Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13

Heartbreaking to see those parents disowning their son - what a screwed up culture

@GefreiterKania


The Polish government confirmed the validity of the waiver multiple times, including in 2004.

In 2004 the Polish government, as a part of a political deal with Germany, confirmed the renouncement made in 1953. This was done after German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder stated in Warsaw that Germany would not pursue the claims of private persons whose property was expropriated after 1945 when Poland received former German lands.

notesfrompoland.com/2022/09/09/the-legal-questions-behind-polands-claim-for-war-reparations-from-germany/

Not that this last confirmation was necessary from a legal point, but back then it was a good way to use it in order put other grievances - like compensation of expelled Germans - to rest as well.

Trying to open those settled issues more than 80 years is incredibly stupid and short-shighted, even if war had not returned to Europe. Then again, the previous government usually acted hardly rational when dealing with Berlin

Would you be able to link an actual official document (in German or in Polish) which states that? Like the document that I linked from 2004, in which Polish parliament rejected the waiver.


Rationality is also not exactly what Berlin displayed in various issues (including immigration, "green" policies, and attitude towards Putin's regime) but what I said in #819 stands. I am against Poland pursuing the reparations.

You are a clueless wimp. It doesn't work like that. If you want to be taken seriously you need to play the rules of the game.
Giving up is not a good policy. What about the losses we incurred in the East? Oh just give up! WTF?
Germany needs to pay for destroyed property outside actual combat. while Poland was occupied by Germany.

Germans were crying about Dresden but the Allies who took over Germany weren't wantonly destroying property and killing civilian population after the war. That is what we are talking about.
They are shameless for trying to avoid it.

Did you actually read what I said in the thread today or do you just quote one sentence and immediately start shooting out of your arse?


And how do you plan to force them to do that? And what would the cost of such enforcement be? Do you want the money so much that nothing else matters? Do you take anything else into account (geopolitical situation, future relations, balance and safety)?


Yes, but they have their own problems and reparations in the amount requested by Poland would ruin them. Do we want to ruin our ally? Yes, they should figure out the way without calling it reparations - maybe something similar to what BB and I agreed upon? But they are not willing to. So what are we going to do? Ruin the relations with our largest trade partner? Destabilise the western flank whilst we have fire on the eastern one?

Also, Scholz's visit to Poland was a slap in the face. A slap in the face that we took without complaining (a disgrace for Tusk). But what do we do, Iron? Stubbornly demand $1.3 trillion (or whatever the final sum is supposed to be) or do we stop pursuing reparations and negotiate some other sort of compensation (a set of special rules for Poland within the EU, beneficial preferences for energy production and transport etc.)? Do we fight for all and win nothing? Or do we win as much as we realistically can in the given circumstances?

who have you voted for and why your vote for PSL meant voting for Tusk? and what do you expect of Tusk: defending Polish energy sector?, defending Polish rednecks who won't be able to buy a vehicle because of idiotic EU rules? are we living on the same planet?

I am more inclined to believe Tusk will sell Polish interests and agree to new EU governing rules that will include no veto powers of member states on important issues more than anything else - if you don't than I admire your naivety

I voted Trzecia Droga because PSL was a part of it, and I always vote for PSL (for the reasons I mentioned many times).

I hoped that TD would be a good conservative factor (Hołownia, after all, posed as a Catholic - he fooled me) in the new government, limiting Tusk's and the Left's options of causing too much damage. They disappointed me. Unfortunately, it is now evident that TD is a failure, with Hołownia abandoning Catholicism (without openly admitting it) and Kosiniak-Kamysz having the character strength of a footrest.

The only viable way for the Polish Right to survive is to unite, under the helm of people like Marek Sawicki and Marek Jurek, the conservative patriotic elements of Konfederacja, PSL and PiS (minus the f*cking thieves who used the past 8 years to fill their pockets and who should rot in jail). If BB is right and the EU indeed abandons neomarxism and green khmerism in the near future, there is still hope for Europe. If not...

name one or two of these, please

We already had this conversation, hadn't we? If you are still willing to cling to your crystal clear PiS fantasy, then by all means knock yourself out but forgive me if I raise my brows, roll my eyes and yawn.

@GefreiterKania


Sorry, I am not going to look up government documents in Polish since I wouldnt even know where to start looking for them. The articles I have read mentioned that the Polish government confirmed the validity of the waver on the 19th October 2004. That was just a nice gesture though, giving Schröder something that he can point to domestically as compensation for not supporting the claim of the expelled Germans. Legally speaking the issue was closed when the Polish government confirmed the validity of the waver during the negotiations of the treaty of Warsaw in 1970.


No disagreements there, but I'd argue they were never done out of pure spite to the detriment of one's own country. Just remember that whole Patriot debacle after a rocket killed two Poles. As I seem to recall, it was one of the few times even many PiS voters thought that initial Polish response was too spiteful.

Ukraine launches 'largest ever' drone attack on Moscow after Russia 'bombs Ukrainian children's cafe'...
Good move, Mr. Z.

I am sure Russians will soon be on their knees begging for forgiveness and demanding immediate withdrawal from the new Russian territories.

Forgiveness is not enough. They have to pay reparations for everything. If they don`t, they can kiss godbye to sanctions lifting and restoring normal trade with the West. . hahahaha

@pawian
Sanctions against Russia wont be removed for decades. The only hope for a real resolution is a removal of the democrats from office in the US.

In other news, from Proletarsk... the oil depot fire that's been going on for a few days reacted to the visit of priests with ikons....

It done blowed up again!

x.com/Tendar/status/1826332814067003543

They should have called Braun with a fire extinguisher.

Start practicing. Otherwise, there is a serious risk that Russian reparations will not fit in your mouth, which is accustomed to a well-groomed but much thinner Anglo-Saxon cock. ;)

And there were rumors that those who turned out to be too specialized for the british dick would be put on the list for Katynization as totally useless in the future slavic gene pool.

There are no more Democrats, that party is now known as the Communist Party.
Just tonight on t.v. Trump said that if Commilia is elected that there will be a WW3.
biden has us very close now.

russians will finance Ukraine's ammunition purchases. A very sensible decision. 😀

more russsian sexual perversion.... I expect nothing but aggression and sexual deviancy from russians....

'russian tourist' has mounted a challenge to 'florida man' as (perpetrator of insane dysfunctional sh[t)

From Thailand (which brings out the best in russians)

guy tried to rape a cow (cow defended itself)

x.com/EPICGOPFAIL/status/1722232250912391344

guy climbs up on a pagoda (after fighitng monks) and jumps off..... with unaliving results

x.com/intermarium24/status/1677838270393204736

A few months ago a naked guy was greating people in Thailand with traditional russian politeness (suka bljat) and then engaging in spontaneous martial arts exhibitions

x.com/EPICGOPFAIL/status/1722232250912391344

Ukrainian drones hit russian marinovka airfield near volgograd.... russian spectator, inspired by the sight, recites a poem by pushkin...

x.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1826554097262068182

Wow...that looks heavy!!!!

Thank you and thank Goddess for this. Now I can die at peace. :):):)


I see the Kremlin is paying you to antagonise Russians and Poles/Polesses even more. :):):)

In vain. Most Poles/ Polesses know there are also decent Russians who can be good partners for us if the Kremlin gangsters are gone. While we reject iimperial Russian scum like you.TFFFFUUUUU!!!! hahahaha

Russian Intelligence: Poland Planned Ukraine's Offensive in Kursk
Poland, the US and the UK were to create a plan for a Ukrainian offensive on the Kursk region, claims the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR).
AmasSSSSSing!!!

How I wish it was true. Later they would write in history books how Poland saved Ukraine from imperial Russians.
For your freedom and ours! That`s the Polish motto!!!

The timing of the US approving the use of its weapons in Russia for military targets, and this invasion do suggest US involvement. And if it is true and found out before this war ends could escalate things. And if that happens I hope Poland was not involved because the likelyhood of retaliation in Poland would be pretty high.

Need any friendly help in this?


... in an attempt to repeat the work of Prometheus before the past partition, approved the future final partition and liquidation of its statehood in order to finally stop the destructive influence of the Polish "elite" that completely sold itself to the Anglo-Saxons on the peace and prosperity in Eastern Europe.

Why are imperial Russians such obsessive murderers?? No wonder Ukraine and other countries of the region wish Russia to say away as far as possible from them.


:):):) During previous partitions, Polish elites led by the King betrayed Poland and chose the Russian rule.

Now the elites are pro Western so why should there by any partitions?? It is illogical.

Is this another description of what the Ukrainians are doing with russian military airports and oil refineries?

Ukraine hits an oil ferry in kavkaz (krasnodar region of russia)

x.com/nexta_tv/status/1826631140649644414

Dane moves to russia because he lurves putin and hates Europe....

hilarity ensues....

x.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1826590355719967123

Russia will win this war because CDL is Russia. Walking away from CDL is not an option - just as the Red Army (I love you guys) not taking Berlin was not an option.

From now on it's only a question of how many men will die before it's over.

Since the outcome is already known, anybody who helps Ukraine to continue its aggression in Donbass is morally a war criminal.

Mission Impossible No 8!!!


Morally you are a traitor and should be hanged by your balls in the Market Square! Ha!!!