Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 6

When NATO has an active war on its border it creates a security threat. Not to mention all those war crimes. So yes, intervention to stop the killing made sense. And Yugoslavia was dead anyway, nobody except the Serbs wanted the federal state to continue.

Balkans is also the West's immediate neighbourhood, it's actually closer to Western Europe than Russia (basically next to Italy). It was the West that would have to deal with countless waves of refugees if the war was allowed to fester.

Putin pulled out of grain deal.

Zelensky said he's gonna carry on with it anyway.

Putin destroyed Odessa's port facilities.

Shortly after, Polish agriculture minister says that if EU does not extend moratorium on Ukrainian grain imports after it expires on September 15th - Poland will unilaterally close the borders with Ukraine.

Where is the grain supposed to go now?

Black Market.
Poles will be getting it cheaper than ever.

Quoting RT:

Europe's black hole: How much of the more than $185 billion given by the West to Ukraine has been stolen?
The fate of huge amounts of aid sent to the country is uncertain amid endemic corruption and a lack of accountability.

OK, all-knowing PF experts...How much was stolen? My bet is 50%. What is yours?

Quoting the best news org on Planet Earth:

Russia launches massive missile strikes on Ukraine
Moscow has ramped up long-range strikes against the country in the aftermath of a Ukrainian attack on the Crimean Bridge

Russia launched a massive cruise missile and suicide-drone barrage on targets in Ukraine overnight, the country's Defense Ministry said on Wednesday. Military infrastructure, fuel depots, weapon stockpiles, and an airbase were among the targets identified by the Russian military in its daily briefing.

Being the perfect contrarian, my bet is that it was Russia that attacked the Bridge again to give Putin a chance to hit back and get his approval up from 98% to 99%. Without Episode 2 of The Bridge, what Russia did just now would look mean.

If Episode 2 of The Bridge was a Western creation, I have a new definition of my favorite word - moron.

Moron (def.) - a person who thought that attacking the Bridge again will make Russia say: Sorry, we were wrong. We are going home and the war is over.

The RT readers offer these explanations for Episode 2 of The Bridge. You be the judge...

Ukraine now has to ask itself, are these terror attacks worth it? Are they worth the response from Russia? Attack Crimea some more and find out...

Ukraine is trying to bait Russia into doing something that will ( they hope ) bring NATO in to save their butts as nothing else will. So basically those doing it don't care and wish for more. Russia needs to hit Ukraine hard and get this stupidity over with.

I don't understand - why isn't Russia striking these kinds of targets anyhow instead of waiting for an attack on their soil first?

Sounds like the Russians started the mower.

Time Russia used the US playbook "We had to destroy the town in order to save it"

The last one reminds us about Vietnam.

No you're not.... your positions are the conventional set for disaffected rightwing people who've given up on the west and want a big daddy dictator to feed them....

A true contrarian has a diverse set of beliefs that don't fit into any particular political niche...


Nothing wrong with Vietnam... after all the CCCP meddled in Angola....

And supported and fought in North Vietnam and also got their butts kicked out of Afghanistan.
Once Putin is out of the picture (and hopefully soon) this war will end with russia being humiliated again.


Do you honestly think this will happen ? I don't.

They are planning to back it with gold, sounds like a good idea if they could get it up and running, and I think the West will be forced to respond with something similar.

youtube.com/watch?v=UNoZZAojwSw

Gold reserves by country, Germany and France packing some serious gold!

Okay... everybody pretty much accepts that the Euro doesn't work very well because of the very different economies and fiscal policies of different European countries (like Germany and Italy, for example).

But somehow.... countries with extremely different economies and fiscal policies like russia, Brazil, China, India and South Africa could make a common currency work?

pull the other one...

What do you mean? It's already happening. The Poles are just saying that if the EU lets the current moratorium lapse on Sept. 15th, without putting in place some new protection for Polish farmers - then Poland will simply close its border to Ukrainian grain without consulting with anyone.

Did you miss PiS pooping in its pants because farmers got upset?

I'm just curious - what's Ukraine gonna do with all the grain? Can't ship out by sea, can't take it out by rail or truck in the Polish direction. Are they gonna start trucking it to Romania or Hungary, and then onwards?

The benefit of Poland was it provided a sort of short route to the Baltic ports. I wonder why Romania, or Bulgaria - with their ports on the Black Sea were not considered, however. Anyway - life in Ukraine is already not fun, and now it became a little harder still.

russians are incapable of true joy and take pleasure only in inflicting pain on others... very good example!

I've also heard of a plan to use the territorial waters of Romania and Bulgaria and Turkey which would mean if russia attacks the ships they're attacking NATO.... wanna cross that line pidorki?

So do ships teleport out of Ukrainian ports directly into Romanian waters? For you to be safe in NATO territorial waters, you have to get there first.

In any case, hugging the Ukrainian coast, and staying in as shallow waters as possible - does promise some benefits to the Ukrainians. Russian submarines will be easier to detect, while anti-ship missiles will struggle to acquire locks on Ukrainian ships due to numerous clutter. Russian navy, if not relying on torpedoes launched from stand-off ranges by submarines, will have to get close enough to use cannons. Flying bombing missions would be most likely difficult due to serious AA presence around Odessa.

Back on subject - as far as this grain deal is concerned - there's no problem with using any other infrastructure. You can send trucks laden with grain to Romania all day, and then put them on a ship there - and Putin won't do a thing. However, that's not happening, and is why I'm curious.

It could be that Romanian and Bulgarian ports do not have the necessary capacity, on top of having to process their own countries' commodity exports.

I really don't know. Attaching photos of Odessa Port's Grain Terminal, which Zelensky was planning to use to show Erdogan and the world that Putin can be ignored. Also some smoking rail terminals.

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In general - I find Poland's behavior very amusing.

1) We'll give Ukraine as many weapons as it needs - so long as the West replaces everything we give with newer and more expensive kit.

2) We'll help the Ukrainians get their grain out, so long as it doesn't impact our farmers in any way.

3) We'll lecture everybody about strangling Russia's economy, but we will continue to buy from them the coal and gas we need.

4) We'll take in Ukrainian refugees, but only if Brussels stops extorting us by withholding development packages.

It makes me a little bit embarrassed for Slavs. Some Canadian or Spaniard, with no clue re: where Ukraine is on the map, is more selfless in his or her charity towards Ukraine than the supposed "brothers".

Maybe this is why we're always in the sh!t. We believe in unity, solidarity, brotherhood etc right up until it begins affecting us.

The problem of Ukraine is that all the people that could fix that country have already left. The reason corruption in Ukraine is reaching such stratospheric levels during the war, is because many of these crooked bureaucrats and businessmen no longer tie their future to Ukraine.

They are approaching the point where Poles were when they were washing toilets in Paris and London. Except, because they are stupid Ukrainians, instead of using this opportunity to find work anywhere in the EU - and at least clean toilets of civilized people - they decided it's fine to clean Polish toilets for 3,000 zlotys.

Slavs have some flaws when it comes to caring for the collective, over your own home. As former serfs that never owned anything, Russians may be the exception to this amongst Slavs. Communal/collective thinking is big with us.

We Russians even have an aphorism, which we believe describes the entire Ukrainian approach to life: «моя хата с краю» - or, "my house is on the end of the street". Meaning, what happens to my neighbor, even if his house is burning - is not my problem. They must have learned this from the Poles.

Udmurtians lecturing us about Slav unity and corruption ?

I heard it all now

In next weeks episode, Udmurtians advise Italians on how to cook and French on how to play football.

Stick to making amateur **** - it's the only thing Udmurtia is a world leader in

Hehehehe! I try.

...other than being first in Space, having the fastest fighter planes, and the best chess players...as well as the misfortune of meeting Polish mindless Russia haters on an American forum, with said haters dishing out insults just to say something - even if totally stupid and disconnected from facts.

Almost forgot about that subway you have to go to Moscow to see and admire...

Hey, Bobko, it looks like I am better at advocating for Russia than you...

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Well if we are talking about Udmurtia's achievements in the 1960s lets not forget the remarkable, not at all drug assisted, performances of your athletes, or your preteen gymnasts.

And the world's tastiest sprats.

And I find this behavior very mature. Hundreds of years of coexistence with the Jewish minority seem to be finally paying off.

It is genius. Poland looks like a saint, while doing it with other people's money. In the case of weapons, Poland actually became stronger by dumping on Ukraine legacy equipment in exchange for replacements.

These Poles, I tell you - not so simple as they seem.

If only, that would be great. Sadly we spend on those a-holes 2 % GDP and they still ask for more.
Show results kicking Muscovites ass.

Germans are not much better...Quoting RT - the best news org on the planet:

Russia could target proposed German tank plant in Ukraine - Foreign Ministry

Building a tank plant - 6 months. Destroying a tank plant - 6 minutes. That B/D ratio is very high and really bad for building...

...3 months, the CEO said....and I can't believe he hasn't thought about that B/D ratio also!

They, you? will build it in Lithuania, all that BS is a ruse to not let Poland make a penny on German tanks as we pulled out of the deal and not going to buy your junk.

....our "junk"? :)

Historically speaking - Leopard not very successful tank.

Conflicts it has been used in:

1) Kosovo
2) Afghanistan
3) Syria
4) Ukraine

In the first two, it essentially had no role to play. In Syria, it did not perform well at all, where ISIS destroyed and captured well over two dozen leopards from the Turks.

In Ukraine it has shown itself again as certainly not "invulnerable".

The American and British tanks - since they have not been used - can still claim to be super weapons. The Germans, not so much.

Well, so called German quality, half of it is a myth. Don't you know?

...that the US needs as much as I need an extra arm. Or the third kidney...Or a personal bazooka...

Even the best weapon system is vulnerable if the operators are amateurs. Tanks are so last century anyway. Who needs that crap if you can have missiles?

The quoted text below is about the war as much as it is about RT as the best news organization on Planet Earth.
I am posting it as a challenge to the Russia and RT haters to find anything that could be considered Russian propaganda.

Earlier in the day, the Ukrainian military claimed to have intercepted five cruise missiles and 13 kamikaze drones out of 19 missiles and an equal number of UAVs, which it claimed were launched by Russian forces at Odessa and Nikolaev. The Russian ministry offered few details about the munitions used, only stating that they were "precision naval-launched and air-launched weapons."

Russia has been targeting Ukrainian port cities every night since Monday. Odessa Mayor Gennadiy Trukhanov described the barrage on Wednesday morning as the largest he had seen since hostilities between the two nations broke out in February last year.

If you can't locate "propaganda", don't feel stupid. It's not there.


That's why they are being given away by the mostly peaceful Western "democracies".
I am still waiting for an explanation why the US needs tanks and artillery to defend the country. From whom? China? Russia? How about Mexico?