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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 9



jon357
7 Mar 2024  #2641

How very convenient

Or very sensible and decent.

Since they aren't mercenaries, unlike the hapless Indians being tricked into becoming piles of orc meat.

Novichok
7 Mar 2024  #2642

Hey, Bobko, I have proof that the US wants Russia to win!!!

The US has 5500 tanks. The US gave U only 31. What does that tell you?

Simple. The US hates Ukraine or it would give them 1000, not a lousy 30! Especially considering that we don't need any damn tanks to stay safe.

Am I a genius?

pawian
7 Mar 2024  #2643

Am I a genius?

Yes, a genial attention sicker. :):):) Much more efficient than anybody else in this forum. hahahahaha

Novichok
8 Mar 2024  #2644

So why does the US need NATO and 5500 tanks to stay safe?

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2024  #2645

The US has 5500 tanks. The US gave U only 31. What does that tell you? The US hates Ukraine or it would give them 1000, not a lousy 30!

Russians are running out of abrams tanks to destroy.. send more.. and they will share a 10% commission with biden.. 😁



Russian Soldier Mocks Biden For Sending Abrams Tanks To Ukraine; 'Will Transfer 10% Commission'

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2024  #2646



Russian Hellbird Rains Bombs On Ukrainian Strongholds; Wipes Out Big Cluster Of Kyiv's Soldiers

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2024  #2647

Europe can't get real because it's Clown world, it lives in a jew delusion of nig@er worship and obedience to kike.. 😁😁😁



Austria Argues With West For Russia; Says, 'Moscow Will Always Be Number One...'

PolAmKrakow
8 Mar 2024  #2648

@Novichok
If the US gave Ukraine 1000 tanks, they would not have men to operate them. And that is no ones fault but Z's. Cant win wars without manpower.

Paulina
8 Mar 2024  #2649

they would not have men to operate them. And that is no ones fault but Z's.

I disagree. I think that if the West were sending the needed military equipment and ammunition (and more of it) to Ukraine from the start, instead of fearing to cross the "red lines that would upset RuSSia," less Ukrainian soldiers would die and maybe the situation would look different right now. So, whichever Zelensky's strategic decisions were wrong or not, the West is at fault too, imho.

PolAmKrakow
8 Mar 2024  #2650

@Paulina
I have said the US needs to send everything all at once. I have said that F16's are way too late. Z refuses to mobilize more men. Without more men, all the equipment in the world will not give Ukraine a win. Tanks without crews to operate them are large paperweights. Missiles withough crews to operate them are waiting in line to be fired. It is men, and only more men thats needed first. They are outnumbered, and out gunned. If Z moved to a full war time economy, and mibilized, I would bet my car that the US would find the weapons and money for Ukraine within days. How do you expect Americans, a culture obsesively based upon "winning" and "competing", to get behind anyone who is so clearly not committed to doing what ever it takes to win. Ukraine is killing its own men because they have not fully committed to winning.

Russia cannot occupy Ukraine with the force it has there now. Simply not in the numbers. Ukraine cannot push Russia out because they dont have the numbers. These are just facts. But as Russia continues to mobilize and train new recruits you can bet they will make more advances. Meanwhile in Kiev and Lviv, pubs are open and life is going on with the exception of the occasional air raid siren. That is not a sign of commitment to winning the war.

Paulina
8 Mar 2024  #2651

I have said the US needs to send everything all at once. I have said that F16's are way too late.

Then don't claim "that is no ones fault but Z's", because it isn't true. What would be earlier the point of full mobilization if there was not enough equipment and ammunition to go around? And now - it may be too late for taking back the territory taken by RuSSia. I just hope that Ukraine will have enough of soldiers to keep their independence and not let RuSSia take more territory.

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2024  #2652

sent to Bandera

πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ Ukrainian militant Yuri Slepchenko was killed as a result of yesterday's missile attack on the port of Odessa. Earlier it was reported that the Russian Armed Forces carried out a high-precision strike on a hangar in Odessa, in which preparations were being made for the combat use of unmanned boats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

t.me/intelslava/55801

πŸ‡·πŸ‡Ί πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡§πŸ‡Ύ The FSB reports the liquidation in Karelia of a citizen of Belarus who was preparing a terrorist attack, recruited by the Ukrainian special services.

The FSB report states that the terrorist was 49-year-old Nikolai Alekseev, a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, who was a member of the banned nationalist formation "Kastus Kalinovsky Regiment" and was on the interstate wanted list.


t.me/intelslava/55797

PolAmKrakow
8 Mar 2024  #2653

@Paulina
If you dont mobilize and train men first, which takes 8 to 12 weeks, then you dont have men for weapons. This is just a military fact. Putin mobilized again four or five months ago, and now, has a bigger man advantage. Russia is taking back territory based on that manpower advantage, and the fact that they are in full war time economy and weapons production, which Ukraine refuses to move to. This is Z's fault. He refuses to listen to strategists from the US and NATO, and he refuses to mobilize or move to a war time economy. The Ukraine army is average aged of 43 years old! This is not a demographic that is best suited to beat your enemy. This is the WTF demographic that has already lived and most of these men are completely worn out from being on the front lines so long.

Strength is whats needed. Men between 25 and 35 fully trained and ready to kill. Physical strength is required in a war like this, not old men who havent seen the inside of a gym in 15 or more years. Mobilize and weapons will come. Mobilize now for a summer offensive and make big gains before the US presidential elections in less than 8 months and you might find more support from a potential new president. Russia can go on like this for at least two more years. Ukraine? Maybe a few months.

Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2024  #2654

Intel Slava Z
πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ Former commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Valery Zaluzhny was sent into honorable exile to the UK to serve as Ukrainian ambassador.

His candidacy for this post was approved by Vladimir Zelensky, reports the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry.

Previously, rumors about such a possible position for Zaluzhny appeared in the Ukrainian press even before his resignation.


Crnogorac3
8 Mar 2024  #2655

Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast

🧾 On Esoteric Stalinism

There is no easy explanation for why Stalin is still revered by many people in Russia to this day. The ruthless leader responsible for millions of deaths, but also for propelling the USSR to superpower status still captivates hearts and minds of many people. It is certainly a bottom-up phenomenon in Russia since "Stalin's cult of personality" was systematically rooted out for 60 years, first by the Soviet Union and then by the Russian government. All Russians have had the opportunity to learn all the facts about purges and mass incarcerations. Most have lost their relatives in the 1930-40s, a lot of people have read Solzhenitsyn etc. All statues of Stalin were demolished, streets renamed and the history books began reflecting on his crimes. Yet none of this has destroyed Stalin's image. In fact, it barely made a dent in it. In spite of it all, there's a persistent, silent yet undying respect for the man across all walks of life in Russia.

One of the main contributing factors was the victory in the Great Patriotic War which happened during Stalin's leadership. There have been many attempts to separate these two events, claiming that it was a victory by the Russian people, despite the "Georgian terrorist" pissing himself at his dacha. However, you can be either wholeheartedly pro-victory or against it. There is no enlightened middle ground that does not immediately invoke the image of a soyjack. I wish there was!

But I would say that the biggest reason behind the cult of Stalin lies in the fact that he does not come across as a real person. Unlike Lenin, who was an obvious balding intelligentsia manlet from a family of provincial nobility, Stalin had no family but his mom and even that was questionable. This is extremely unusual for a Georgian, even today, bc their extended families are usually enormous. There are constant debates about who he really was. The lack of details combined with the totalitarian state, conveyor belts of death and the extreme secrecy made Stalin appear almost like a fictional character. He became a perfect vessel for whatever people wanted him to be.

You're a socialist? Great, Stalin was one as well.
You're a fascist? Well, the workers didn't really own the means of production, so...
You're a Christian? Stalin had flown an Orthodox icon around the city in 1941!
You're an Atheist? He destroyed many churches!
You're Jewish? Stalin's USSR was the first state to recognize Israel!
You're anti-Jewish? Koba purged & killed a whole lot of them!
You're pro-Ukrainian? Stalin said that all the cities in the Ukraine should be "Ukrainized"
You're anti-Ukrainian? Great, because Stalin was responsible for a h*******r and he dealt with the banderists!

After myriads of these antithetical debates, Stalin has transformed into an almost ethereal, eschatological figure, an angel of death but also, for some people, a saviour of Russia. Whenever there is a mystery and lots of blood involved, people cannot help but marvel at the sight. And if you combine this with a wounded sense of national pride, you end up with an inextinguishable flame burning in a lot of the people's hearts. Not advocating for anything here, just some thoughts on the matter.

Paulina
8 Mar 2024  #2656

Mobilize and weapons will come.

And you know this how? Because all I heard from the beginning was "we don't want to cross RuSSia's red lines" and not "we will send weapons if there's going to be full mobilization". So the West committed too late and too little. When the West was delaying, the young, experienced and patriotic Ukrainian soldiers were dying. A wasted time and wasted lives of driven, still hopeful soldiers.

And nowadays what's coming from the US is "we prefer to spend money on Israel and the Wall and our roads and homeless, etc."... So what makes you so sure that full mobilization will equal more weapons being sent?

Robin1988
8 Mar 2024  #2657

I don't know if it's real but it appeared real, I saw a rocket hit south of where I was in Longueuil then flashing light and nothing after, how would I know it's real maybe it's imagination played a role in it.

amiga500
8 Mar 2024  #2658

. He refuses to listen to strategists from the US and NATO, and he refuses to mobilize or move to a war time economy. The Ukraine army is average aged of 43 years old!

Men between 25 and 35 fully trained and ready to kill.

No1: the men between 25 and 35 who wanted to fight have already voluntered and died or are exhausted. You are talking about forcibly conscripting an unwilling population.

No2: the reason that the mobilisation bill has not passed in Ukri and has gone through about 1000 amendments is that everyone is aware that there was a demographic crisis there's a lot more 43 year olds than 23 year olds. The politicians know if they have a forever war and send the young into battle there will be very few children in the next generation. The most successfull have alreayd left Ukraine. It's hard to be Ukraine for Ukranians when there is no one left.

Maybe that is a goal for some of the evil USA and Europe elite. A depopulated ukraine, perfect place to send millions of migrants, they will work for pennies and keep the oligarich-corporate system going that ukraine has been for many years... mmm the conspiracy theory is falling into place nicely..

PolAmKrakow
8 Mar 2024  #2659

@Paulina
This is a direct result of Z refusing to follow US orders concerning the counter offensive last summer. Instead, Ukraine threw everything at Avdivka and lost it. Thats exactly when all the US funding problems began. The timeline is there and easy to see.

@amiga500
There are so many young Ukraine men under 25 that are just partying away in Kiev and Lviv it should embarass the government. If you arent going to have them fight, then why not allow them to leave the country? It does not make sense. So many are buying their way out now and corruption is only rising. I hope you are wrong about the EU and US elites wanting a depopulated Ukraine, but, your theory is not far fetched. Just think only a few years ago we all believed that lockdowns were a good thing and would stop the oh so deadly virus. Funny how that turned out to be bull$hit.

amiga500
8 Mar 2024  #2660

we all believed that lockdowns were a good thing and would stop the oh so deadly virus. Funny how that turned out to be bull$hit.

Amazing you mentioned that just as i was reading this.

"For those who've forgotten, Sweden was excoriated by corporate media and US politicians for its lighter-touch Covid-19 strategy. Many were downright hostile to the Swedes for refusing to shutter schools, lock down businesses, and ramp up police to enforce mandates."

"More recently, Danish economist BjΓΈrn Lomborg shared a statistical analysis based on government data from all European countries from January 2020 to August 2022. The study demonstrated that Sweden had the lowest cumulative age-standardized mortality rate in all of Europe in that period."

"Lockdowns weren't scientific and proved ineffective at slowing the spread of Covid, but even if they had worked, they came with severe collateral damage: cancer screenings plummeted, drug use surged, learning was lost, and global poverty exploded. Depression and unemployment skyrocketed, businesses went bankrupt, and high inflation arrived. Babies were denied heart surgery because of travel restrictions, youth suicides increased...the list goes on and on."

fee.org/articles/laissez-faire-sweden-had-the-lowest-mortality-in-europe-from-2020-2022-new-analysis-shows/

Ironside
8 Mar 2024  #2661

Dems' administration is not supporting Ukraine and wasn't from the start, they are historically more into appeasing Russia and deal-making with totalitarian regimes, they did it because it was an anti-Ameircan move by Russia. And because they realized they could gather support for Biden as wars always increase support for administration and a president domestically.

So Republicans responded by making a bid to undermine that support by staging an antiwar sentiment that goes against a historical Republican approach to foreign powers. Interesting internal games but that does nothing to solve the issue at hand.

The bottom line here is that the US has enough material to help Ukraine win this war without overburdening itself and at the same time regain its position as a leading war power, It is - a win. Internal problems like the south border or woke movements are self-inflicted and can be solved without dragging international policy into it. such countries like the US can't afford to do it too much. Simple!

Novichok
8 Mar 2024  #2662

If the US gave Ukraine 1000 tanks, they would not have men to operate them.

Good point.

Still waiting for an answer to this question:

Why does the US need NATO to be safe?

Bobko
8 Mar 2024  #2663

agreed, i saw nuclear explosion while I was in Montreal

This is... impressive.

What else did you see there?

PolAmKrakow
8 Mar 2024  #2664

@Novichok
I will say the obvious since no one else will. The US does not need NATO. NATO was only needed until the fall of the USSR and the reunification of Germany. NATO is simply another name for the worlds largest IKEA for military arms. No one will ever invade the US, and if they did, the citizens would kill them first.

mafketis
8 Mar 2024  #2665

No one will ever invade the US, and if they did, the citizens would kill them first

Don't see that happening now.... and what is what's going on at the southern border if not an invasion? Lots of military age single Chinese males is the latest cohort....

Sweet denial......

Novichok
8 Mar 2024  #2666

I will say the obvious since no one else will.

The US does not need NATO.

Thank you! My faith in humanity has been restored.

Of course, we need NATO as I need cancer. PF Euros know that this sick organization is 100% for their benefit and continues its existence only to feed the world's biggest theft mafia aka the US MICC.

The same with those stupid 5500 tanks we have for a war with Guatemala. Or is it Honduras?

As far as Sweden in NATO...This made the US weaker by increasing our risks of war with Russia while adding nothing to our ability to defend the US from China and Russia.

But the PF Russia-haters can't see past their hatred...Instead, while claiming that Putin is a mentally sick maniac, they giggle when Russia is more trapped with every new US parasite aka NATO member. The only question is where Russia's red line really is. Ukraine was just a preview...

That's why none of these dishonest scumbags here would touch that question.

Thanks again...

Memo to morons: If you think that Article 5 will stop Russia from dropping a tactical nuke on you when Russia will feel really threatened, you are really a bunch of morons.

Robin1988
8 Mar 2024  #2667

What else did you see there?

I received like phone from Adolf, and he was in phone booth, what the heck how does he relate to me, I was tripping hard lol

johnny reb
8 Mar 2024  #2668

you are really a bunch of morons.

And you are one mentally sick Ru$$ian Commie Propagandist, in other words a terrorist living in our country.
Our motto is, "Give us Liberty or Give us death."
But then again you are not one of us so you wouldn't know that.

you think that Article 5 will stop Russia from dropping a tactical nuke on you

How about you ?
Chicago will be one of putin's first cities in the U.S. to turn into glass.
Is that what has you so upset ?
Take a week off here Richard and go outside and smell the fresh air and give thanks to what God has blessed you with.

Bobko
8 Mar 2024  #2669

I received like phone from Adolf

Montreal sounds completely different from what I expected.

johnny reb
8 Mar 2024  #2670

Over 70% of the people there speak French.


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