Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

That was brilliant! Americans dying in Ukraine in large numbers ...what a wonderful idea...Hello Vietnam...

This is what real support is. Not just printing money...

Unhappily for Z and the MICC, this would end the war in 72 hours.

You are more than a week behind the news my friend.

The salient has widened and deepened since then. Ukraine is urgently throwing "firefighter" brigades into that direction.

However, they've already had to give up several more villages, because of the threat that was created to their flanks.

So much energy spent promoting the new Ukrainian fortifications, and already the first line has been breached. It will be rapidly rolled up now, because it is much harder to defend a trench from the side or back, than it is from the front - hahaha!

The collapse of the front at Ocheretyno is a great indicator of how sh*t Ukraine's manpower situation is. The 47th brigade (the fancy one with Bradleys and Abrams) was rotated out for rest, and their replacement immediately got shredded. Guess who was sent back to plug the hole? That's right - the 47th. Their vacation was cut short.

They are running out of reserves.

Zelenskyy is a bandit and is being called out on it.

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He and NATO are worse. Sending waves of men to their deaths to please the US Congress is a crime against humanity.
The fact that they carry guns and two dozen rounds before they die is irrelevant.

They just allowed the recruitment of 25 year olds. NATO will gladly help with the training. And with US back in the game, the possibility of supplying Ukraine's army with sufficient ammo is no longer in question.

And its not like Russians don't suffer from attrition either.

NATO should send their own to replace the missing 500,000 Ukrainians. U will gladly give them visas.


To a dumb Polak, 500,000 deaths is a game.

You forgot "the".

True, true... now just a small thing remains - to find them, catch them, and put them in uniform.

Right now every Ukrainian mom and dad are paying their last monies to get their son the hell away from the war. Getting a second education, becoming a "volunteer", marrying some old widow so you suddenly have three kids to "take care of", or even a swim across the river...

25 year olds in Russia and Ukraine are the same as 25 year olds in the West right now. A coddled, treasured, generation of single kids who were showered with love from 4-6-8 adults. Nobody will let them go easily. Those that were ready, already left in February 2022.

25 is the new 15. They are kids, and the idea of sending them into the meat grinder does not rest well with people.

How is that possible that grown men post incoherent nonsense that doesn't make much sense.? Is that boredom, cynicism, or stupidity? Maybe all three.


Time to grow up!

@Bobkso
Tell Putin to stop the invasion, if you care so much for lives of Russians and Ukrainians. No one wants this war. The day Ruskies go home the killings are over.

You don't agree with me?

Do you have children, or nieces and nephews?

Because even I would go and die instead of my 25 year old cousins. They haven't seen life at all - how is it fair to end it so early?

I am 35...

If you are 60 and you still feel it's ok for a 25 year to go and die for you, even though his only dividend from this is DEATH, then I don't agree with you.

This is a new era of war. The time of young people dying so old farts can continue debating their favorite topics is past.

Look, you voice your concern over some Ukrainians while you have no issue with Russians going to the front line. Is that not one obvious manipulation targeting the sentiment (cheap sentimentalism)of Western public opinion? You keep forgetting that I grew up in a communist country.

Anyway, 25 is an adult and if he or she is not there is something wrong with them.

In fact, as a relatively young person I am disgusted with all the discussions of the old farts about how many of us should die, and what number is acceptable.

You cooked this soup - it's your job to eat it.

A young Ukrainian person, and a young Russian person have no objective reason to sit in a hole and kill each other.

You have to do some very good explaining about why we should go and die.


Are you an idiot?


How many 25 year olds do you know, now?

You must think that I am. Aren't you supporting Putin and his special operation? You voiced your support many times on this forum and now what? Do you cry over dead soldiers on both sides? The solution is simple - Russia should withdraw its forces back to Russia.

What you post here indirectly supports draft dodgers on the Ukrainian side. Bravo!

You better believe it, otherwise you do not understand why I am here. I wrote, several times, at risk of your ridicule - about how I TRULY CRY for these men.

For me it's no show.


You should stop helping the descendants of Nazis and stop sticking your nose into my business.

Simonyan isn't that old.... yet here she is telling young people they shouldn't mind dying....

twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1623697424907751424


I don't think you're stupid enough to believe russian propaganda about nazis in Ukraine...


Ukraine is not your (or any russian's or any American's or any Pole's) business.Ukraine is the business of Ukrainians.

russia has turned into a full blown death cult.... the most repulsive country on the planet (beating russian best buddy North Korea only on the fact that North Korea isn't invading anyone at the moment).

So to sum it up, you will push with your war and death while not enjoying it and crying over the losses of that conflict.

There are levels.


I push "war and death"? Not Crno, or Velund, or Kostya?

I push for my country.

I think I'm one of the few people on this forum, who advocated a middle path since day 1. I'm no prophet, no specialist, but I could already then see the potential for what is happening now.

Before you say anything - I know we will win. We always win, when it matters. But there existed another avenue, which did not involve this amount of heartbreak.

Hmm...

I am 45, so somewhere between you and Iron, but when I think about my generation 20 years ago I come to the conclusion that we were crazy patriotic. In highschool we were almost all in harcerstwo (even my wife was a harcerka :)), we often wore demobil uniforms, complained about but secretly loved our PO (Przysposobienie Obronne - Defense Preparation) lessons and often phantasized about defending Poland against either German or Russian invasion. :) Our form tutor was a reserve navy officer and he organised shooting classes for us which we adored (even the girls, of which there were not many in our mat-fiz class). When we grew up and went to universities many of us went through Studium Wojskowe, and where that wasn't possible (only few of those survived into 2000s) we took up paintball, reconstruction groups and other military related stuff. Silly - yes, childish - yes, but that's how we were. When we were 25 we would have joined the army in an eyeblink had Russia/Germany (or both) invaded Poland.

These days I am not so sure. It's only 20 years but you are right that today's 25-year-olds are creatures from a completely different fairy tale. Or maybe I'm just getting old...

They are.

My generation is a generation of nihilist idiots (1979-1989), but their generation is different...

My generation has been used in the meat grinder many times, and it does not seem to mind. Because we are a bunch of losers, demographically and statistically speaking. But these guys - they're the future.

I'm not 60!


I had my experience but that is nobody's business
I can only say that I don't like to see a war anywhere but sending 25 or 30 to war is a normal thing to do, if there is an invasion citizens of any country should defend their country, and people in their 50s' and 60s' are not fit for the front line for more than a few months.

Even the best patriots will not defend the country

twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1779967973811257478

there is something brewing up within Ukrainian forces.
The 3rd Assault Brigade (AZOV) refused to go to Chasov Yar - the 67th Mech Brigade (also a known as a "far right sector unit") refused orders and left Chasov Yar and will be dissolved - same with the 25th Air Assault Brigade after a mass surrender.

jihadi Julian knows

You're almost agreeing with your favorite compatriot....

twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1783561457348513914

@Ironside
Maybe Poland should join the fight instead of Americans protecting everyone else for a change? Lets just send the mighty Polish military into the fray. Thats as stupid as sending Americans.

I'm sure it made a hell lot of difference for people who got the bullet in the back of their head or were sent to the concentration camps in Siberia or Kazakhstan.

B!tch, a moment ago you claimed Soviets saved Poles from the Germans, when in reality they ganged up on our asses and partnered in genocide.

And making it very clearly known to it's enemy were a large portion of it's military is in a stationary position.

Without enough military reinforcements, air support and mortar + artillery it is a reinforced grave

And making it very clearly known to it's enemy were a large portion of it's military is in a stationary position.

Without enough military reinforcements, air support and mortar + artillery it is a reinforced grave

@Korvinus
That's because they behave like narcissists, ignorant to their own mistakes. Looking only at others and seeing discussion as verbal fighting (basically wizards vs wizards with words as magic spells)

So when you tell them: "You guys also used spells against us! Just like them Germans!" They get confused and think, uhm yeah? You stupid or something?"

So when you share your grievances with them, it falls on deaf ears. Polish suffering is nothing compared to Russian suffering in eyes of Russians, so it also only comes out as weakness and complaints. Which is looked down upon. Very similar mentality to scandinavians. Harsh environment mentality

The invading army came from Ukraine and operates illegally in Russia.


The US:
Together, these systems hold over 1.9 million people in 1,566 state prisons, 98 federal prisons, 3,116 local jails, 1,323 juvenile correctional facilities, 142 immigration detention facilities, and 80 Indian country jails, as well as in military prisons,

Russia:
In January 2023 the FSIN has a total prisoner population of 433,006, which included all pretrial detainees.

Liberation of Kharkov from the south:

twitter.com/TobiAyodele/status/1784188637325766761


It got complicated.
You just find out about one liberated village, and in the next morning several more are liberated.
The wave of freedom is spreading irresistibly
Novokalinovo and Keramik
The Russians also entered this Arkhangelskoe, that's for the morning
They are going up to Kharkov.

Things are suddenly moving fast.

For context, the distance between Bakhmut and Chasov Yar took approx. one year to cover - that's 6 KM. The advance that has been made in Ocheretyno is about 6-7KM now, but it happened in about ten days.

You can also compare this to the famous Ukrainian counteroffensive, which liberated a single village over the course of 5 months at the cost of tens of thousands of men.

The effect of the Western aid package should take some weeks to be felt, so many more locations might fall.

Things are indeed moving quite a bit faster than before, but there's a long way to go. During their Khakov Counteroffensive in 2022, the Ukrainians freed something like 500 villages/towns, and 12,000 KM2. Something like that, would be very nice to see. The roles are sort of reversed now in terms of manpower.