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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 12



Alien
17 Jun 2024  #241

The US Congress debates upper limits

Would they also agree that the war would take place from Monday to Friday, from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., with breaks for breakfast and lunch, with Saturday and Sunday off, of course?

Novichok
17 Jun 2024  #242

I have no idea...

It's a fair answer. The US Congress was created to spend money and men. This makes my question valid.

Alien, GFY. In wars, people are dying, you moron, so take your Polish sense of humor and have fun with another clown like you

Novichok
17 Jun 2024  #243

Memo to NKVD: Never apologize for executing Polish morons and clowns.

jon357
17 Jun 2024  #244

It is fairly obvious sanctions failed yet again

They haven't though. And the loopholes that r*SSia uses are being closed one by one. It won't ever be perfect, however. It is necessary and as the money is sequestration, will provide revenue for Ukraine.

And meanwhile, r*SSia is having to offload hydrocarbons at fire sale prices to India and China, while begging for low quality weapons from North Korea.

Alien
18 Jun 2024  #245

sense of humor and have fun with another clown

Like you? Because you have to have a lot of humor to think that wars are waged up to some predetermined limit of expenses and human losses set by Congress.

dannytoro1
18 Jun 2024  #246

Russian Defense production has increased, not decreased. Sanctions always have plenty of work arounds. And not only is Russia making new equipment, they are fielding new technology.

On the Adivka front they have live fire tested the world's first no man in the loop AI target recognition guided Loitering Air Munition version of Lancet.

T-90M's, BMP-3/4's all feature new, built in 4 band Anti-drone systems.

S-500 finally rolled out into combat, ready to greet F-16's with the rest of the many SAM's

They fielded a new 152mm autoloading self propelled platform.

Simple glide bomb kits have grown to include 1500kg Thermobaric bombs and increased range by added rocket sustainers increasing range out of Patriot's reach.

M1 Abrams have been destroyed by $500 quadcopters numerous times now. More then 1/4 of the Abrams are gone now. Numerous battles have seen Ukrainians brutally beaten back by hordes of FPV suicide drones Russian commanders have integrated into platoon level. No waiting for artillery needed now.

And none of this even touches the sad lack of men willing to fight for NATO's wet dream war. The BBC just did an eye opening report on the embarrassing situation of conscription teams hunting people down, sometimes beating them.

mafketis
18 Jun 2024  #247

the sad lack of men willing to fight f

Unlike russia that tricks mental patients into becoming fertilizer in Ukraine?

x.com/victoriaslog/status/1802067808064295302

jon357
18 Jun 2024  #248

Sanctions always have plenty of work arounds

The point is forcing the miscreants into having to find 'work arounds'. And then upping the ante so they have to find others.

NATO's wet dream war

You mean r*SSia's illegal and unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. Their "three day special operation" that has taken them 2 years to gain 20km at the cost of half a million dead orcs.

minusrus.com/en

And now, they're being drive back away from Kharkiv, again with huge orc losses.
theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/18/ukraine-war-briefing-fightback-against-russian-advance-in-kharkiv

Bobko
18 Jun 2024  #249

Simple glide bomb kits have grown to include 1500kg Thermobaric bombs and increased range by added rocket sustainers

Glide bomb kits are a good example of the cost differences between American and Russian weapons.

The American Joint Direct Attack Munition (or JDAM) is a guidance kit that turns "dumb bombs" into "smart bombs", by giving them wings and GPS guidance.

From the moment they began to be delivered to US forces in the late 1990s, they've been somewhat of an object of envy in Russia.

The per unit cost charged by Boeing for each kit is between $20K and $80K, depending on the amount ordered by the Department of Defense.

Source: defensenews.com/air/2024/05/28/boeing-wins-75-billion-contract-from-us-air-force-for-guided-bombs/#:~:text=The%20per%2Dunit%20cost%20of,Force%20buys%20in%20a%20year.

The number above does not include the cost of the bomb itself.

Meanwhile, the manufacturer of Russia's glide bombs states that the average cost of a 1,000lb "dumb" bomb is around $3,200, and that the UMPK guidance kit adds a further 20-30% to it.

So Russian glide bombs cost anywhere from 4 times cheaper, to 16 times cheaper than American ones (this doesn't even include the actual American bomb).

As you can see in the pictures below (first two Russian, last two American), the Russia glide kit is crudely made, from simple materials, with poor welding, and pretty terrible aerodynamics. It's probably less reliable than the JDAMs are as well... but who cares when they are so cheap?


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Alien
18 Jun 2024  #250

differences between American and Russian weapons.

The most important thing is not the price, but whether they reach their destination and explode.

Bobko
18 Jun 2024  #251

whether they reach their destination and explode.

If you send enough, you don't need to worry about accuracy. Laws of probability work in your favor.

Same with Russian artillery.

At the same time, news reports indicate America stopped supplying Ukraine with the guided Excalibur 155mm shells for artillery, because they constantly miss now due to electronic countermeasures.

Each Excalibur shell costs $100,000, but its advantage was supposed to be that you only need one of them to hit a target, while you could need 8-12 Russian "dumb shells" to accomplish the same job.

This "wunderwaffe" doesn't work anymore.

Now, remember that a Russian "dumb shell" only costs $800 to make. Hahahaha.

Alien
18 Jun 2024  #252

Now, remember that a Russian "dumb shell" only costs $800 to make. Hahahaha.

I heard that NASA spent millions on developing a pen that doesn't leak ink in weightlessness. The Russians took a pencil for a ruble for this purpose. Well, Americans have a patent, Russians have a pencil.

Bobko
18 Jun 2024  #253

Well, Americans have a patent, Russians have a pencil.

Germans had Tiger tanks (Leopard), Panzerfausts (Javelins), Messerschmitts (F-16), and very educated and very disciplined soldiers.

There is on YouTube a famous secretly recorded conversation between Hitler and Eternal Traitor Mannerheim. There Hitler tells Mannerheim about his shock at learning that the Russians had nearly recovered after Germany destroyed TENS OF THOUSANDS of tanks in the first actions of the war.

You should really listen to it.

Russian weapons are designed with one purpose in mind - to win wars.

Here is the recording: youtu.be/oET1WaG5sFk?si=RHrQtI74OwROh_XD

CMS Neuf and Korvinus sound a lot like Hitler sounds in this recording.

Bratwurst Boy
18 Jun 2024  #254

....the Russians had nearly recovered after Germany destroyed TENS OF THOUSANDS of tanks in the first actions of the war.

Reminds me :)

reddit.com/r/polandball/comments/1d4k8vm/soviet_chess/


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Bobko
18 Jun 2024  #255

@Bratwurst Boy

In Russian we say, «Голь на выдумку хитра». It means, "poverty necessitates a certain cleverness".

We are much poorer, much less advanced than you are. It has always been so throughout our history. It means we have to be inventive if we want to beat you :)

Bratwurst Boy
18 Jun 2024  #256

"poverty necessitates a certain cleverness".

True....as does any rivalry!

Maybe Russia becoming the new common enemy (again) will lead Europe and the West back onto a better, more successful part....

*now back to the thread topic*

cms neuf
18 Jun 2024  #257

The pencil story has been debunked many times. Typical Facebook crap.

Honestly what kind of spaceship would you like to ride on ? a NASA one or a North Nigerian ?

Bobko you are making even less sense than normal

If your weapons are better and you have 3x as many men why can't the North Nigerians advance more than a few km ?

What wars have you won apart from beating the North Ossetians ?

If your weapons are good and cheap why does nobody want to want to buy them any more ? Exports have fallen off a cliff, even to other turd world dictators

Why are the North Nigerians begging starving Koreans and muslim fundamentalists for weapons ?

Who cares what your wartime ally Hitler said - ancient history, just like your tanks

Bobko
18 Jun 2024  #258

Exports have fallen off a cliff

Through sanctions, duh. It's why I said - if sanctions don't get lifted, arms exports may stay flat.

What wars have you won apart from beating the North Ossetians ?

We beat an internal insurgency in Russia - in Chechnya.

We beat GEORGIA - not North Ossetia.

We defeated ISIS in Syria.

We defended "our guy" in Libya, and he's still pretty well positioned to head up their government.

We defeated a bunch of different rebel groups in Central Africa.

We're currently effectively resisting a huge Western coalition.

These are just updates post-1991.

If you'd like, I could tell you about other people we beat too, but it may take several hours or days.

cms neuf
18 Jun 2024  #259

India and China ignore sanctions but don't want to buy your weapons. Sanctions is not the reason because most turd worlders ignore them.

Anyway, the exports were already falling before sanctions

Novichok
18 Jun 2024  #260

Sanctions is not the reason because most turd worlders ignore them.

That wasn't nice...Poland a turd country...Shame on you...Quoting:

In total, in 2023, Poland exported $6.5 billion worth of goods to Russia and Belarus. Imports from these countries stood at $3.1 billion, 50% of which were of fuel.

Did Poland trade with Germany during WW2 to keep those crematoria running 24/7 in Auschwitz?

How is "blood money" in Polish?

cms neuf
18 Jun 2024  #261

3 billion to North Nigeria - pharmaceuticals the biggest category.

Exports to the aggressors fell 90 percent since 2022.

Shamefully there are plenty of Polish sanction busters working through Kazakhstan though the govt is clamping down on them now after a high profile scandal.

Novichok
18 Jun 2024  #262

If you'd like, I could tell you about other people we beat too,

My heart beats faster with joy when I read how Russia gets Western "democracies" kicked out of Africa.

In the meantime, since your Russian friends left you alone among hyenas, I have those three gifts for you to feel better...

That woman is Russian. She knows how to define a woman. American ugly bit*ches are not sure.



I can listen to this magnificent anthem over and over...And Putin...A man's man, a patriot, a leader...Look at him and then Biden...




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jon357
18 Jun 2024  #263

Exports to the aggressors fell 90 percent since 2022.

Very good.

I see that another r*SSian oil terminal has been destroyed by Ukrainian missiles. More good news.

cms neuf
18 Jun 2024  #264

Has Putler visited Crocus yet ?

dannytoro1
18 Jun 2024  #265

@jon357
It is cute you seem unaware Oil Refineries and Terminals are designed to handle fires. It is very doubtful any oil facility was destroyed.

Not so much for the apparent Ukrainian Command base hit yesterday by numerous Iskanders. You can not get those command staff and NATO advisors back. They are gone.

When you **** around with a Peer enemy on their front doorstep; you should consider numerous Russians live in Ukraine and provide spy information. Another reason why this war is stupid

And here are the new conscripts Ukraine is throwing out on the line. Surrendering their never fired rifles:

bitchute.com/video/TW8Y67tYpcNz/

jon357
18 Jun 2024  #266

@dannytoro1
It's cute that you do t know the difference between a fire and a major missile attack, putting it out of action for the foreseeable.

can not get those command staff and NATO advisors back. They are gone.

How many are confirmed dead? None, though the r*SSian command HQ at Luhansk was flattened this weekend...

When you **** around with a Peer enemy on their front doorstep

So r*SSia shouldn't have tried...

you should consider numerous Russians live in Ukraine and provide spy information

And even more Ukrainians live in r*SSia and do the same...

Bobko
18 Jun 2024  #267

numerous Russians live in Ukraine and provide spy information

In an environment where nearly the entire front is under constant surveillance by loitering UAVs to a depth of 20-30 kms , it's not so important what some civilian may post on social media or relay to Russian handlers.

If you listen to the people on the front, they say that they see literally EVERYTHING. Every movement, whether by IFVs, tanks, motorcycles, atvs, or even dismounted infantry moving through dense foliage in the dead of the night.

The determining factor is more... (1) do we have enough munitions to target this grouping (2) do we have authorization from higher command (3) is someone else already targeting this group?

Tacitus
18 Jun 2024  #268

How the mighty have fallen. Putin goes to North Korea, begging for old ammunition from the Stalinist concentration camp. All those concessions to China and North Korea in order to continue the ruinous war.... .

edition.cnn.com/2024/06/18/asia/north-korea-russia-putin-visit-intl-hnk/index.html

pawian
18 Jun 2024  #269

It is cute you seem unaware Oil Refineries and Terminals are designed to handle fires. It is very doubtful any oil facility was destroyed.

Not designed well enough if the production capacity of oil refineries decreased by 10-15% in recent months. :):):)

And not only is Russia making new equipment, they are fielding new technology.

Yes, new technology based on microchips from washing machines and fridges Russians stole in Ukraine. hahahaha

S-500 finally rolled out into combat, ready to greet F-16's with the rest of the many SAM's

One piece only. How long do you think it will take Ukrainians to take it out with their Western missiles??? :):):

Besides, there isn`t the rest of SAMs coz Russians lose a few each week.

pawian
18 Jun 2024  #270

bitchute.com/

You smell like another worker of Kremlin troll factory. :):):)


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