Poland`s aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 10

Can somebody who is not Russian post Russia's demands in March 2022?

I will be really grateful.

It is so....polish...:

dziennik-polityczny.com/2024/04/22/tochman-polskie-lotnictwo-nie-jest-w-stanie-zapewnic-bezpieczenstwa-panstwa/

To be honest, I am not a fan of the alphabet gang at all. It's still most of the straight people that does not want kids, nor wants to see sex mainly for reproduction (probably influenced by alphabet gang and depraved people in general) but as a way to feel better.

BUT

If I ought to think of any country filled with PRIDE especially vain pride, Russia, China, Iran, Turkey comes to mind... Germany used to belong to that group, not anymore thankfully. They have become really humble in many regards!

How is that connected with the Alphabet Gang?

@Bobko
Cause pride is their driving force? (To both groups)

One sees pride from their sexual identity and to share it with everyone around them, while other group sees pride from their land size, way of life, ambitions and history.

So how is it different? Cause of different Words? Different topic?

Are you talking about Poland or Russia?

@Bobko
Mainly Russia

There elements of similar pride in Poland, ill give you that. It has just very little to say in everyday politics. Believe it or not, but those people have little backing in Poland nowadays and are given empty rhetoric to stay still.

I believe you - I read Polish news quite a bit for fun.

I was just making fun of you... sorry :)

I like reading your thoughts on how things work, or how they should work. I didn't want to troll, but couldn't restrain myself.

You have an interesting mix of naïveté and actually profound ideas about the dynamics between our countries.

For example, what you recently said about both Nordics and Russians interpreting Polish moaning and crying as evidence of weak character, rather than any meaningful message - that was good.

A very good observation. I never saw it that way.

@Bobko
Polish and Norwegian cultures are more opposite to each other then that it shares much common ground.

It has taught me the perspective of both and experienced them both too.

Having an open and naive mind, gives room for others to do good (but also bad), it reveals their character to me.

So when a guy experiences that people wrongfully think of me and my thoughts and dreams. Cause they expect the worst.

Then I try to expect and hope for the best, even when there is no ground for it.

Change, especially big changes happen where you don't expect it.

See Gazprom has swung to a 5bn dollar loss LOL. Bad news not just for North Nigeria but also Schroder and other stooges in the Wesr.

Yes, I am also happy. Some people claim that sanctions don`t work. It is Russian propaganda coz they do.

They have a very limited effect, they do work, but to very little effect.

Hey, what's going on? It's 7 hours later and I am still waiting...

Can somebody tell me what Russia's demands in March 2022 were?

It is obvious you don`t know what you are talking about. Just like with your claims 2 years ago that Russians would never attack Ukraine.

Nobody remembers and nobody cares!

I can't remember Rich - something about getting rid of the Nazi Ukraine government. Honestly can't recall the other stuff

Whatever they wanted, they tried to achieve it by sending a bunch of drunk incompetent losers to capture Kiev airport in a lightning operation. How did that work out ?

@cms neuf


Worth remembering that Gazprom was once touted to become the largest company on Earth. Now it is becoming a money sink and that does not even include the investments it will need in the future to keep operating. To think that Russians - under a leader who actually cares for them - could now be closer in wealth to the UAE instead of Nigeria... .

Analysts were expecting a czarne zero - basically break even point - based on the amount of oil and gas transported. So it looks like 5 billion has disappeared into a few pockets and a few Cypriot bank accounts, stolen by people who know their favorite ATM is on the ropes.

For a more detailed analysis.

THE TRIUMPH OF HEROSTRATUS: HOW RUSSIA LOST THE ENERGY WAR AND PERMANENTLY FORFEITED ITS LEADING POSITION IN THE GLOBAL GAS MARKET

re-russia.net/en/analytics/0119/

Numbers are really not looking good. Some examples:

Russian gas is no longer needed by Europe. European consumers paid a heavy price in 2022 and early 2023, but now it is the turn of the Russian state and Russian citizens to pay, deprived of export revenues that sometimes reached $20-30 billion a year. The Russian gas industry is facing an 'existential threat,' according to Skoltech's report 'The Transformation of Russia's Gas Export Strategy'. In 2022, the country's gas production fell 11.7% to 673.8 billion cubic metres, while Gazprom's production fell 20% to 412.6 billion cubic metres. In the first half of 2023, the company further reduced production by almost 25%.

In 2006, Gazprom was the third largest company in the world in terms of capitalisation, at about $250 billion. Its management declared its intention to lead the company to the top position and eventually reach a capitalisation value of $1 trillion. By the end of the second year of the war in Ukraine, Gazprom's value on the Moscow Exchange had fallen to 3.85 trillion rubles, or $42 billion. Putin and Miller have managed to almost completely destroy the most profitable part of the Soviet and Yeltsin-era gas legacy.

China won't be Gazprom's saviour either

Forecasts for China's energy development suggest that demand will continue to grow until 2040, and then, after a period of stability, it will begin to decline, with gas trade between Russia and China ceasing by 2060. But, if Beijing accelerates its transition to renewables, which is highly likely given the development of new technologies, this trajectory may be even shorter. Vakulenko notes that this is a fundamental difference from the situation in the 1960s and 1980s, when the prospects for gas demand growth looked limitless. It is for this reason that China is demonstrating a lack of interest in financing the construction of the gas pipeline.

Russia is really fu*ed. Without the war there might still be alternatives, but the costs of the leave it little room. Maybe Putin will be fortunate enough to live long enough to have some limited success in Ukraine and die early enough to leave the horrific consequences of his reign to his successor. That is all he can hope for at this point.

I remember and I care.
The FSB learned in September 2021 that Ukraine was planning to launch a nuclear attack on Moscow and St. Petersburg in May 2022.
Russia gave Ukraine an ultimatum to turn over the nukes by November 31. Ukraine refused so Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022.
Why Z would choose to lose 500,000 men instead of nukes is still a mystery. Sources say that Z didn't have any nukes and that the FSB was wrong just as the US was wrong about Saddam's WMDs.

The entire white man's civilisation is really fu*ked.

Abortionists who are worse than nazis and commies put together (50 million children are murdered in abortion every year - nazis and commies never even got close to such yearly numbers) are pushing their bloodthirsty agenda everywhere, wokism, political correctness and cancel culture are commiting gangbang rape on common sense every day, and "climate neutrality" retardness will end up in destroyed economy and mass poverty.

Putin and his shock-and-awe blitzkrieg *rolls eyes* are the smallest of our problems.

Yeah, granting women controle over her body and more consideration for minorities are the real threats to the West right now... . Not the wannabe Peter the Great who is bombing cities only a few hours drive away from Berlin. Not a resurgent China. Not the big elephant in the room, climate change.

Get your priorities straight.

First, when you say Europe you mean EU. That is incorrect. EU isn`t Europe. EU is part of Europe. Now, I don`t know are you aware but that gas that didn`t go to EU is only a fraction of amount of gas needed by India that now industrialize. I won`t even go in needs of other parts of the world.

Tell me, media in you country speak of it. Right? Or they speak of green agenda and all that? See, they must. They have to create illusion how is all fine, while we all see how world goes Multi-Polar.


No. Dominance of western Europe and the USA is over. Really over.

Novi even by North Nigerian standards that is a crazy tbeory.

Why didn't they raise that at the UN - where unfortunately they have a permanent seat on the security council (though that will also be fixed after the defeat of North Nigeria)

pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/04/27/7453222/

Russia demanded neutrality from Ukraine, and a limit on the number of troops, weapons, equipment and aircraft. The then-occupied territories were to remain with Russia. Also that Ukraine make Russian the second state language, lift mutual sanctions and stop lawsuits in international courts. Kyiv also had to ban "fascism, Nazism and aggressive nationalism" in Ukraine.

It was much worse than what Bolsheviks demanded to Finland after they invaded them and comited a lot of atrocities there.

Who gives two FSs what they demand? They need to win that war to have their demands met.
@Novochock
Simple. Stop advocating for totlitrin Russian sick civilization. you should be put against the wall and shot.

WTF? And when exactly I have done such a thing? I already posted and discussed multiple times.
Ukraine would't agreed to this insane demands.
First, communism killed much more than fascism and "aggressive nationalism". Only holodomor killed more than Hitler and Mussolini combined. Second, limitations on weapons and the means to defend UA would't be respected by Russia and only serve as casus belli when(not if) RU decides to break the deal again. Third, leting the bully to get away is encouraging more bully. No one in Ukraine would have signed such awful atrocious deal!!

Torq, that post was brilliant and a summary of why whites are on the way out and as Exhibit A that it is possible to be educated and stupid like a brick.

Today, whites are like that genius who discovered the law of gravity and jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge to prove how smart he is.


Any one of the 500,000 dead would.

You would.

As a reminder, Illinois doesn't have nukes and we are fine.

Have you asked them? I would die defending my God-given right to call srussians 'nig*gers.' Back the f*uck off, pinko.

Memo to "better dead than red" morons:

Hey, azholes, I lived in "communist" Poland till I left in 1966 when I was 24. Now my problem is that my money will outlive me.
Really depressing...having everything...and nothing more to buy...
I should have killed some "communists" in Poland and made this world a better place...


Some things don't need to be asked and said. We call it here instinct of self-preservation. Over time, we discovered that dead people are useless.