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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10



Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2251

Anytime, brate!

American talking Sarmatian! :) *high five*

Lyube? What's that?

Russian band...





... they sing beautiful poetic songs - like honey for any Slavic soul, but they are also patriotic Russian, so blocked in Poland. :(

AntV
30 Apr 2024  #2252

... they sing beautiful poetic songs - like honey for any Slavic soul, but they are also patriotic Russian, so blocked in Poland. :(

Hmmmm...Seems blocked here also.

American talking Sarmatian!

Call it my inner Crow. :)

Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2253

Seems blocked here also.

Annoys me to no end. The language, books, culture, even music - it's like we should avoid everything connected with Russia from now on because that's what our overlords want. :-/ *shows finger in general direction of puppet masters*

inner Crow

Resides in every single one of us. :) Especially those who still live in denial of their Slavic roots. *coughBBcough*

jon357
30 Apr 2024  #2254

The language, books, culture, even music

I have some Borodin on my Spotify and it works.

Perhaps the music you wanted was copyrighted by a company connected to the Putler regime who would receive income from it.

Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2255

who would receive income from it

... and why shouldn't they receive income from a job well done and service delivered? Hey, Spotify - I want my Lyube back! :(

jon357
30 Apr 2024  #2256

receive income

Because they'll spend it in the r*SSian economy and pay taxes to the r*SSian gangster state.

Listen to some Okean Elzy instead.

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2257

Polycarp, Cyril of Jerusalem, Justin Martyr, Jerome, etc.?

What about them?

In the Orthodox world, the Desert Fathers have a place of preeminence, in some sense.

For me, personally, the difference between the two groups is that the ascetics were primarily producing insights which were practical and experiential. That is, something I can actually use.

The Fathers who grew up and spent their life in the big cities, focused more on theology, doctrine, and ecclesiastical practices. Things I don't care very much about at all.

Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2258

Borodin (...) Okean Elzy

You forget that I am a man of simple pleasures. Until Lyube is back I'm stuck with Ласковый май.

*biełyje rozy, biełyje rozy la la la*

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2259

Until Lyube is back I'm stuck with Ласковый май.

Ahahahaha.

They should send you to a medical clinic. Your Russophilia exceeds mine.

God bless you!

Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2260

They should send you to a medical clinic. Your Russophilia exceeds mine.

Guilty as charged. :)

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2261

The kind of Russian music I listen to, you would probably stop speaking to me...

Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2262

The kind of Russian music I listen to

Hmm... probably some imperial military marches from Napoleonic times and revolutionary communist songs. ;)

AntV
30 Apr 2024  #2263

primarily producing insights which were practical and experiential. That is, something I can actually use.

You have an interesting approach to the Desert Fathers. Don't you think the insights of the desert fathers, though, were informed by the theological as well as spiritual experience? They went to the desert to radically live out the theology and doctrine, which is all focused on man being in communion with God.

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2264

Don't you think the insights of the desert fathers, though, were informed by the theological as well as spiritual experience?

As much, as the experience was informed by starvation and stark alienation from human society. Draw the parallels with the Christ as you wish.

Maybe the reason the Desert Fathers are less appreciated in the West, is how the monastic tradition evolved in the two different geographies. Your monks drink beer and stuff their face with food, while our monks kill themselves with cold and starvation.

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2265

From the Desert Fathers, and back to Russia's war with Ukraine...

I read constantly posts from Westerners, in this key, "The Russians have strewn the fields with their dead bodies. What makes these men push forward, despite this gruesome picture?".

To me it's genuinely funny, that almost three years, in these people are still piecing together the pieces of this puzzle.

AntV
30 Apr 2024  #2266

As much, as the experience was informed by starvation and stark alienation from human society.

Ah...but this where the Fathers would say the theology and doctrine is of supreme importance. Such ascetical practice can easily lead to a nothingness...a pointless nihilism. The whole point of the starvation and alienation was to discipline one's passions to allow the theology and doctrine to breath fully in the father's life. Without the theology and doctrine the virtue the ascetic is seeking becomes relative, possibly to the point of madness or monstrosity.

It's like fire, if it's not properly maintained it can destroy, but put it in a hearth and it produces great good.

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2267

Without the theology and doctrine the virtue the ascetic is seeking becomes relative

Ok, maybe you are right - this will be quite fun to discuss with you.

It's like fire, if it's not properly maintained it can destroy, but put it in a hearth and it produces great good.

Can you say more about this?

Korvinus
30 Apr 2024  #2268

Has Srusia managed to take control of Bakhmut yet?

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2269

Have you not used the internet for more than one year?

Korvinus
30 Apr 2024  #2270

I remember you Ruskies cheering the fall of Bakhmut and claiming that after taking this obstacle Russia will soon reach Dnieper river since Ukrainians have no more strongholds in the East.

Bakhmut fell in May 2023. Since then the frontline moved several kilometers west and each one costed lots of Russian blood.

The frontline currently moves towards another fortress town - Chasiv Yar. If Russians somehow manage to take it, they will have an approach to Konstiantynivka, another stronghold. And if this one falls, there is still the double fortress of Kramatorsk-Sloviansk, larger and more fortified than all the previous ones.

Two years have passed and Russians still didn't even take Donbas, even against Ukrainians starved of ammunition. And now when US restarts arm deliveries, what makes you think the Putin's finest will pick up the pace?

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2271

if this one falls, there is still the double fortress of Kramatorsk-Sloviansk, larger and more fortified than all the previous ones.

The key aspect you are missing is whether or not these locations have been fortified to the same extent that Bakhmut, Avdeevka, and Mariinka were.

I will answer the question for you - there is much less defensive infrastructure in the remaining places.

Two years have passed and Russians still didn't even take Donbas

Keep telling yourself this, while you still have this to use as a funny argument with some Russian online.

I'm sure even you are not so stupid as to not be able to interpret the signs appearing before you.

In any case, best of luck to you - I don't want to answer your questions anymore since you do not debate in good faith.

Crow
30 Apr 2024  #2272

Two years have passed and Russians still didn't even take Donbas,

One way how one can look at this... It giving more time to Poland to awake from delusion and came in aid to Russia. Because you know, if Russians fall, left alone Serbians would be unable to resist to pressure of Germany, Vatican, Italy, Austria, Turkey, France, etc. Not to say that if Russia fall, the next day Poland would be eaten by same those who finished with Serbia and Russia.

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2273

if Russians fall, left alone Serbians would be unable to resist to pressure of Germany, Vatican, Italy, Austria, Turkey, France, etc

You underestimate Serbia!

pawian
30 Apr 2024  #2274

It giving more time to Poland to awake from delusion and came in aid to Russia.

Crow, I sort of like you coz you are so determined in your endavours, just like me. You are obstinate like a Pole. :):):)
That is why I will tell you one thing to spare you worries and wasted energy and effort - most Poles and Polesses (except rabid nationalists supported by 7%) will never accept imperial Russia and Russians. Forget it.

Crow
30 Apr 2024  #2275

You underestimate Serbia!

Well, many people here do believe that we Serbians must save Poland and Russia.

most Poles and Polesses (except rabid nationalists supported by 7%) will never accept imperial Russia and Russians.

Maybe. But, looking historically, Poles tend to join with Serbs. Remind yourself of Mizkiewich that was sure that key to independence of Poland goes via Polish support to Serbs and then Serbs do their part, as he said to Czartorisky. If we Serbians have vision of future balance within Slavic world, certainly Poles would do, if they themselves can resist to outside forces that hold them.

Torq
30 Apr 2024  #2276

Vatican

Well, shocking as it may be to you, Crow, you big Vatican hater, His Holiness the Most Holy Father Pope Francis is actually on the Sarmatian side. Ha!

Bobko
30 Apr 2024  #2277

If we Serbians have vision of future balance within Slavic world

What is it? I'm very curious to hear your explanation.

It's a project that did not work for 1,300 years. Why will Serbia suddenly make it work?

Ironside
30 Apr 2024  #2278

Why will Serbia suddenly make it work?

Because they have Tesla and are the real Sarmatians.

Alien
30 Apr 2024  #2279

underestimate Serbia!

Whom? 🤔

Korvinus
30 Apr 2024  #2280

there is much less defensive infrastructure in the remaining places

Which means you believe the official data concerning fortifications?

I hope all the Russians are as naive.


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