance on their bellies to find and disable enemy mines. Other infantry teams lie in wait with surface-to-air missiles to take down Russian helicopters.

washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/07/18/ukraine-counter-offensive-weapons-tactics/

cms neuf
19 Jul 2023  #1932

Udmurtia's front will collapse gradually then all at once - unpaid, badly fed, far from their girls and no idea what they are fighting for, at some point they will just put down those Tsarist era rifles and walk back to their crappy wooden shacks in Omsk.

Bobko
19 Jul 2023  #1933

unpaid, badly fed, far from their girls and no idea what they are fighting for

You think Ukrainians are:

1) Paid well
2) Well-fed
3) Close to their girls
4) Have a clear idea what they are fighting for

???

I'll put it this way - you don't have to be from Lvov, for the problems of Donetsk to seem otherworldly. Let alone, be from some foreign land.

You could be from a neighboring village in the Donetsk oblast, and still feel utterly torn from your home, family, and customary routine.

In most respects, this war must be bewildering to the people involved.

cms neuf
19 Jul 2023  #1934

In each case yes - they have an advantage over the pig ignorant farm boys in the Udmurtian army

There are not many things that I would fight for. But keeping my kids home safe, not having all my stuff stolen and not having the women in my house raped or murdered are things that I would pick up a gun for.

Bobko
19 Jul 2023  #1935

they have an advantage over the pig ignorant farm boys in the Udmurtian army

I wish that one day you may have the opportunity
to explore Ukraine with your own eyes.

keeping my kids home safe, not having all my stuff stolen and not having the women in my house raped or murdered

Colorful statements/cheap bravado aside... you could more easily secure each one of these items by pursuing a more diplomatic/clever approach to dealing with the Russians. Right up until February 24th, 2022.

Having your kids hurt, your stuff stolen, and your wife raped - is more than tangentially related to gleefully holding up the middle finger to Russia instead of sitting down for a serious discussion.

Really, however, I know I am wasting my time with these arguments. Everything will be interpreted in the most distorted possible way, through some Disney lens borrowed from Snow White or the Lion King. So assured are you of your moral superiority, that even such a simple argument will never register with you - even in the most superficial sense. And so, we will continue hating each other, until one day we finally have the chance at killing each other outright.

Until then, let's continue slinging poison at each other to bring that day closer.

Lenka
19 Jul 2023  #1936

is more than tangentially related to gleefully holding up the middle finger to Russia instead of sitting down for a serious discussion.

No, it's due to Russian not accepting Ukraine doesn't want to be their buddy anymore.

You think Ukrainians are:

4- hard not to know when a foreign army enters your country.

Plus attacking army always has to be stronger to win.

cms neuf
19 Jul 2023  #1937

I have been to Ukraine, and many times to Udmurtia

I don't need my eyes opened - the thieving, murder and rape is well documented.

And there is no point negotiating with Putin - he would not keep his word and his stated aim is to reconquer Ukraine

mafketis
19 Jul 2023  #1938

Having your kids hurt, your stuff stolen, and your wife raped - is more than tangentially related to gleefully holding up the middle finger to Russia

Again with the threats.... a russian once told me that outsiders have no idea how violent everyday russians are at ground level... even as a child had had knives pulled on him (and witnessed fist fights on public transport).... they seem incapable of engaging in any kind of discussion without resorting to the 'I'ma hurt you!' card....

ussian not accepting Ukraine doesn't want to be their buddy anymore

Collective narcissistic wound...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_injury

Luke1410
19 Jul 2023  #1939

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/battleground-ukraine/id1617276298

Episode #70 is an interesting inside take on the cyber war.

Velund
19 Jul 2023  #1940

No, it's due to Russian not accepting Ukraine doesn't want to be their buddy anymore.

NATO was so upset about some misunderstanding and clashes between Serbs and Albanians (migrants that was allowed to enter Kosovo during Tito times and now pretend to this land as their own). It was declared ethnical cleanising and Serbia was bombed and Kosovo secessed.

Putin told that time that Pandora box is open...

When Donbass reacted to Kiev Maidan coup and declared that Donbass doesn't want to be banderite' buddy anymore, Donetsk was bombed (I already posted that video - first firing missiles from AFU plane to residental blocks of Donetsk, totally imprecise). Why you expect something too much different from what's happened in Kosovo case? Yes, Russians believe that it was acts of genocide against Russian majority in Donbass population. And Odessa massacre became a point of no return.

Whatever1410
19 Jul 2023  #1941

Donetsk was bombed (I already posted that video - first firing missiles fro

And it will believed in Russia until it's intelligence agency and military admits to their shenanigans to pull their country out of that Schozofrenia.

Just like with Germans, fully believing that the allies attacked them in 1939 until end of ww2

cms neuf
19 Jul 2023  #1942

Putin has chickened out of going to South Africa and old liver face Lavrov is going instead. Relief all round and I'm sure he now knows he will never leave Udmurtia again, except when his generals send him to the Hague in chains.

Novichok
19 Jul 2023  #1943

except when his generals send him to the Hague in chains.

...because Putin stupidly relocated ukids to safety.
If he had any brains, he would drop agent orange and napalm on them and be as safe and as admired as the US presidents.

mafketis
19 Jul 2023  #1944

If he had any brains, he would

If he had any brains he wouldn't have invaded in the first place... but here are, the biggest political mistake in... how many decades?

And there's nothing wrong with agent orange and napalm.... didn't lots of people get burned alive in the Inquisition?

Novichok
19 Jul 2023  #1945

If he had any brains he wouldn't have invaded in the first place..

Putin learned this from the mostly peaceful US presidents: Invade first and look for a reason later. Oops...no reason...Sorry about it and a million dead...

In this context, Putin is a boy scout and has ways to go...

mafketis
19 Jul 2023  #1946

the mostly peaceful US presidents: Invade first

US invading Iraq and Afghanistan are okay because Germany invaded russia (so did France but who's counting?)

Please return to the topic of the thread

cms neuf
19 Jul 2023  #1947

I think this was the conference where Udmurtia and the other foot stamping third world "strongmen" we're going to talk about their new currency - and what an enticing prospect that will be for investors when one of the members is threatening another with war.

I wonder what they will call this new POS currency ? The swag ? The bric sh1thouse ? LOL

Lavrov will be there begging money from these jokers

johnny reb
19 Jul 2023  #1948

Facing possibly being arrested Putin will not attend the Summit in Africa.
Putin won't attend a summit with leaders from Brazil, India, China and South Africa in Johannesburg next month resolving a dilemma for the host country, which would have been obliged to arrest the Russian leader under an international warrant.

Alien
19 Jul 2023  #1949

Putin won't attend

send Medvedev, maybe they'll arrest him.

mafketis
19 Jul 2023  #1950

With allies like russia.... why does a country need back-stabbing traitors?

Last night, russia attack the port in Odesa and destroyed 60,000 tons of agricultural products destined for China....

Since Xi is a little b)tch he won't do anything about it.

twitter.com/liveukraine2022/status/1681745999813828614

could russia sink any lower? probably... probably a lot.... russia is giving up its basic humanity in its fanatical hatred of Ukrainians....


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