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Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 13



Bobko
25 Jul 2024  #181

Russians don`t have enough people

Col. Gen. Syrsky, the Ukrainian military's commander in chief - gave his first interview a few days back. It was to The Guardian.

He said some important things there, that people have been trying to confirm for a long time.

Perhaps the most important thing, was he confirmed that Russia invaded with a force of 100,000 men. He says this number is now north of 500,000 - and by year end could reach 690,000.

The number of tanks has doubled since Feb 24, 2022. The number of artillery systems has tripled.

So while you folks continue writing here about Russia running out of weapons or men, the people there are stating that the trend is in the opposite direction.

Two days ago, the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe said that in 5-7 years Russia will be ready for a war with NATO. Again, a very strange thing to say if Russia is running out of everything.

Bottom line: there's going to be almost 7X more men on the front by the end of this year, than there were in the initial invasion.

Large and capable reserve formations are being assembled in the rear. The same cannot be said about Ukraine, which has to move units from one sector of the front to another in order to "put out fires".

Thank you Guardian!

P.S. - Another strange conclusion emerging from Syrski's numbers, is that Ukraine cannot possibly be killing 1,000 Russians per day. For a long time, they claimed that Russia loses 1,000 per day, but also recruits 30,000 per month. In other words - Russia could replace losses, but not much more. These projections of Russia going from 520K to 690K within a year, show that Russian losses are either much smaller than claimed, or recruitment is much more successful than they argue.


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pawian
25 Jul 2024  #182

The number of tanks

You mean T-54 tanks from 1940/50s?? hahaha Even if Russians triple their amount, it won`t be enough.

his number is now north of 500,000 .

Tell us the numbers for Ukrainian army and then decide if your imperial army is enough or not to conquer Ukraine. We are waiting. :):):)

that in 5-7 years Russia will be ready for a war with NATO

With sanctions on? Impossible. Such war mongering is positive after all coz it propels lazy societies to act, namely, spend more on the military. You want peace? Prepare for War!

Bobko
25 Jul 2024  #183

Tell us the numbers for Ukrainian army

The Ukrainians claim they have 900,000-1,000,000 men. This is across the army, navy, Air Force, border guards, national guard, SBU, GRU, Ministry of Internal Affairs, and various paramilitary formations.

The problem for Ukraine is, they have to protect their northern border to prevent another attack on Kiev, Chernigov, or Sumy. They also have to protect their Western borders to prevent incursions from Transdnistria. They have to maintain innumerable check points within the country. Perhaps up to 50% of Ukraine's deployed manpower cannot be placed at the front.

What is crazy to me, is that our wild plan nearly succeeded with just 100,000 men. If Biden didn't leak our plans to them, and they were not able to prevent the paratroopers securing Hostomel - Kiev would have fallen.

This is what nobody wants to discuss - just how close Russia was to succeeding with a force of just 100,000.

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #184

You mean T-54 tanks from 1940/50s?? hahaha

Yes, hahahaha.

On July 16, 2024, BTVT reported that the Russian Armed Forces deployed a new batch of T-54 tanks from military storage, which were spotted at the Uzunovo station on the Paveletsky direction of the Moscow Railway. This deployment reflects Russia's increasing use of older military hardware to continue its conflict in Ukraine, where it has suffered substantial tank losses totaling 2,891 units as of July 22, 2024. These losses have included various modern tank models, leading to the use of T-54 tanks, originally developed in 1945.

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #185

The Ukrainians claim they have 900,000-1,000,000 men. Perhaps up to 50% of Ukraine's deployed manpower cannot be placed at the front.

This means 450.000 soldiers at the front. You have just bragged imperial Russians have 500.000 in Ukraine.

Think hard and tell us what you can do with it :):):)

our wild plan nearly succeeded

Exactly! Just like Hitler`s plan to conquer the USSR nearly succeeded. But, the heroism of patriotic people prevailed. Ukrainians fight for freedom and independence coz they don`t want to live in barbaric Russia. And the free world is helping them.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Jul 2024  #186

But, the heroism of patriotic people prevailed.

Sending living waves of humans against bullets is not heroic....especially as said humans had no choice and would had been killed by the NKVD behind them!

Bobko
25 Jul 2024  #187

Yes, hahahaha.

I think Ukraine would be happy to bring its number of tanks up by 2X - even if it had to be from T-34s.

In the popular imagination of the Western civilian, Russia has been on a steady decline in terms of available tanks and guns for the war in Ukraine.

In actual fact, there has been a huge increase, but of varying quality.

That's very different from, "Russia is about to run out of everything". It's not running out, it's still gaining muscle mass.

Simple, but important point.

Also, I'm sure it won't matter to you if you were killed by a T-90, a T-72, or a T-62. It's armored, it has a gun, and it has wheels.

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #188

It's not running out, it's still gaining muscle mass.

Bs. You are brainwashed by the Kremlin propaganda. Stop it, we are`nt Russians but intelligent people and monkeys.

T-90, a T-72, or a T-62.

I mentioned T-54 which you conveniently ignored. :AmaSSing! :):):)

Novichok
25 Jul 2024  #189

Bobko, as your best friend here, let me remind you who you are dealing here with.

Those are hateful stubborn little boys who don't respond well to facts and rational arguments.

Just look at the post above...

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #190

respond well to facts .

Really, darling? I mentioned old T-54 tanks from 1940s while imperial propagandist Bobko still babbles about modern tanks. If Russia had enough modern tanks, they wouldn`t have to bring in such oldies.

So, who responds how to facts??? Ha!! :):):)

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #191

Sending living waves of humans against bullets is not heroic

Sending was not heroic. Those waves of humans were heroic. Apply more logic, please.

Bratwurst Boy
25 Jul 2024  #192

Apply more logic, please.

Jumping from a bridge because a gun pointing at your head is heroic?

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #193

a bridge

Crimean bridge??? Ukrainians will soon take it out. Two days ago they destroyed the last Russian RoRo ferry which brought supplies to Crimea.

Bobko
25 Jul 2024  #194

If Russia had enough modern tanks

Quite literally, Russia produces and refurbishes more modern tanks per year than the rest of the planet combined. Something like 1,500 machines per year.

Unfortunately, we also lose them at a rate higher than anyone on the planet.

Dear Pawian, imagine you are putting together a new formation.

1) Rifle Battalion - men with rifles. Maybe also a 82mm mortar or two.

2) Motorized Battalion - men with rifle, but also with some trucks. Maybe a few pieces of towed artillery thrown in.

3) Mechanized Battalion - men with rifles, and armored personnel carriers. More generously endowed with large caliber guns.

4) Armored Battalion - men with rifles, armored personnel carriers, tanks, and guns.

I think, it is nice to be able to give units tanks and armored vehicles, of whatever kind, rather than just leaving them naked. What do you think?

Ukraine has been standing up mostly rifle units. The majority of them can't even dream of a T-54 being attached to them for assistance.

Having a tank, even from 1950, that can move up and take apart a defensive position in a treeline with 2-3 well placed shots - is a godsend.

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #195

more modern tanks per year

Not enough to make up for the losses.

Something like 1,500 machines per year.

Only 500 tanks are produced in Russia yearly. The rest are oldies from 1940s.
While Ukrainians destroy dozens each week.........

Having a tank, even from 1950, that can move up and take apart

How long before it is destroyed by a guided missile or a simple Soviet bazooka from 1940s???

Crow
25 Jul 2024  #196

So, how I understand, Poland now forming legions with aim to destroy Russia for the sake of who knows whom. Poland is now fist of the Drang Nach Osten. Poland is the Teutonic order.

How came to this for the sake of the good God?

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #197

aim to destroy Russia

Not destroy. Quite the contrary. We look forward to 10 or even 15 Russistans instead of one Russia.

How came to this

Simple. We reject barbarians from the East. When they become civilised at last, we can talk.

Bobko
25 Jul 2024  #198

How long before it is destroyed

Again, it does not matter.

I asked you a simple question - would you rather have a tank (even a very old one), or simply no tank at all?

I insist that it is better to have a tank.

Most of Ukraine's 1 million men belong to formations that arose out of the Territorial Defense Battalions.

They have been transferred around, sometimes they have been transformed into their own brigades, and sometimes they have been cut up and split between larger and more experienced formation. However, at their essence they are rifle formations.

Without engineers, so they dig all their trenches with shovels.

Without any kind of serious artillery. Again, they usually have 1-3 82mm mortars.

Without any transport. They use mainly cars donated by civilians, or simply walk on foot.

Without armor. They cannot dream of tanks or AFVs.

With **** poor communications. They use their cell phones.

And here are you, sitting and telling me what a terrible thing a T-54 is...

Crow
25 Jul 2024  #199

Not destroy. Quite the contrary. We look forward to 10 or even 15 Russistans instead of one Russia.

Too bad rampant Duda didn`t offer that during elections but instead he pretended to be normal. Idiot would be remembered as the new Zelenski. Good thing Serbian president ignoring him and calling only Tusk to Serbia. Let us try to save what can be saved of Poland.

Simple. We reject barbarians from the East. When they become civilised at last, we can talk.

Its all in your deluded head.

Let us hope some sense still live in Poland or otherwise statehood of Poland is questioned.

pawian
25 Jul 2024  #200

And here are you

Yaaawn. This Kremlin propaganda makes me so sleepy. Sorry, but I always get up early for field work in the summer so I need to go to my matress now.

Bobko
25 Jul 2024  #201

Yaaawn

I thought so.

Miloslaw
25 Jul 2024  #202

I asked you a simple question - would you rather have a tank (even a very old one), or simply no tank at all?

In the end, it doesn't matter.The Ukrainians have the will and the knowledge, Russian troops have no will and very little knowledge.....Ukraine will win this war and Russia will be £ucked for a decade at least!What a huge, arrogant mistake by the idiot Putin!

Let us try to save what can be saved of Poland.

You really are a comedian aren't you?

Russia is incapable of beating Ukraine, Poland will me much tougher, even on their own.....impossible to beat...oh, but they are in NATO too.........

Crow
25 Jul 2024  #203

@Miloslaw

What Ukraine?

Crow
25 Jul 2024  #204

And what NATO?

Novichok
26 Jul 2024  #205

Ukraine will win this war

Define "win".

Alien
26 Jul 2024  #206

win

not to lose.

Torq
26 Jul 2024  #207

a tank, even from 1950, that can move up and take apart a defensive position in a treeline with 2-3 well placed shots

I insist that it is better to have a tank.

It is indeed good to have a tank. However, if I were to approach any sort of defensive position, I'd much rather be one of the infantrymen than a guy sitting in T-54. I was taught that average lifespan of a tank on a battlefield is around 6 minutes. That's a modern tank on a modern battlefield. Now, T-54 on a modern battlefield... yeah, I'd rather be the infantryman.

Anyways, it is also common knowledge that to achieve an offensive breakthrough the aggressor needs to have about 3:1 advantage over the defender. It's very unlikely that Russia will achieve such advantage, so in foreseeable future we will observe similar events on the front as in the last two years.

There has to be a better way out of this tangled nonsense than eternal stalemate and soldiers on both sides dying just because nobody knows how to end this. :-/

PolAmKrakow
26 Jul 2024  #208

There has to be a better way out of this tangled nonsense

Indeed. Its called a negotiated peace agreement, which Ukraine publicly states it will take no part in.

pawian
26 Jul 2024  #209

Refusal to partake in such negotiations is a;ready a part of negotiations. As a businessman you should know about it. You said you ran multiple businesses all over the world. Really??

PolAmKrakow
26 Jul 2024  #210

@pawian
Business is not war where people get killed. Yes, I have business in North America and Europe. Not negotiating in business is simply a way to not do business with someone or someones who will either increase or decrease your profitability. Not negotiating peace gets not only soldiers, but innocent people killed on both sides.

Any time you want to compare resume's, profitability, and expertise though, please let me know and we can swap CV's, and bank statements. Always the fvcktards here want to make things personal.


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