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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



Novichok
1 Feb 2024  #601

Udmurtian views now remarkably similar to the Nazis

Name the top three views...

Ironside
1 Feb 2024  #602

You have no idea what you're talking about:-D

You of course know what you are talking about because you are a seer, you made that clear.
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anti-democratic policies

Does that even mean anything? Do you mean is not set according to 'liberal democracy' standards in other countries? Hmm.. I am not sure about it, seems it is mostly the same with two major differences, they are more 'right-wing' and there set there by Hungrains for Hungarian setting precedence in Eastern Europe that are supposed to follow blindly 'norms' from the West and at the same time take as their own all left-wing idiotic policies that west cherish so much, on the top of opening their market to the foreign corporations.

Is that the model you love? Seems to me you are a seer but paid by those corporations if you are not paid you are another fool.

One more to quote your words:
liquidation of almost all opposition media, rampant cronyism in nominations to all posts, including theoretically independent institutions like the judiciary, corruption, and embezzlement of EU funds to create a new oligarchy fully dependent on the ruling liberal elite.

That is the EU for you! Well done Mr Seer.

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #603

inflation has gone haywire since the last election and the country has become un investable since he started random nationalizations

This is not accurate.

Inflation has been high everywhere in Europe, even as it slows down in the United States. There are important structural factors driving this.

The nationalizations have been anything but random. I'm not going to explain here, however, what you can go and read for yourself.

The main reason Hungary might be struggling economically in any fashion relative to its EU neighbors, is because this relatively small country is still waiting on a further €20B of COVID stimulus aid. Almost everybody else has received those funds already, and it has translated into higher growth for their economies.

I'm not saying Hungary is without fault when it comes to the disbursement of EU funds, but this is clearly the main reason their economy is not growing faster.

Novichok
2 Feb 2024  #604

There are important structural factors driving this.

I know of only one: more money in circulation leading to a general price increase aka "inflation".

Supply and demand affect individual product prices.

The two - "printing" and the S&D law - operate independently.

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #605

I know of only one

Well, boss, there IS one more important reason.

The United States do not depend on imports of Russian oil and gas. Europeans do.

So one structural reason why Europe is recovering so much more slowly from the stimulus-fueled burst of inflation, is that it's much more manufacturing-heavy economy is seriously struggling under the weight of new energy prices.

Energy plays a much bigger role in driving inflation, in Europe, than it does in the US. In the US, one of the main factors is actually wage inflation.

Novichok
2 Feb 2024  #606

one of the main factors is actually wage inflation.

Finally, we disagree on something. Wages cannot cause inflation since neither workers nor employers can issue new money. Only the so-called "Fed", in conspiracy with the ruling mob, can.

When gas prices go up because of shortages, people are forced to spend less on other things. The American drama is that there is no "budget" and the m-fers in DC spend 1.6T more every year than they receive. That's inflation because it's new money that wasn't there a year ago.

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #607

If you want the news from the war from the other side, there's a way to go around the censorship of certain websites: I installed Linux Mint 21.3 on my laptop yesterday, and there is an app called Hypnotix in which you can watch TV from all around the world for free.

Guess which country I checked first he he :)

There are 56 Russian channels available, and it's not like they show 24/7 propaganda - it's actually pretty normal TV. Since yesterday I already learnt how to make Татарские перемячи, watched an episode of a TV series on TB-3 (some of the actresses are really hot!), learned about prostate cancer prevention from breakfast TV, and also of course saw some news from the front. In general there's also a lot of history and reportage - proper f*cking TV. If you want to learn the language it's absolutely brilliant stuff.

Bratwurst Boy
2 Feb 2024  #608

Very interesting background info!

"Scholz just doesn't want it"

German politicians speaking open like never about the difficulties behind closed doors concerning the help for Ukraine!

bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/ukraine-talk-bei-illner-strack-zimmermann-scholz-will-es-nicht-87001968.bild.html

Driving topic: German "Taurus" cruise missiles for Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz (65, SPD) zigzag course in arms deliveries against Putin's war of aggression.

The FDP defense politician and Europe's leading candidate Marie-Agnes Strack Zimmermann (65) criticized the Chancellor for hesitating deliveries of German cruise missiles: "I simply believe that he doesn't want it. He just doesn't want it."

There were long discussions about the delivery of the different types of tanks. At first there was resistance, then they were delivered. "We can only ever ask the Chancellor, including my colleagues from the Social Democrats and Greens."

But Scholz ultimately has the last word. His attitude is a red line: "Nonsense," said Strack-Zimmermann......


It seems everybody and his grandmom is begging Scholz to do much more all the time, but he just keeps refusing....and that puts the whole of Germany in a bad light!

...Defense expert Frank Sauer agrees: In terms of aid to Ukraine, we are in second place in absolute terms, but: "Measured by gross domestic product, we are in 14th place." There are "eastern states, Baltic states that have basically made themselves bare and much more. "...

....only two more years, then we have elections!

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #609

56 Russian channels

Oh, and by the way - judging by the commercial ads, they seem to be eating more than just hedgehogs. ;)

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #610

During the raging war in Ukraine, an interesting voice from Litwa - Litwini say whether they consider Russia and China or USA and Europe to be their allies...



... "if you take away the propaganda, we are brothers to the Poles. There is Karta Polaka for a reason". Well said, my Litwin brother, well said indeed.

cms neuf
2 Feb 2024  #611

3 Udmurtian policies identical to Nazi Germany

Criminalizing free speech
Use of penal battalions
Invading peaceful neighbors to "protect" ethnic brothers (and then taking their cars and defecating in their gardens)

Having read about the Dedovshchina tradition in the Udmurtian army now I understand why you guys are happy to fight this war from behind a keyboard rather than sign up

PolAmKrakow
2 Feb 2024  #612

@cms neuf
More policies also identical to Nazi Germany

Censorship of free speach subject to prosecution
Experimental immunization
Limiting a citizens ability to work, travel or socialize based on said experimental immunization
Selective prosecution

All done in the west, and lead by the US, Canada and EU. I think we all need to be more careful pointing out facist acts lest we be forced to look in the mirror and think about who we put in these positions of power.

Meanwhile, a big shakeup is on its way in Ukraine. If Z fires his military leader for telling the truth about the war being a stalemate, it shows that Z is afraid of the truth. No real leader fears the truth or criticism about his decisions. This IMO would be the likely beginning of the end of Z.

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #613

Criminalizing free speech

Like censoring "pro-Russian" websites in Poland or disciplinary persecuting of teachers who take part in legal demonstrations?

Use of penal battalions

Normal thing. Not only during war. Ever heard of penal units of Wojsko Polskie in Ełk and Orzysz? There were more of them, e.g. Niepołomice, Modlin, Góra Kalwaria, Drawsko and others.

Are you Polish, Cms? If you are then you should know that "Jak przeżyjesz Ełk i Orzysz, to na wojsku chuj położysz." hahaha ha :D Or maybe you're a 20-year-old snowflake who only saw army on TV. That would explain a lot.

Having read about the Dedovshchina tradition in the Udmurtian army

Make sure you read about Fala in the Polish army.

Novichok
2 Feb 2024  #614

Censorship of free speach subject to prosecution
Experimental immunization
Limiting a citizens ability to work, travel or socialize based on said experimental immunization
Selective prosecution

All done in the west, and lead by the US, Canada and EU.

Perfect.

Like censoring "pro-Russian" websites in Poland or disciplinary persecuting of teachers who take part in legal demonstrations?

Another pleasant surprise this morning and it's only 9:40...

On the down side, I lost reason to post here.

cms neuf
2 Feb 2024  #615

Amazingly they found some procedural errors and this anti war dude won't be allowed to take part in the Udmurtian election

rferl.org/a/russia-election-commission-summons-nadezhdin/32802615.html

Here in Poland we can vote for any one of a large number of candidates for President - the fresh air of democracy !

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #616

democracy

There are different types of democracy. For example, in Russian democracy the president decides who will be the oligarch; in Ukrainian democracy oligarchs decide who will be the president. Different countries, different customs. Normal thing.

Novichok
2 Feb 2024  #617

the fresh air of democracy !

Bullsh*it! In the states with the death penalty, you would have the right to choose between hanging and needle. BFD!

Democracy is a system that allows citizens to overrule the government. Only Switzerland is a democracy.

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #618

If you want to learn the language it's absolutely brilliant stuff.

I'm amazed at your enthusiasm for Russian television.

Try «Культура», by far the best channel, even though it's state owned.

Novichok
2 Feb 2024  #619

Memo to ignorants who think that elections are "democracy":

Democracy is a system that allows citizens to overrule the government.

Everything else is bullsh*it. Admittedly, sh*it may have a different texture and smell but it is still sh*it.

By Western standards, "communist" Poland was a democracy because it had two parties and voting every four years.

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #620

Democracy is a system that allows citizens to overrule the government.

Maybe not overrule, but at least vote out a government that delivers unpopular results.

By this criteria, Russia is not in breach, because Putin remains remarkably popular - regardless of what the liberal classes of Moscow and St. Petersburg may think about him.

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #621

I'm amazed at your enthusiasm for Russian television.

As a Pole I am always delighted to do what my government doesn't want me to do he he

Besides, you really have very decent TV - today I watched a war film about Stalingrad on Spas channel. There was an American actor (the guy from "Southern Comfort") playing Vasily Chuikov!

Try «Культура»

Don't know about that. Sounds sophisticated. I think I'll stick with WW2 movies on Spas and hot nurses in TV series on TB-3. Oh, and of course occasional ice-hockey on Belarus 5. All for free! Thank you, Linux Mint. :)

cms neuf
2 Feb 2024  #622

Who better to inform us about democracy than the Udmurtians?

Novichok
2 Feb 2024  #623

Maybe not overrule, but at least vote out a government that delivers unpopular results.

No!!! This allows a good-cop-bad-cop swindle without any guarantee that the good cop will undo what the bad one did. For example, raised taxes.
If we cannot legally force the government to retreat, it's a dictatorship. A soft one but a dictatorship just the same. Gulags are a separate issue. Today, we use employment as a tool of oppression.

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #624

Thank you, Linux Mint.

Why Linux? Is your system single boot in Linux now?
Can't you run it on a VM or subsystem within Windows?

Besides, you really have very decent TV

You are far too kind. It's become very American. Brainless talk shows, retarded daytime television, endless trash to fill the brain.

Few good channels.

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #625

Why Linux?

It's a simple, old-school OS. I don't like modern Windows - they are operating systems with ADHD, absolutely horrible. Have been using only Linux at home for quite a while now. Alas, at work I am sometimes forced to use Windows.

It's become very American.

What hasn't become very American these days?

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #626

@Torq

I'm just curious if your app can be run natively on Windows.

I never tried Mint, but right now have a dual boot with Windows 11 and Ubuntu. I use Ubuntu to play with the CUDA toolkit, but haven't really done anything interesting.

Torq
2 Feb 2024  #627

right now have a dual boot with Windows 11 and Ubuntu

I'm quite sure you can run Hypnotix on Ubuntu. Not sure if there is a Windows version of it. Oh, and Mint is based on Ubuntu and Debian.

This might help...

ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/install-linux-mint-apps-ppa-ubuntu/

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #628

Oh, and Mint is based on Ubuntu and Debian.

I'm aware)

I may be a historian, but I'm trying to stay abreast of scientific progress.

Paulina
2 Feb 2024  #629

By this criteria, Russia is not in breach, because Putin remains remarkably popular

If it wasn't for Putin's control over media in RuSSia I doubt he would be that remarkably popular.

Bobko
2 Feb 2024  #630

Media plays a role, certainly. Disqualifying any candidate that represents a threat - maybe also.

In the end, however, Putin's greatest help is Yeltsin. Yeltsin shocked Russians to the core with the absolute chaos and anarchy of the 1990s. Anything Putin does, always seems like an improvement from those days of extreme lawlessness.

On the other hand, the best Russian films and music and art were all made in the 1990s. Many people, remember the 90s as their best years.

"We were poor, but we were free".


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