Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

Well you would say that wouldn't you...

Mostly fresh conscripts who will be double cannon fodder for Ukrainian heroes.
Double means more than normal.


How long? Coz the offensive is developing and new territory is liberated by Ukrainians every day. :):):) Currently, the number of Russians evacuated from the region amounts to 100.000. What if it reaches 200.000 or more?

This is a good question. For the moment, it seems Ukraine's advance has stalled. If the amount of territory stays relatively small - like this - then I think it can be tolerated for a long time.

You're either a little out of date or misinformed.

Remind me, Pawian - how much Russian territory was taken by the Wehrmacht in 1941? 1942? "Slightly" more than what Ukrainians have taken now, wasn't it? Did it force Russia to surrender?

Brave Ukrainian heroes. They fight for their country well. So well that sometimes I feel inclined to forget the past. Forgetting is a difficult task though.

In any case, this heroic-and-legendary Kursk offensive may only speed up the Ukrainian defeat as Russia will now be forced to get their fingers out and stop fighting a half-arsed war. It is definitely going to be interesting to watch but, meanwhile, I would start reinforcing the eastern border - including, and maybe especially, the Ukrainian part.

I keep forgetting that Torq left. Must ask the mods to delete the account and leave only this one.

@GefreiterKania

I must admit Kania is a better name.

Agree with you, that next weeks will be interesting. Somebody will have to blink first.

If Russia blinks first and begins rotating people massively out of Donetsk - then we can call this a Ukrainian victory.

If Russia calls Ukraine's bluff, and continues to largely ignore the situation in Kursk, forcing Ukraine to commit to an entrenchment and start organizing supply lines for those additional kilometers of frontline - then I think this is a big f*ck up.

If Ukraine suddenly declares that it has "achieved all its initial goals" and pulls back to the other side of the border with most of its forces still intact... I think we can call that a neutral to slightly negative result. They humiliated Putin, raised the spirits of Western donors, but also lost lots of armor and men in the process (along with large swathes of Donetsk Oblast).

Who is talking about surrender??? Show us this poster! Ha!!!


Yes, I know, in the deep nooks and crannies of your soul you still bear a grudge against Ukrainians coz their ancestors from Bandera killing squads murdered some of your family.


Stop reading comments by German experts on Onet who predict the quicker defeat of Ukraine now. :):):):) They are harmful to your psyche visibly. :):):)


Don`t be silly. Get a grip and keep both accounts coz it is amusing. Not amasing but really amusing. :):):)

Polish donors maybe. The westerners are a cowardly bunch - they will probably be less inclined to donate weapons now, for fear of further escalation.


It would be easier for me not to bear a grudge if it wasn't for the monuments, streets, stadium, portraits of the murderes etc.; it would be even easier if it wasn't for those thousands of our own, still deprived of proper Christian burial. Do I not have a right to bear a grudge, Pawian? Why would you deny me my holy right of grudge bearing?


Don't get me started on German experts. I am simply using my amateur strategist skills to predict the future.

Yes, you have but it is nonsensical. Polish citizens erect monuments to Polish murderers of other nationalities or ethnic groups. We talked about it in cursed soldiers thread. Don`t you understand that karma always returns and your demand for Ukrainian atonement is futile as long as Poland honours her murderers ?????????????????????


Sigh!!! Thanks. Now I won`t be bothered any more. :):):)

Kania, is everything all right???

russians are disposable.... no wonder Ukrainians don't want to be russian..... what will you do when you're disposable?


Who's responsible for more Polish deaths.... some Ukrainian guy who was never in a government or Saint Joseph...

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Nope.

The concept of Karma is destroyed by the very existence of Germany in its current shape and form. If Karma was real, then for all the blood, suffering and tears that Germans caused, the Bundesrepublik Deutschland would resemble Somalia or South Sudan today. The fact that it's a rich and thriving country destroys the idea of Karma completely.

If anyone mentions karma to me, I say 'Germany' and they shut up (if they're wise).


Perfectly all right. And don't underestimate my strategic prowess. :)


Bandera? F*ck him. Devils are using his anus mercilessly in hell every single day and will continue to do so for eternity. But it wasn't just him. It wasn't just OUN-UPA. It was Ukrainians - our neighbours, co-workers, friends etc. who did the slaughtering. If only it was just Bandera!

But this thread is not about my rightful grudges. Let's get back on topic.

They met their instant Karma in 1945 and later. And afterwards Goddess forgave them. Ha!


I am but I never do. :):):)


I meant your unusual agitation undermined with certain melancholy undertone.:):):)

Amen. God is Great!

oh la la. Time to go to my Jap sumo wrestler mattress. :):):)

Germany perhaps. They are often cravenly self-seeking and underhanded.


I was in Istanbul last week and was watching r*ssians behaving appallingly. Something not quite human about it, as if they think that the normal rules of behaviour don't apply to them.

@Maf
Have you seen the music thread? I made a couple of posts last night and had you partly in mind when I made them since I know you like that particular composer too.

Not in 1945 and definitely not later. Unless you consider showering them with dollars, rebuilding their power and wealth, whilst allowing countless nazis, who never answered for their war crimes, to live lives of respected citizens all over Germany to be proper karma.


God forgives. It's his job. But he also punishes. It's also his job.

Unfortunately, the punishment is usually left for the afterlife.


I am Slavic, melancholy is my element.

@GefreiterKania

This idea of Germany acting as living proof that karma does not exist is an interesting one. I never thought about it that way. It does make sense.

Hey, stupid, do you know now how many civilians died in Ukraine since Feb 2022?

11,520 vs 4,500,000 in K, V, I, and A.

Yes, I know, Putin is a dictator who doesn't give a damn about human life...
Western "democracies", on the other hand,...

Thank you.

Pawian thinks I'm mad but when the wind is southerly, I know a hawk from a handsaw and all that.

If you mean Donbass, then they are the aggressor. Donbass is in Russia now because the citizens of Donbass want it that way. You know...self-determination...freedom to decide...

They fight because they have no choice. Give them a job and a place to live in Nebraska and then we will talk about those Ukrainian heroes.

Yeah, like in this old joke about an Indian chieftain, his Russian prisoner, and an AK-47 hidden in a backpack. *sighs*

Gotta catch some z's. Good night, everyone.

500,000 Ukrainians are dead because they didn't get the memo about who owns Donbass.

It's Russia. No, Donbass will never belong to Ukraine just as Western Poland will never belong to Germany.

How do you know?


It's Ukraine.


It's Donbas.

Na ja...it's only half of what it once was....is that no Karma?

Why do you guys talk like chicks? Karma? What's next? Palm reading and psychics?

...ja....I'm not a fan of "Karma" either...especially not when humans decide what is what...that can only go wrong!

Life is consequences and probabilities.

Excellent point of historical reference I wasnt thinking about.

Russia now said to be preparing to mobilize another 200K men by the end of the year. Ukraine simply cant keep up with the manpower disadvantage. While this invasion and taking of Russian land looks good to the pundits, it really is quite small. I saw a comparison made with Russian possession of Ukraine land compared with the Ukraine possession done on a map of Texas, and Ukraines moves are barely measurable. If they cannot hold the land, it could prove to be a very costly move.

Na ja....since the "operation to liberate Ukraine from the Nazis" was loudly thought about over in six weeks in Moscow now said Ukraine occupying russian territory, even as small as it is, after two years of fierce resistance, seems to me a huge thing....maybe even a turning point!

Ukraine could become Putin's Vietnam....and I doubt the Russians will accept losers ruling them. If Putin can't hold down puny Ukrainians he is done for, mark my words!

Even peace talks could be his end...then there were no plans for any talks with a strong, surviving Kiev...only a huge victory parade of the russian forces!