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Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10



Mr Grunwald
1 May 2024  #2341

So things are indeed moving quite a bit faster than before.

I would been very weary if that happened to me as a soldier, it's perfect recipe for an encirclement. One of the most known ones was during ww2. When a Soviet offensive met almost no resistance and was allowed by the German army to penetrate German defences and advance very deeply. Only to be encircled, I would expect Russian colonels and Generals to at least know their own armies history, mistakes, faults and victories before graduating officers academy.

Or should I look at it differently Bobko?

Korvinus
1 May 2024  #2342

msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-updates-drone-reportedly-hits-russian-oil-refinery/ar-AA1nXXK7

Ukraine updates: Drone reportedly hits Russian oil refinery​

Bobko
1 May 2024  #2343

should I look at it differently Bobko?

Even a monkey can see that risk, so yes - of course.

The military command has certain reserves available to it - analysts say approximately two army corps. For stabilizing this salient that we are discussing, and for allowing the further exploitation of the dynamically developing opportunities - reserves were put in place. Specifically, we can say now that it's 3 strengthened brigades, which were previously involved in liberating Avdeevka. For a month they were resting and reconstituting, but now they have been rotated to that direction to hold the "neck" of the salient against counter-attack and hopefully widen it. These are some of the best formations available to the Russian military.

In the event, they are actually succeeding quite well at widening the "mouth" of this breach, and it's now much more safe.

Instead of a 5 km long "intestine", it's now a 6-7km by 5km rectangle. It's widening by the hour, and the point of the spear is also diverging and expanding.

Don't want to be running ahead of the train here with wild forecasts, so let's wait and see what happens.

Some people are saying Russia does not have adequate reserves to truly exploit this breakthrough, and will instead opt to slow it down and again start collecting strength for the next push which could either be designed to encircle Toretsk or push towards Pokrovsk.

Other people are saying it's all a "fixing operation" to stretch the Ukrainians thin before attacking from an unexpected direction like the Kharkov one.

I think the main aim is still just Donetsk and Luhansk... but that's me on my couch :). Kharkov seems a little ambitious at the moment.

Crnogorac3
1 May 2024  #2344

Fun fact. Of the 61 billion in "aid to Ukraine", 28 goes to fill the American warehouses that were emptied by giving weapons to Ukraine.

The effect of the Western aid package should take some weeks to be felt,

I would not expect any change on the front to be caused by this.

In total $61 billion will be allocated, of which $23.2 billion dollars will be used to replenish defense goods and services provided to Ukraine.
(Replenishment of USA warehouses)

$11.3 billion for current US military operations in the region
(Logistics, CIA, Avax, Instructors, Training, Technicians)

$13.8 billion dollars for the purchase of the latest weapons systems, goods and services for defense purposes
(New armament)

$26 million for continued oversight and accountability for assistance and equipment provided to Ukraine
(Some bureaucratic crap)

$7.8 billion dollars of direct financial assistance in credit to Ukraine.
(For Zelensky to pay salaries and pensions, but also the credit)
LOL

Therefore, only $13.8 billion goes to new guns and ammunition
and only 6 Patriot batteries cost 6 billion$...

This can't even patch holes.

Bobko
1 May 2024  #2345

Therefore, only $13.8 billion goes to new guns and ammunition

The way the replenishment is intended to work, is it allows the US president to release more from stockpiles as drawdowns. Through some bureaucratic hassle which I don't care to understand, the president is only allowed to give stuff away if he can show that it doesn't hurt America's overall security.

So you can add the replenishment to the tab as well. I don't know in what proportion it will go towards replenishing past packages rather than new ones, but I would think it's safe to assume it's intended for future ones.

Novichok
1 May 2024  #2346

This can't even patch holes.

...but it feels good....We are doing something...

Korvinus
1 May 2024  #2347

o fill the American warehouses that were emptied by giving weapons to Ukraine

Are you actually that gullible to believe official statistics when it comes to US ammo production? Why would US show their hand to China and Russia?

The fact is while USA supplied Ukraine there was a lot of shells coming and from time to time Ukraine achieved parity with Russia when it comes to shells fired.

And US is back in the game baby, to the obvious discontent of the Russian propaganda machine.

Novichok
1 May 2024  #2348

And US is back in the game baby,

Hey, stupid, killing 500,000 Ukrainians is not a game. It's serious business for the US warmongers and MICC.

Is every Polak a moron?

Korvinus
1 May 2024  #2349

If Moscow wanted peace, they would just leave Ukraine. Or at least stop demanding things worse than what countries who unconditionally surrendered got. If Ukraine stops fighting, there is no more Ukraine. If Russia stops fighting, there is peace.

Miloslaw
1 May 2024  #2350

If Moscow wanted peace, they would just leave Ukraine.

Exactly! and I completely agree with the rest of your post too.

If, and it's a big if, Ukraine starts to lose this war then NATO needs to step in.

Novichok
2 May 2024  #2351

Or at least stop demanding things

What "things" did Russia demand in March 2022?

PolAmKrakow
2 May 2024  #2352

@Korvinus
You make a great point. For the eight months it took the US to get this latest package of aid approved, the MIC has been pumping out ammo and weapons the whole time at higher rates of production. New factories have already been opened and production lines have started. After 20 years of fighting in the middle east, and 50 years around the world before that, the US is never going to run out of weapons for war.

Now there are reports that Russia has used some chemical weapons that are banned. Whether its true or not, it makes for a pretty bad narrative for Vlad to defend.

Tacitus
2 May 2024  #2353

Britain in talks to join Europe's new air defence system: Grant Shapps reveals new 'Sky Shield' would shoot down missile and drone strikes from foes such as Russia amid calls for our own Iron Dome-style system

google.com/amp/s/dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13368865/amp/britain-talks-europe-new-air-defence-system.html

Great news. The Russian invasion and the attack on Israel by Iran has show how important a functioning air defence is (and how expensive). Who knows, if the UK ends up joining Sky Shield, then maybe there is still hope left that Poland might join as well.

Velund
2 May 2024  #2354

If Moscow wanted peace, they would just leave Ukraine.

Today. May 2, is 10-th anniversary of event, that make it impossible. Sort of point of no return. No "simple" peace may be possible since then. So, stop daydreaming.

Velund
2 May 2024  #2355

Ten years have passed since the tragedy at the House of Trade Unions in Odessa

On May 2, 2014, Ukrainian nationalists drove opponents of the coup d'état into a building on the city square and then set fire to it, blocking access of emergency services. Forty-two people were burned alive, and six more were killed in the street. More than 200 people were wounded.

Ten years later, Ukraine continues to mock the horrific massacre, inventing dishes with the name "Trade Union House", "Odesa-style kebab", etc.

Despite Russia's demands for an investigation into the crime, Western countries continue to ignore the tragedy in the Trade Union House and cover up for the Kiev radicals.

Crow
2 May 2024  #2356

Like ducklings

Wise people. I understand them. Who sane does not see that the USA malformed and falling in decline.

the American Abrams are withdrawing from the front, on the advice of the American advisers/allies

too late. They are already in Russia`s museum.

Tacitus
2 May 2024  #2357

@Velund

You want to talk about a massacre in 2014?

Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)[a] was a scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down by Russian-controlled forces on 17 July 2014, while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17

3 Russians and Ukrainian collaborateur have been convicted. But Russia as usually, is preventing its' criminala from facing their punishment. Utterly disgraceful.

Velund
2 May 2024  #2358

3 Russians and Ukrainian collaborateur have been convicted.

The court ignored evidence of the impossibility of the firing pattern discussed in court (including the controlled detonation of the warhead of the same missile that was supposedly used in the attack, next to the decommissioned airplane, producing very different damage pattern, compared to one that present on the wreckage).

The evidence of the possibility of the existing pattern of damage when fired from air defense systems location in area occupied by AFU was also ignored.

There will be no other discussion until there is a full review of all the circumstances and evidence by an independent court.

PS: Looks like you wish us to prepare dishes named "Warsaw style chopped kebab" in August and "Birch minced pork" in April? If it is OK for "highly democratic" ukraine, why we can't follow the same style?

mafketis
2 May 2024  #2359

of the firing pattern

I know you're russian and allergic to truth... but there are recordings of the russians yowling with glee at shooting down the plane when they thought it was russian (it was going to be a causus belli for full 2014 invasion).

keep up with the better informed (and just better) people

Velund
2 May 2024  #2360

but there are recordings

There is also recordings with "rising from deads" from Bucha that was used to put billions-worth sanction on Russia and finally break draft Istambul accords. But no official victims list, no any judically valid proofs and no responces to UN requests. Nothing at all in a result. Same as in Skripals case.

Recording of someone doing something at unknown time in unknown place is not proof.

No documented, judically correct, independently verifiable proofs - nothing to discuss. Period.

mafketis
2 May 2024  #2361

Denis Zakharov, a rare russian with a conscience and insight on the state of his country..... he says it's now essentially a death cult

twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1785952552321778075

highlights - putain never seems as satisfied as when telling a woman her son died for a good cause (him)

so there are four types in this schema...

Servants - avoid death by joining it (rebel against the death cult by killing themselves either directly or indirectly)

Butchers- fans of our 'death brigade' role (all the russians here and novi and the russian propaganda machine with simonyan and solovyov at the head)

Zombies - people who don't feel any agency even though they die and kill (russian soldiers who passively obey orders to march into death or who order strikes on civilian infrastructure)

Dreamers - people who hope death will kill the death cult (those who hope the system will die on its own without them having to make any decision includes those who fleed the country but would never dream of actually protesting the war)

A desparately degraded culture....

Crnogorac3
2 May 2024  #2362

rus

Crnogorac3
2 May 2024  #2363

Locals in Moscow react to an Australian Bushmaster on display with other NATO war trophies.

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mafketis
2 May 2024  #2364

@Crnogorac3

pictures of rusian children being indoctrinated into the national death cult....

Crnogorac3
2 May 2024  #2365

🧾

🇷🇺🇺🇦 The enemy recognizes the complete loss of Novokalinovo and Keramik, as well as parts of Arkhangelsk. The offensive of the Russian Armed Forces in the Ocheretino area continues successfully.

🇷🇺🇺🇦 Epic footage of the detonation of the ammunition of the T-64BV tank of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Artyomovsk direction.

t.me/intelslava/58813

🇺🇦 On the border with Moldova, Ukrainians abandon their cars on the highway and escape Ukraine

t.me/intelslava/58812

Velund
2 May 2024  #2366

pictures of rusian children

Hand is too hairy to be children. ;)

ROTFL concerning "death cult" though. I thought that LGBTXYZ is real death cult, because it stops reproduction. ;) ;) But looks like some creative gay invented much more complex structure, serviing as а bogeyman as well. ;)

Crnogorac3
2 May 2024  #2367

Finally: Poles Rising Up Against Moronic Ukraine Agenda - "Not Our War"

dailystormer.in/finally-poles-rising-up-against-moronic-ukraine-agenda-not-our-war/

amiga500
2 May 2024  #2368

I thought that LGBTXYZ is real death cult, because it stops reproduction. ;)

You seemed to enjoy Colonel Ivanovich's d*ck up your ass when you were serving in the russian army though, or was the only way to get your food rations?

Novichok
2 May 2024  #2369

Kremlin responds to US chemical weapons accusations
Washington's claims that Moscow is engaging in banned warfare against Ukrainian troops are baseless, Dmitry Peskov has said


Western scum, like women, lies all the time. Truth is hate speech to these bastards and depends on how one feels at the moment.
This accusation is just another version of "babies thrown out of incubators", Saddam's WMDs, and "border is secure".

Crow
2 May 2024  #2370

Finally: Poles Rising Up Against Moronic Ukraine Agenda - "Not Our War"

Good. Good. At least something for starter before open rebelion. That and Serbian love should be sufficient to save Poland from incoming Russia`s strike back at the enemies of Slavdom.


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