Poland's aid to Ukraine if Russia invades - part 23

@Miloslaw

Me. - well, you're British, so you hate Russia as your default factory settings
Joker. - doubt it
JR Jim - doubt it
Paulina - doubt it (she hates putinists, which is understandable)
Lenka - doubt it
Bratwurst Boy - doubt it
Alien - doubt it
CMS Neuf - he loves Russia but is in horrible case of denial about it
You - oh, you've got to be kidding me, Milo - how many times do I have to repeat that I love Russia before you people register it? Putin and his mafia of gold toilet sh*tters is a different thing altogether, but Russia - I love her with the most poetic love that a Pole can ever love her.

@Torq

You are completely nuts!Joker,JR Jim,Lenka,Paulina,Bratwurst Boy,Alien,please let Torq what you think about Russia.....and anyone else too!

@Milo

Thank you. And don't you ever forget it.

Forget what?That you are an idiot?

Why do they hate Russia?

Russia didn't open our borders and let 10 million scumbags in.

Russia didn't spend our money like fvcking idiots and created 36T of unpayable debt.

Russia didn't strip our women and girls of their dignity and privacy.

I am just warming up...Want more?

Ah, but as Prince Myshkin says: "There is something at the bottom of every new human thought, every thought of genius, or even every earnest thought that springs up in any brain, which can never be communicated to others... even if one lived a thousand years."

So perhaps I am an idiot. But if so, I'm in excellent company!

Also, I think I told you before not to try to bite me, doggie. I am above your league. Bobko, Ant or BB could try (but we're pals), Jon could (on a good day), Pawian (but he's no longer on PF) or Paulina (by mere consistent and concentrated effort ;)), but for you, British Poodle, it's mission impossible.

Yeah! When are you moving to Russia you £ucking hypocrite!

And Russia most "certainly" didn't brainwash leftists in America and turned civil disobedience as a patriotic duty as much as possible and hate for "the white man?" True true
It was the Soviet Union.

Now Russia can just benefit from all that work done since 1930's

But you don't need to believe me! :)
Just Google when and why May 1th is considered a holiday

God knows why this loser wasn't at home safely in his flat in North Lagos, probably he heard about some excellent opportunities for looting and graft near Pokrovsk.

whatever the reason it's another senior level murderer of civilians that won't be around for the victory parade

theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/03/deputy-commander-of-russian-navy-mikhail-gudkov-killed-in-strike-near-ukraine-frontline

Soviets didn't brainwash anybody in Poland. Not a single person I met in high school or WUT ever turned true commie. Some played along for benefits.

Intimidation, fear, and bribery were just temporary tools used by Polish proxies to maintain control and assure compliance.

The US did the same thing during McCarthy's days and now with the new religions of global warming, COVID, LGBT rights, and migrantism.

Question any of them and you can kiss your job and career goodbye...

Another lie you wholeheartedly believe in cause your blind to it's shenanigans.

Lot of myths were spread in Poland on Soviets wishes, need for a strong authoritarian state (eaten up like candy by most of the population. Old argument also made by the partitioning powers. Ask any PiS supporter if they disagree)

State factories and public institutions build in times of PRL that were inefficient then removed when possible created a lot of mistrust, bitterness and hatred. Similar to Thatchers actions in U.K with Coal mines. Very few Poles wanted the dockyards removed in Gdańsk, ask Torq about it if you don't believe me.

Reclaiming of "ancient Polish lands" from the Germans in 1945. Another spin off, most of it were Silesian or Pommeranian, heavily Germanised through the centuries. As it used to be west Slavic it could technically become Polish on a metaphysical plane. Same as Czech or Slovakian, but returned? Hardly, simply convenient words in a form of another lie.

"Liberating Poland" yet imprisonment of Polish youth, harassment and murder of Clergy, infiltration of Polish organisations, turning former concentration camps to prisons and torture areas, hunting down Polish partisans and not really that much wehrwolf to fight (mentioned in Sami Swoi when approaching Soviets were on way with tanks they thought Wehrwolf were burning stuff, another piece of propaganda. As in actuality they were fighting Polish resistance. Wehrwolf was insignificant in comparison).

Polish officers infiltrated by Soviet NKVD in the "Polish peoples army". Another lie meant as a rouse to fool the west and Poles in general.

Indeed, Biden was a genius but was misunderstood. Trump stole an election from Kamala. The constitution stipulates that the right to bear arms means you can buy muskets, you know, muzzleloaders, more advanced weapons - no, no!
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@Torq

This is strange to me because it's pretty much the verbatim sentence I would use to describe Poles' attitudes to Russia. I would go as far as to say hatred of Russia is a defining national characteristic.

Brits have been fairly ambivalent towards Russia in the period between the end of the Cold War and the recent Russian invasion of Ukraine. Their oligarchs and other rich boys have been running all around our society, owning football teams and buying up large swathes of expensive property in London, etc, with not a huge amount of protest/resistance. There hasn't been a massive amount of Russophobic sentiment until that odd little man decided to attack Ukraine - apart from when the Russians had the audacity to commit their political assassinations on our soil using, among other things, nuclear material. Even that, most ot us tbh just viewed with dark fascination, like some kind of Le Carre spy drama unfolding in the headlines.

But Poles - when you look at the truly expansive set of national grudges the Polish nation holds, you would be hard pressed to find another nation that Poles hold in such absolute and utter loathing as Russia. The Germans invaded them, levelled their capital, used their country as the chief location for probably the most reviled genocide in history, but Poles still really seem to hate Russians on another level entirely, on the level of an eternal blood feud - from what I can gather, this is Israel-Palestine, India-Pakistan league stuff.

Myself, I wouldn't say I hate them - I don't really hate anyone except Nazis - but I'm increasingly of the opinion that we need to pacify/de-fang them for the good of this continent.

The stereotype of Poles hating Russia probably originated in the post-WW2 Western Europe where thousands of Polish officers remained after the war. Those men were often land owners whose properties were confiscated by the communists and whose citizenship was revoked. Their personal hatred of Russia, evident in conversations with the natives, gave rise to this widespread stereotype.

As for ordinary Poles in modern Poland, the attitude before 2022 was either one of indifference or mild sympathy to a fellow Slavic nation, all mixed with a little bit of superiority towards them but it's incurable - Poles feel superior to pretty much any other nation in the world (with the possible exception of Americans). It changed after 2022, first significantly but then, with time, it all started going back to pre-SMO levels.


Sorry but that's nonsense. Some time ago I posted a series of YT links to street interviews with Poles in which they answered questions about Russians. There was sympathy, cautious interest, warm personal stories and a bit of old prejudices but absolutely nothing that even remotely resembled hatred. I'd say there is a much deeper, even if temporarily hidden, resentment towards Germany or even Ukraine (especially among the older generation) than there is towards Russia.

Even if you look at this board: of all the Poles here there is only one that I could suspect of an unusually high level of Russophobia (cms neuf), and even in his case I suspect it's more about putinist imperialism than about Russia herself.


Good luck. Just make sure you don't drag Poland into it. We already fought in one war as British allies i wystarczy.

Cut the crap and name 5 specific Soviet "lies" Polish proxies were allegedly spreading in the period from 1950 to 1966 in Polish schools and unis.

I was there...every fvcking day from the 1st grade till I got my MSEE.

So don't insult me with this "what do you know, you stupid American" attitude. I know everything about "communist Poland" because I lived there - right in the center of Warsaw - until I left at the age of 24 and a half.

No, I didn't see one Soviet soldier, one Soviet tank, one Soviet truck...No, I didn't participate in May 1 parades...Nobody even remotely suggested it to me ... or threatened...

So one more time...I love you, the Red Army, for liberating Poland and keeping it safe from Western warmongers who like killing people for "freedom and democracy" - that Western propaganda bullshlt that is worth about 10 bucks a month if it was by subscription..

Torq I would say I have no problem with North Nigeria and North Nigerians. I have visited many times and enjoyed it and was fairly successful in work. I was able to talk to them about all the normal stuff - politics, football, music, drinking etc.

Since then Poland has gone ten steps forward and NN has gone 50 steps back. To me there is no doubt that Putler is genuinely popular, that if elections were free he would probably get 50-60 percent of votes and that maybe 70 percent of NNs support the war, even when told of war crimes.

Hey, stupid, if A takes 10 in one direction and B goes 50 in the other, that's 60 step separation...so where is the conflict, Golden Moron?

Regular infantry, in this war, is only used to hold trenches, do rear work, or secure the flanks of assault formations.

They will do everything they can to avoid assaults, down to self harm, or desertion. It's not what they signed up for. In many instances, they were given assurances by recruitment staff that they would never be put in an assault position.

Men on assault get better equipment (most importantly communication equipment), specialized training, higher pay, and are typically younger and more fit.

On the penal battalion side we had two types of assault units. Storm-Z and Storm-V. Storm-Z get pardons after 6 months of service, but have a mortality rate of effectively 70%. Storm-V do not get pardons, but have to continue to serve. They are assigned less suicidal missions.

Within a regular Russian motorized rifle batallion - the assault component can be as small as platoon sized or as big as company sized. So 30-40 men, or 70-90. These are handpicked among the battalion's riflemen.

They are equipped liberally with electronic countermeasures. Trained in motorcycle or ATV tactics. And are issued specialized light weapons.

Essentially modern light cavalry.


In the Russian army of 2022 there was also a much higher proportion of servicemen who were capable of engaging in assault operations. Most of them are now dead or wounded.

You need to imagine what the quality of Polish infantry would look like in year 3 of industrialized warfare. You would be searching for assault capable men with lanterns during the day.


Do you see any Ukrainians in Kursk?

Yes, you're right. Wars are won by reservists but at some point the quality of the reservists must inevitably decrease.


So those Koreans are, after all, decent soldiers. I wonder how many of them Lil' Kim is willing to sacrifice.

... and imagine how rapidly it decreases when you are a member of the Schengen Zone - and people may travel freely. Therefore, one of the first things you will have to copy from Ukraine - in such a hypothetical scenario - is closing your borders.


Very good. Simply excellent.

I think the most important thing is that they are young, being 20-23 on average. Contrast that to the average age in the Russian army of around 38-40, or 40-45 in the Ukrainian army.

Even a very fit 40 year old, will have a hard time keeping up with a 20 year old.

The only advantage a 40 year old has, is that he can work on much less sleep than a 20 year old. But otherwise :

1) His knees are not designed for jumping from APC roofs.

2) His worn spinal discs are poorly suited for carrying 30-50 kilograms of kit for hours on end.

3) His hearing is not as finely attuned to the cracking of twigs or the rustle of leaves

4) His eyes don't see as well at night

5) Its gonna take a while to teach him how to use a joystick and how to control an FPV drone.

6) Maybe the biggest problem - cultural. It's significantly harder to shut up a 40 year old in comparison to a twenty year old. 40 year olds can be very opinionated about what you expect them to do, and about your intellectual capabilities.

Yes there are still Ukie troops in Kursk. Despite Trump's help to the Nazi NNs and the North Koreans

The rest of your sentence about penal battalions 70% mortality rates, etc. just shows how true my point about North Nigeria's steps backward is. They are determined to drag peaceful Europe back to 1942 levels of barbarism. It is essential that they are defeated and put on trial

Where? Very curious - seems you have access to classified information.

Please don't tell me you're referring to the war that began when you were invaded and we joined on your side. I would argue that was you dragging us into it, not vice versa.

Also, you fought in America's region-destabilising, refugee-crisis-creating Middle Eastern wars, which we - like you - joined out of US browbeating. You're lucky - I've lived through many terror attacks in my city of birth due to those, whereas Poland emerged largely unscathed, despite having CIA blacksites (torture centres) on your soil.

Re. war with Russia: nobody wants that and I doubt the UK will start it - it's more likely to start if Russian aggression expands beyond Ukraine. And then you'll be very glad we're on your side. In any case, until Russia is put in its place, we'll never have security on our continent, and our societies will suffer due to the increased defence spending which would otherwise go toward things that actually make life better. I just want someone to assassinate Putin, then regime change - that would be the ideal solution.

Atari, Spectrum and C-64 users are approaching 50 or even 60, and we broke many a joystick on games that required crazy dexterity!


You got that right. :)

Joined and did sweet f*ckall while Wehrmacht and Red Army rolled over Poland. Oh, and let's not forget that little bit of Albion's perfidy when you pressurised us into delaying full mobilisation in August 1939 which prevented us from reaching full operational capability when Germans invaded.


LOL

You really are historically illiterate. First you appeased Hitler in the most disgraceful manner in Munich, selling the Czechs, and then you manoeuvered us into fighting the Third Reich first (while you didn't have the slightest intention of doing what should have been done - invading Germany from the West and ending the war in 3 months). Of course, your c*nting friends the French helped you with that little plan of yours. All in all, I'd rather have sexual intercourse with a hedgehog than French and Brits as allies.


Hedgehog. Give me rather a hedgehog.


With this I won't argue.

bbc.com/news/articles/cvgepevvn47o

Ukrainians are still in Kursk. It is all over the internet.

Round up some more wretched Ugandan street cleaners and send them to evict the Ukies from NN soil. Or maybe a penal battalion of rapist scum

Imagine for yourself.

It's the third year of the war, and many officers are those that rose rapidly through the ranks.

Whether it's the Ukrainians or the Russians - you have many colonels and even generals that are in their mid 30s.

At the same time, you have rank and file personnel which are on average older than their commanders.

This leads to all sorts of misunderstanding. Some of the interviews I've come across are truly painful to read or watch. The young commanders speak with barely concealed disgust about the "material" they get to work with. The middle aged infantrymen, meanwhile, complain like old women about every single aspect of their life in a trench. As if they were writing a review on Yelp for an all-inclusive resort in Turkey.

@Torq
Ah lord, save me from more resentful Polish WW2 nonsense. Never a word against your beloved Italians and Japanese for fighting with your enemy. Never a word against the Spanish and Swiss for sitting the entire conflict out. Never a word against beloved US&A for taking a damn sight longer to join the conflict and selling weapons to both sides in the meantime. Only for the damned perfidious Angoli who declared war the moment Poland was invaded, spent years getting bombed by the Luftwaffe, and whose long-held island was the base from which D-Day could be launched. I am seriously glad that my grandfathers - Normandy landing infantry and RAF - never saw the things Poles say about our very, very large and decisive contribution and sacrifices in that war.

Aside from your sexual preferences, what is causing your emotional struggles? This issue has been resolved for quite some time. Britain and France managed to redirect Hitler's aggression from the west towards the Soviets, although it took some delays and detours. The important point is not that they succeeded, but rather why the Polish government swallowed it all hook and sinker?

*yaaaaaaaawn*


Sure.

But it doesn't mean that I have to sit here and take sh*t from some anti-Legia son of a Brit.